Japan against other Allies in WWII

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Wildman15
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I've recently begun trying to scratch the surface of WWII history. One thing I've noticed is none of the major documentaries or books I've come across is they don't talk about Japan fighting against anyone else other than the U.S.

Long story short, I've boiled it down to two main questions I'm interested in

1) Was the U.S. Japan's main enemy? Or did they fight other Allies as often as the Americans?

2) How much did Nazi Germany and Japan share with each other in terms of aid, strategy, etc?
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I'm no expert on the Pacific Theater, but I know the British were pretty heavily engaged there trying to defend their colonies. That also included British Empire members in the Pacific, e.g. Australia, India, etc. Also, China was involved since the Japanese invaded China in '36 or '37.
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There's the whole Japanese invasion and campaign in China. Some historians mark the start of WW2 with either the 1931 invasion of Manchuria or the 1937 Marco Polo Bridge incident.

Japan took it to the Britain Empire in Hong Kong, Burma, Malaya, and Singapore. Japan invaded Thailand as well, and after a brief skirmish Thailand surrendered and became an Axis ally.

Japan bombed Darwin. Australia was involved in the the Pacific theater in New Guinea and the Solomons as well as other spots.

There are some good documentaries covering a lot of the Pacific and Chinese theaters on Prime. Just search WW2 documentaries. There are some good ones covering the Eastern Front between Germany and the USSR too.
Cinco Ranch Aggie
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While not documentaries, the well-known movies Empire of the Sun and The Bridge Over the River Kwai both tell stories involving the British Empire against the Japanese. The Japanse strike against Darwin, Australia, is depicted in the movie Australia.

Everyone knows about Pearl Harbor, but what may be less well-known is that on 10-December-1941, a Japanese strike force hunted down and sank the Royal Navy's battleship, Prince of Wales, and battlecruiser, Repulse.

In the Solomons Islands, there is an area of water between Guadalcanal, Savo Island, and Florida Island known as "Iron Bottom Sound" due to the large number of ships, both Allied and Japanse, littering the sea bed. While this was largely an engagement between the USN and the IJN, there were surface combatants from other nations involved there, notably Australia and New Zealand.

Another topic to consider would be one of the coast watchers. This was men who would be stationed on remote islands to report on Japanese fleet movements moving past their stations, or rescuing downed aviators. This was an effort initiated by the Australians, and typically these men were Aussie, New Zealanders, or Pacific Islanders.

I'm sorry I don't have any specific titles to recommend, but at least this is a start for potential non-US sources in the PTO.

As for Japanese and German cooperation, the U-864 left European waters at the end of 1944 with various supplies and designs for jet aircraft bound for Japan. She never made it, having been sunk in Norwegian waters.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War

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BQ_90
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Question I've had is I know Japan and Russia skirmished some, but did Germany ever lobby Japan to attack Russia to make Russia keep more troops on the far eastern front?
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BQ_90 said:

Question I've had is I know Japan and Russia skirmished some, but did Germany ever lobby Japan to attack Russia to make Russia keep more troops on the far eastern front?
After the border skirmishes Russia (USSR) and Japan signed a Neutrality Pact. The Soviets did keep a significant force in the far east and only called them back to the German front as things deteriorated. I'm no expert, but from what I read Germany did request Japan to attack or invade Russia, but the Japanese ignored or put conditions on support that Germany could not meet.

Then after Germany surrendered the Soviets strung Japan along for a couple of months as Japan had asked them to negotiate for peace on their behalf w/ the Allies. Then they surprised Japan by declaring war on them and invading Japanese held territory the next day.
Wildman15
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Thanks for the input! In my passive research, it just seems like the Pacific theater is summed up into a few parts: Pearl Harbor, Midway, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and then the nuclear bombs. The European theater seems to get a lot more focus.
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Big hand/little map summary:

- war in the Pacific started with Japan attacking China. You can mark this in 1931 with the occupation of Manchura, or 1937 with the Marco Polo Bridge incident. Japan subsequently occupies much of coastal China.

- after the fall of France, Japan occupies (Vichy) French Indochina (Vietnam-Laos-Cambodia). This leads, in the summer of 1941, to an oil embrago on Japan by the U.S.. American oil is critical to Japan's war effort, since they have almost none of their own.

- Japan determines to seize an alternate source of oil, the Dutch East Indies. But the shipping lanes from Borneo to Japan can be interdicted from the U.S. territory of the Philippines. So Japan decides to invade the Philippines, after first neutralizing the U.S. Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor. You know what happened after that.

