Greatest Generation- the ones I knew

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Sometimes when it's quiet, I think a lot about the folks that influenced my life. How different they viewed what was important in life.

Quiet little white haired man that shared our pew in church was in First Marine Division.

His youth was spent in Guadacanal. New Britain. Peleliu.

In Guadacanal, an artillery (naval gunfire?) shock wave blew him over a truck hood. Was almost deaf and bleeding from the ears. They found him another rifle and put him back in the line, told him he only needed to see Japanese, not hear them.

Peleliu injuries sent him to the states for the duration of the war to recover.

His son is in my Sunday school class. He shared he rented Saving Private Ryan. They didn't get past first 30 seconds. Seeing troops riding in on Higgins Boats was too much for him to watch.

Another little quiet smiling man & his wife sat behind us in Church.
In 1944, he was 18 and a senior in a Panhandle high school- he got drafted.
Spent his Senior year fighting in Belgium and Germany. He still cries about some Belgium girls that ran for safety and machine guns saw movement & cut them down. He tried first aid but was too much.

When discharged, he went back home, and finished High School along with 3 other veterans. Can you imagine sitting in high school with a combat veteran?

My dad was a WW2 vet. Served the war in Liberty Ship engine rooms. Was in the Philippine Invasions.
I read the exploits of Taffy-3 with a different perspective, thinking of my 19 year old dad, in a big fat target swinging at anchor. Shortly after VE Day he was in Norway and traded cigarettes for a Luger and binoculars, both which I now have.

My dad's brother made the trip walking across Western Europe with the Army. He died shortly after WW2 so I never got to know him. I have some of his mementos, some German postcards from Heidelburg, some Hitler postage stamps. I have a photo of him and my dad, they were able to meet up in New York City after VJ Day and have a drink together. Celebrating being alive and to the future.

My aunt's husband was a coxswain at Omaha Beach. I regret I never heard any of his stories.

My dad's sister heat treated 90mm AA gun barrels at Dixon Gun Works in Houston. At 19 years old, her and several of her friends left their farms and went to the city to work in war plants. All lived together in a rooming house. She could tell you in exacting detail all the steps it take to make a cannon, especially the steps in heat treating. After the war, she got married and became a rural mail carrier-something more appropriate for a young girl.

Each year on Nov 11, Armistice Day, day she put flowers on my grandpa's grave and also on her boyfriend's grave. He was in a B24 in the Ploesti raids and didn't make it home. My aunt said they buried an empty coffin.

My friend's dads all served, one was a B17 mechanic with the 8th, the other was a P38 pilot in the Pacific.
I had a HS teacher that was a tanker with Patton, he loved telling just the funny stories..

Another teacher was a driver with he Red Ball Express. He told us in High School about his convoy driving into a German ambush and seeing his good friend get shot and killed- and later finding his friend alive after the war- German medics had kept his friend alive which is notable since these were black soldiers.

The old man that owned the farm next door was a tank mechanic, trained as a loader. During the battle of Carentan he was pressed into service, the loader had an appendix attack. He said they lasted about 5 minutes in combat, never fired a shot, German anti-tank gun hit them, killed the tank commander and gunner. He said he woke up in a hospital in England. After the war, he never missed a reunion.

Both my grandfathers were in WW1 serving in France. One in Infantry, one in Artillery. I still have my paternal grandfather's infantry company photo taken in Metz, France.

I watched Jeopardy today. The contestants struggled to answer the WW2 category questions, mostly had no idea. It made me sad that my generation didn't honor the sacrifices and memories and teach the young ones.
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Great post. Seems like the Greatest Generation were a different breed
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I watched Jeopardy today. The contestants struggled to answer the WW2 category questions, mostly had no idea. It made me sad that my generation didn't honor the sacrifices and memories and teach the young ones.
That was indeed sad, no one chimed in on the question about what country was invaded in September 1939 and two of them got the wrong answer on what Axis capital Doolittle bombed in 1942. Pretty sad. Meanwhile my 5th grade grandson watching it with me aced that category. Guess going to the Nimitz Museum for spring break helped.

