German Home Movies of Eastern Front

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Started down a YouTube rabbit hole of German Home movies of WWII.

These are fascinating videos. Of course, we mostly see German soldiers in very scripted documentaries. For example, if you notice in the German documentaries about the West Front, the German troops are generally filmed moving right to left, and in the German documentaries about the Eastern Front, they are shown moving left to right. So to the German audiences, they're always "advancing." The newsreels are all 100 percent propaganda, and don't really show you an accurate picture of the war.

German Soldier's Private film footage from the Eastern Front -1941


This is a German soldier's private footage from the Eastern Front. This of course would never have been shown in Germany, and probably sat in a can undeveloped for decades after the war. I just typed up some notes while I watched. Here you go. Let me know of anything cool I missed.

The first 5-10 minutes is in Ptuj, Slovenia, which I identified by the fact that the Germans made a new sign with the Germanified name Pettau (Everything in old East Prussia/Austro Hungarian empire has an historic German name that they usually slapped on it as they marched in. Osweicm becomes Auschwitz for example). There is another town I can't place, but probably also Slovenia. Because it doesn't look like crap and Slovenia is the only place in Eastern Europe that doesn't look like crap. This dates this to probably May/June 1941 shortly after the German invasion of Yugoslavia. Fits with summer.

Lots of great pics of German troops playing sports and horseing around. Cool Stuka buzzing a soccer match. Training exercises, etc. Note the white or light colored uniforms. Never seen that before, and no, it's not snow gear.
Then they take a train presumably East, see actual evidence of fighting. Knocked out tanks. Some really unusual tanks I've never seen before.

At 15:22, there's a sign with Cyrillic lettering. I'm no expert, but it seems to be numbers, not actual letters. Someone check that. Looks like possibly a Ukranian flag on one side and a Nazi flag on the other. Underneath the sign, It says Heil Hitler.

More guys marching, just being guys. The comraderie and horseplay is pretty much the same in all military outfits. (I even experienced it in Aggie Bonfire cut, which was a quasi-military experience).

At 20:01, that it appears to be an officer (followed a few seconds later by more men) of the Italian Expeditionary Corps in Russia, something you don't hear much of. This suggests this is August or later in 1941 in Southern Ukraine.

22:00 Cool river crossings. Check out the engine on that boat.
25:00 Soviet prisoners.

At 26:53, sign. Translation: "Who blocks the roads, blocks ammunition!
Stopping point
Passing or stopping for the next 10 KM is strongly prohibited. Single file for vehicles."
On the left of the sign it says 16 km to the bridge.
At the bottom, there is a picture of a bear with a crown on it with an arrow. The bear with the crown is the symbol of Berlin.

29:18 SNOW! Oh crap! This must be around October 1941.
30:00 Funerals for several soldiers. one cross is shown Franz Roeder. Can't make out the date, but it looks to be ??.12.1941, which woudl be December.

One thing you notice is how little actual fighting there is. Based on my own experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, you put the damn camera down if bad crap happens. But even so, it's pretty clear they went really long stretches without actual fighting, which is true based on what we know of the Eastern front, but often forgotten in the popular conception.
32:24 The sign on the building is "Soldatenheim" which means soldier's home. Kind of a USO for German troops. This is in a very big city. Don't think it's Kiev, or he would have taken shots of the nicer architecture.
35:29 Sign on train car says "Wehrmacht property." Lists the trains on the line from Przemysl, which is in Poland to Cottbus. Goerlizer Bahnhof is one of the train stations in Berlin.
35:00 presuming its still chronological, they're in the spring of 42. Pretty spartan transport
36:50 nice Fiesler Storch
38:54. That is a ****e Wulf 189 observation plane. Kind of looks like a German P-38, except it was basically useless in combat.
The more you watch this, the more you realize just how huge the Soviet Union is.
40:57 Bf-110
41:10 More Russian POWs
You hear about how dependent Germany was on horses, and if you just went by newsreels, you'd think that's exaggerated, that they only needed horses at the end. But no, they're dependent on horses the whole way through.
43:00 This series starts with a car pulling up with what looks like a Ukranian flag. Then you see some folks escorting a senior officer in a light colored uniform. I wonder if this is a Ukranian or White Russian collaboratist general.
48:40 Looks like we're in Operation Blue, late summer/early fall 1942 trying to capture the Caucausus oilfields These are likely Azeris. The musical instrument the guy is playing is probably a Zurna. Looks like a great big "Communism is over" party going on.