In order to further secure what they called the Southern Resource Area, Japan attacks the British in Malaya and Singapore, and then drives the British out of Burma and sits at the doorstep of India. (This also cut the Burma Road by which aid was provided to China). They also drive further south to New Guinea and the Solomons.

The threat to Australia leads to the recall of Australian troops fighting as part of the British army in Egypt. This is probably the most significant assistance Japan gave to Germany and Italy.

Most Aussie and New Zealand forces in the Pacific fought in the Solomons, New Guinea, and Borneo areas, in conjuction with U.S. efforts in those areas.

After the fall of the Dutch East Indies, the Dutch had little or no role.

China was incapable of doing much, other than tying down Japanese troops on occupation duty.

The British fought major campaigns against the Japanese army from India, mostly with Indian troops. In late 1944 and then 1945, they drove the Japanese out of Burma, and were preparing to invade Malaya in the fall of 1945. The British army in India was commanded by General William Slim, who was probably England's best general of the war.

The Russians invaded Manchuria on Aug 9, 1945, hours before the second A-bomb dropped on Nagasaki.

The reason none of the other allies receive much attention, especially in American historical literature, is that, even as large as Slim's battles in India and Burma were, they played very little role in deciding the outcome of the war. The only Allied effort that had any real impact on pushing Japan to surrender was the Russians.
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In 1939 Japan's Kwantung Army got its *** kicked by a Soviet Army in Mongolia under the command of Zhukov. Japan never tried to attack Russia again ...

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Cinco Ranch Aggie
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Wildman15 said:

Thanks for the input! In my passive research, it just seems like the Pacific theater is summed up into a few parts: Pearl Harbor, Midway, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and then the nuclear bombs. The European theater seems to get a lot more focus.
There is so much more than these events. And it's not all just focused on the US efforts, although I'd say that the PTO was primarily about the Japanese versus the United States. Even though one non-descript island may look like all other non-descript islands, I'd suggest that reading about the various island battles would be a good start as well. Places like Wake Island, Guam (it won't tip over), Peleliu, Tarawa, and of course Okinawa. And don't forget about the Aleutians, with the islands of Kiska and Attu being the only US territory that the Japanese occupied during the war.

I think if you look at any TexAgs discussion of the HBO mini-series Band of Brothers versus The Pacific, you can understand why your last statement is true. BoB is a more connected, tighter story that follows a group of guys from beginning to end, whereas The Pacific seems much more disjointed simply because it follows 3 guys who mostly do not interact, and the action hops from one island to another with no seeming coherence (to the average viewer). I actually like The Pacific better, but only because I've always favored the PTO over the ETO since I can first remember reading about WWII.
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OP, check out Dan Carlin's "Supernova in the East" podcast. Great into into Japan and the start of PTO.

Also check out Mark Felton for a very obscure Japan vs Italy video.
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Another topic to consider would be one of the coast watchers. This was men who would be stationed on remote islands to report on Japanese fleet movements moving past their stations, or rescuing downed aviators. This was an effort initiated by the Australians, and typically these men were Aussie, New Zealanders, or Pacific Islanders.

Here is a serious recommendation:

There is a movie with Cary Grant and Leslie Caron called Father Goose, set in the Pacific in WWII. Grant plays a reclusive American who is upset at being drafted for duty as a coast watcher by the Australian Navy. Grant's character has chosen to live on an obscure island to escape the academic rat race (he used to be a history prof) and is very familiar with the area. He is also very fond of whiskey.

It's a pretty funny, well-made romantic comedy. I first saw it at The Grove in the second summer session 1970, after my six weeks at Camp Eagle, Fort Sill, OK.
RGV AG
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That is my all time favorite movie, don't know why but I have liked it since I was a kid. Made me a Cary Grant fan. He plays that part excellently.
OldArmy71
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He does play it well! It's a perfect role for him. He has some great lines: "Ah, coconut milk! Young coconuts must love it!"

The supporting cast who play the Aussies are terrific as well, particularly Trevor Howard.

Leslie Caron was an odd choice and not my favorite actress, but she does well here.



Now THAT'S a thread derail!
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Ah yes the Dutch......

The largest singular surrender event in the history of the British Army took place when they surrendered an entire army to the Japanese in Singapore. Not only do you have the Prince of Wales and the Repulse but also have the Battle of Ceylon.. All strictly IJN vs RN.
Maximus_Meridius
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Wow, I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Need to drag it out and force the wife to watch it (she doesn't like older movies for some reason).
OldArmy71
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The Aussie Navy guy has hidden whiskey around the island to bribe Walter into reporting Jap movements.
jkag89
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Dang, beat me to it. One of my favorite lesser known Grant movies.
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