I'm old enough to have known many veterans of the war and still have one friend who was sent to Europe as the war ended when he was 18. The others have all passed on now: my father-in-law was in the tank destroyers and lost his signed Betty Grable picture the day the Battle of the Bulge began. Ed Bearss was a marine raider and shot to hell at Cape Glouster. His best buddy from their long stay together in the Navy hospital in San Diego, Mac Mackenzie was with the 1st Marines (he hated rice the rest of his life after Guadalcanal and still agonized over if he needed to shoot the Japanese soldier who stood in his foxhole with his rifle in his hands but wouldn't drop it after getting shelled on New Guinea), Mac's wife Flo who was a nurse who met him in Australia when he was evacuated for Beri Beri, my friends father-in-law who was a PBY pilot, Charlie Bond an Aggie with the Flying Tigers. My list could go on and on but the common denominator of all them were they were terrific people.
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I watched Jeopardy today. The contestants struggled to answer the WW2 category questions, mostly had no idea. It made me sad that my generation didn't honor the sacrifices and memories and teach the young ones.
Go figure. A large majority of kids nowadays can't even name their father.
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I watched Jeopardy today. The contestants struggled to answer the WW2 category questions, mostly had no idea. It made me sad that my generation didn't honor the sacrifices and memories and teach the young ones.
Go figure. A large majority of kids nowadays can't even name their father.

Huh?
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A classmate's father was in the Bataan death march. He was an Aggie and a great man who died too young because of the experience. It took such a toll on his body.
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This is a great thread for this board!

Both of my grandfathers served in the US Navy. My mom's dad has a disputed story. The story I was told at his funeral (he only once spoke to me about his time in the war, and that conversation had nothing to do with his actual experiences but rather the impact it had on him in his life*) was that he had survived not one, but two ships being sunk while he was aboard. This was the story my aunt told me, but it was my mom who disputed it. In recent years, I've found out that my grandfather served aboard some type of sea-borne repair ship. I can't recall the actual designation of the ship type, and knowing next to nothing about this type of vessel, I can't say if that would have been a tempting target for Jap subs (probably it would be). My uncle, born in the 50s, really has had nothing to say on this story, so it comes down which story I choose to believe. I'm going with my aunt's story.

My dad's dad had been in the US Army in the 30s. From what I was told, he got an honorable discharge well before the war ended, but when Pearl Harbor came, he re-enlisted this time with the Navy. While there is no dispute, the story I heard about his service, again at his funeral, was that he had been on an aircraft carrier (unknown which one) where he was a tail gunner aboard a TBF Avenger, the same aircraft that George HW Bush flew. But I've never been able to verify this story, other than he was in both the Army and the Navy.

My dad had two uncles that served. I was lucky enough to know both. The one who lived in Harlingen had some role in the US AAC, but I've never learned what it was. I do know that he was active with the Confederate Air Force when it was headquartered down there. The other uncle had jumped out of a perfectly good C-47 in the late night hours of 6-June 1944 over Northern France, commonly known as D-Day (a term that, while true, should apply to any invasion conducted throughout the war, not just that particularly monumental one).

My wife's grandfather was a mechanic of some sort for the 26th PRS (photo recon squadron) in the South Pacific. The squadron flew F-5E Lightnings (otherwise known as a P-38). I actually know much more about his service than I do my own grandfathers. They operated in Australia, New Guinea, the East Indies, and Okinawa. This is their insignia:

After the war, the squadron moved to Korea, where he stayed into 1946 before he got to come home.

A few years ago, my Dad's health was going down hill, with the result being he had to move into an assisted living facility. At this place, I had the pleasure of meeting a couple of WWII vets. One man, roughly 95 years old and very nearly 20 years older than my dad, had been in Europe, where he recounted a story of being in a vehicle convoy when they were spotted by a flight of Bf109s. The Messerschmitts were attacking an armed convoy, however, and this fellow had manned one of the AA units that was on a truck and shot the mofo down. The other person I met was a tiny woman. I never would have guessed what her story would be - she was literally a Rosie the Riveter. Her diminutive size had made her a perfect fit to get into tight spots while building B-24 Liberators in Ft. Worth.