The film kind of ends with a peaceful local harvest of grain. Probably that was the last good moment, because within a few weeks this army was transfered to a place called Stalingrad. Horst the photographer and his friends probably didn't do much pleasure filming after that.

I see more of these sort of videos. If y'all like, I can post more.

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I see the nazis didn't have that stupid 'hands in pocket' rule we've had to put up with for at least the past few decades. Interesting, they do seem very human in this footage. Thx.
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Thanks...noticed the same Popov Archive on YouTube has additional old WW2 home movies
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One constant that is shown all through the film and you will see all the way through 1945

Horses.

One of the primary reasons they lost the war.


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You hear about how dependent Germany was on horses, and if you just went by newsreels, you'd think that's exaggerated, that they only needed horses at the end. But no, they're dependent on horses the whole way through.
German propaganda never would show troops in their films in anything but motorized vehicles.

But as stated they relied on carts and horse for supply movement and troops had to walk. Which is backed up in the video, almost every time you see the troops relaxing they have their boots off. Early on they even show dr or medic treating blisters

Also looks like further east they went the locals didn't have quit the excited look on their faces, as if they knew they would get killed either by the Germans or latter on by their own country.
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Rabid Cougar said:

One constant that is shown all through the film and you will see all the way through 1945

Horses.

One of the primary reasons they lost the war.



And yet they kept building these monster tanks that took large sums of fuel to operate.
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BQ_90 said:

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You hear about how dependent Germany was on horses, and if you just went by newsreels, you'd think that's exaggerated, that they only needed horses at the end. But no, they're dependent on horses the whole way through.
German propaganda never would show troops in their films in anything but motorized vehicles.

But as stated they relied on carts and horse for supply movement and troops had to walk. Which is backed up in the video, almost every time you see the troops relaxing they have their boots off. Early on they even show dr or medic treating blisters

Also looks like further east they went the locals didn't have quit the excited look on their faces, as if they knew they would get killed either by the Germans or latter on by their own country.
Something like 3 Million horses and mules utilized during the war. 750,000 died.

10,000 horses a month for 6 years. 12,000 were eaten at Stalingrad alone.
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the front was what, 2100 miles long?

the germans attacked with somewhere in the ball park of 3000 tanks and planes, for over 2 million men, IIRC. it really was still ww1 on steroids at that point. the soviets were over 3-1 in men, 5-1 in tanks and planes, etc.

germany did not mobilze for real war until late 42.

great videos.
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oh, and please do post more. i'll watch out of sheer curiousity.
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One constant that is shown all through the film and you will see all the way through 1945

Horses.

One of the primary reasons they lost the war.
Except you miss an important point. Until we came into the war, EVERYBODY was dependent on horses. The Soviets didn't even have a whole bunch of those.

So against the enemy they were fighting here, the horses didn't seem like that big of a liability. Even when the Soviets built a ton of tanks, they still suffered from the same thing the Germans suffered from, which is transport for their infantry. It was lend-lease trucks from the US that solved that problem for them.
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Here's another one, this time in color:

With camera on the Eastern Front Part 1 of 3.


Start off, lots of guys in white uniforms, kind of like the other video. Carrying shovels. Reichsarbeitsdeinst possibly?
Guys with Nazi armbands, but unusual, almost Yugoslav-looking hats inspecting troops. German allies?

1:10 Map of their route, starting in Freiburg, into Southern Poland.
2:01 Leaving the Freiburg train station.
This one has nice title pages showing you where they are.
2:40 Church in Radom, Poland. Google it, looks the same.
3:34 Translation: Our camp in Kazimierz.
4:45. Getting K98s. Guess no longer just laborers now.
4:57 Sonnenwendfeuer. It's a bonfire for Summer Solstice.
6:00 Maybe they went back to Germany, but that looks like a brand spanking new Autobahn. But back in Poland for the next scene. Odd.
7:05 Warsaw main train station.
7:30 Lots of Warsaw bombing damage.
9:52 The Schlieffen Kaserne (Schlieffen Barracks). Named after Count Von Schlieffen, the guy who came up with the famous Schlieffen Plan. This is in Lueneburg. The base is no longer there, but there is another German Army base there now. I suspect this is the same site, just renamed.
10:27. Looks like our Labor service guys are becoming armored car drivers. Now that you have Poles to do all the digging, makes sense.
11:54 My God, it's Sergeant Schultz on a motorcycle!
12:15 This is Dresden. BEFORE the bombing. Wow. The big palace looking thing has been rebuilt.
18:12. Start of Barbarossa.
20:36 Russian POWs.
21:52 Fiesler Storch
22:50 More Russian POWs.
24:22 Stukas
29:55 Pamphlet. The German says: "German Soldiers! This pamphlet addresses the Russian population and contains the instructions to obey the instructions of the German army without conditions. Who defise this, will be shot." So much for not knowing about war crimes. The guy even zooms in on it.
31:20 Getting Iron Crosses. Looks like he ran out of color film.
33:05 War crimes alert: "These Jews attacked the Wehrmacht." Looks like two are women.
36:53 Grenade fishing.
37:46 Looks like a downed Mig-3
38:10 Possibly downed Pe-2 bomber.
45:25 Stuka.

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aalan94 said:

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One constant that is shown all through the film and you will see all the way through 1945

Horses.

One of the primary reasons they lost the war.
Except you miss an important point. Until we came into the war, EVERYBODY was dependent on horses. The Soviets didn't even have a whole bunch of those.

So against the enemy they were fighting here, the horses didn't seem like that big of a liability. Even when the Soviets built a ton of tanks, they still suffered from the same thing the Germans suffered from, which is transport for their infantry. It was lend-lease trucks from the US that solved that problem for them
Correct, Russian and Germans were very dependent but not everybody.

The British Army was 100% mechanized in 1939. There was not a single horse drawn vehicle in the BEF in 1940.

The French Army was far more mechanized than the Germans in 1939-1940

Sidebar:
My grandfather was in 5th Cavalry at this time. Their supply train was made up of trucks. They even hauled their horses in trucks/horse trailers for long distance transport. I have photographs of them on maneuvers in West Texas. Horses marching single file along the road with trucks bringing up the rear.

Note : All the above did utilize mules and horses for logistics in specialized units such a Mountain Troops and in Jungle warfare.
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SS and Luftwaffe troops surrender 1945

What is crazy here is the interaction between SS and US troops.
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Rabid Cougar said:

SS and Luftwaffe troops surrender 1945

What is crazy here is the interaction between SS and US troops.
what is crazy about it?
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BQ_90 said:

Rabid Cougar said:

SS and Luftwaffe troops surrender 1945

What is crazy here is the interaction between SS and US troops.
what is crazy about it?
If you read some books/listen to stories it seemed like they shot every SS soldier on site. Looks pretty civil to me ala the "hunting season closed" sign in the other film.

Its neat to see all the equipment /vehicles. The mechanized AAA looks to be a Luftwaffe unit.
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Rabid Cougar said:

BQ_90 said:

Rabid Cougar said:

SS and Luftwaffe troops surrender 1945

What is crazy here is the interaction between SS and US troops.
what is crazy about it?
If you read some books/listen to stories it seemed like they shot every SS soldier on site. Looks pretty civil to me ala the "hunting season closed" sign in the other film.

Its neat to see all the equipment /vehicles. The mechanized AAA looks to be a Luftwaffe unit.
guess i've never heard that, not at the end of the war. I know I've read stuff on SS troops firing panzerfaust at a tank, then surrendering, then the allied troops would shoot them.
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Rabid Cougar said:

SS and Luftwaffe troops surrender 1945

What is crazy here is the interaction between SS and US troops.

At about 3-4 minutes in or so, there is a bridge, with a sign "Limit of Advance of US Troops". It's lined with civilians watching, and there is a stream of German vehicles and troops crossing the bridge.

I assume the "limit" is the border between American and Russian-held territory, and the Germans you see are hauling @$$ to get to American territory?

The civilians just came out to watch the spectacle?
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My father-in-law was on the Elbe River when all that was going on, he was in the Recon Company of a TD outfit. He said they actually crossed the river and went from one bridge to another through the Soviet sector. They never saw any Soviets but plenty of refugees. After they got back to the US side of the Elbe, they stopped the refugees from crossing and blew both bridges. He said that didn't stop them from trying to swim the river to get to the west.
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Rabid Cougar said:

BQ_90 said:

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You hear about how dependent Germany was on horses, and if you just went by newsreels, you'd think that's exaggerated, that they only needed horses at the end. But no, they're dependent on horses the whole way through.
German propaganda never would show troops in their films in anything but motorized vehicles.

But as stated they relied on carts and horse for supply movement and troops had to walk. Which is backed up in the video, almost every time you see the troops relaxing they have their boots off. Early on they even show dr or medic treating blisters

Also looks like further east they went the locals didn't have quit the excited look on their faces, as if they knew they would get killed either by the Germans or latter on by their own country.
Something like 3 Million horses and mules utilized during the war. 750,000 died.

10,000 horses a month for 6 years. 12,000 were eaten at Stalingrad alone.
How would those numbers compare to horse utilization and death in the War between the State's 75 years earlier?
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Did the Germans not really smoke or did they lose the tobacco imports at the start of the war? Saw very little if any smoking. Granted I have not watched all of the movies.

I recall lots of smoking with US videos. Was it just an American thing?

Random question. But interesting

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My dad and uncles cigarettes came with their c rations
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Thanks for posting. Don't have time to watch currently, but will put it on my to-do list for this weekend. And please do share more.

Impressed that you are identifying obscure warbirds and that you referred to the -110 with the correct Bf designation (for
which yes, I had to look up because there was no way I was going to spell that right) rather than the commonly mis-used Me for Messerschmitt.
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XUSCR said:

Rabid Cougar said:

BQ_90 said:

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You hear about how dependent Germany was on horses, and if you just went by newsreels, you'd think that's exaggerated, that they only needed horses at the end. But no, they're dependent on horses the whole way through.
German propaganda never would show troops in their films in anything but motorized vehicles.

But as stated they relied on carts and horse for supply movement and troops had to walk. Which is backed up in the video, almost every time you see the troops relaxing they have their boots off. Early on they even show dr or medic treating blisters

Also looks like further east they went the locals didn't have quit the excited look on their faces, as if they knew they would get killed either by the Germans or latter on by their own country.
Something like 3 Million horses and mules utilized during the war. 750,000 died.

10,000 horses a month for 6 years. 12,000 were eaten at Stalingrad alone.
How would those numbers compare to horse utilization and death in the War between the State's 75 years earlier?
That's just the German numbers....

ACW numbers- estimated 3 Million animals - 36% greater than the total number of soldiers on both sides combined. Estimated 50% mortality.

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12:15 This is Dresden. BEFORE the bombing. Wow. The big palace looking thing has been rebuilt.
I believe you are seeing is a large Lutheran church called the Frauenkirche (Church of Our Lady). It was only a shell after the Feb 1945 bombing and rebuilt around the 2005-6 timeframe. Interesting story how the locals stored the stones from the bombing until enough money was raised to rebuilt it. I visited the site about 10 yrs ago and it has a salt & pepper appearance because of the charred stones. There is also a story that a son of one of the British bomber pilots helped build a new cross for the top of the cupola.
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Thanks
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This looks like Army Group Center...or maybe Army Group North...the heavy forests..the mud..the villages.

unlike Army Group South, it was slow going through the marshland and woods....and the Partisan Activity was heavy. there were thousands of Red Army soldiers who were cut off from their units...deserted...or in some cases escaped from the Germans. word got out quickly about how hideous the German treatment of POWs was. add in the displaced non-combatants...many of them Jewish....and it all took on a critical mass of its own.

the Germans vs the Partisans....mainly in Belarus...parts of the Ukraine...was a war in itself...

goggle "Operation Cottbus".
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rackmonster said:

This looks like Army Group Center...or maybe Army Group North...the heavy forests..the mud..the villages.

goggle "Operation Cottbus".
SS Oberfuhrer Oskar Dirlewanger and his SS brigade come to mind

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Cen-Tex said:

rackmonster said:

This looks like Army Group Center...or maybe Army Group North...the heavy forests..the mud..the villages.

goggle "Operation Cottbus".
SS Oberfuhrer Oskar Dirlewanger and his SS brigade come to mind


A few years ago, the Russians made a movie about this subject....."COME AND SEE".
you can find it on YouTube with English subtitles.
In the summer of 1944, the Red Army launched Operation Bagration ( bag-rat-eon). It was a massive offensive to tear the heart out of the German Army, Army Group Center...and it was overwhelmingly successful.
The Germans, needing "all hands on deck" sent Dirlewanger and his drunken thugs to the front. They turned out to be so inept, so drunk, so wasteful of ammo, and much more of a danger to the Germans than the Red Army, they quickly got them the hell out of there.
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Here's one floating around the imageboards that keeps getting struck on youtube for "hateful conduct" or something, not fully amateur but thought I share it:
https://streamable.com/c800q9
If anyone can write the (German?) lyrics that'd be great. I'm pretty sure this video came out of Ylilauta (Finnish 4chan).
Interesting bits:
0:17 - German forces crossing the Don.
3:38 Sd.Kfz 142/2 I think. Rare vehicle sighting, only 12-13 built. Note the triangular gun mantlet and the three wheels on the top of the track in the next cut.
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