* I'm pretty sure I've shared this conversation on this board in the past, but to recount, I had just graduated from A&M and had purchased a Toyota Camry. I had gone to visit family in my home town, and had parked my new Toyota in his driveway. He told me very matter-of-factly that I would never do that again. After I moved my car to the street, I sat with him and got him to talk to me. This was in 1991, so ~50 years after, he still harbored hatred for the Japs for the time with his young daughters (my mom born in Sep 41 and my aunt, in 43 or 44) that they took from him. I then asked him that had he been sent to Europe (there is a lot of German in my family's heritage), would he have harbored similar feelings toward all things German; he said he thought he would have.
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I have a few pictures to share:

My mom's dad, Charles:


My dad's dad, Earl:


My wife's granddad, Duward:

Duward with his F-5 (with his new bride's name on the nose):
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Veterans Day 1998 was a Wednesday

Attending the Kingwood church of Christ men's class and there was Max Gamble, WWII pilot of those big sea planes used in the Pacific.

After class I turned to Max and told him that on this veterans day I appreciated all that he did during WWII, and then I walked away.

The next Wednesday night I missed class and after 8pm my phone started ringing from friends on the class. I figured they were calling to ask why I missed class but they shared a story that was of interest

During the class Max broke down and cried while telling everyone that when Abattbq87 told him thanks for your service, it meant a lot because NO ONE had ever thanked him in the 53 years since the war ended.

Words of appreciation can make a difference in someone's life
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Great post. I've gone out of my way to raise my girls to really appreciate our veterans and show them the respect and gratitude they deserve. One especially awesome moment was when we met a cool WWII vet having lunch by himself and got to chat with him and found out his 95th birthday was approaching.



We got the idea of organizing a "little" drive by parade for him outside of his retirement home and he was totally blown away by it. I was so glad we were able to make this old hero's day.



I'll consider it mission successful if my girls grow up putting these people on a pedental instead of pop stars and athletes.
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icrymyselftosleep said:

Cen-Tex said:

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I watched Jeopardy today. The contestants struggled to answer the WW2 category questions, mostly had no idea. It made me sad that my generation didn't honor the sacrifices and memories and teach the young ones.
Go figure. A large majority of kids nowadays can't even name their father.

Huh?





You heard him right
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Both of my grand-dads served during WW2. Paternal was a gunners mate on the Alabama. Maternal was in the coastguard. Paternal grandmom worked in some sort of military garment manufacturing as a seamstress during the war. Great uncles were all either army navy or marines. None of them talked very much about their service and I was too young to have the foresight to try and find out more.
To a person all of them were grounded and frugal and moral people.
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Bucketrunner said:

A classmate's father was in the Bataan death march. He was an Aggie and a great man who died too young because of the experience. It took such a toll on his body.
Relative's GF died after the Bataan Death March in prison camp!

Met a lady who had her German prison camp Tattoo on her left arm! Didn't ask her about her camp experience.
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Although I'm not fond of the "Greatest Generation" label, I was grateful to meet a number of men who served in WW2. Just nice men who were always friendly and cared about people in the community.

Then there was my paternal grandfather who served in the navy during WW2. He ended up getting married five times and basically abandoned every family he had. A real POS although it is impressive that he convinced 5 women to marry him.

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tmaggies said:

icrymyselftosleep said:

Cen-Tex said:

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I watched Jeopardy today. The contestants struggled to answer the WW2 category questions, mostly had no idea. It made me sad that my generation didn't honor the sacrifices and memories and teach the young ones.
Go figure. A large majority of kids nowadays can't even name their father.

Huh?





You heard him right


This is how threads get derailed.
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That I personally knew:
Both grandfathers; maternal - ETO ( 42nd Inf. Div.) paternal- CBI attached to Brit. Army.
Paternal great aunt - WASP.
Paternal great uncle - Merchant Marine
Paternal distant cousin - AAA gunner on Lexington.
Maternal great uncles both Marines in PTO
Maternal great uncle by marriage PTO (1st Cav.)

Have to mention great grandfather - WWI - France- 1918. .
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Growing up, my friends dad was a WW2 vet. I knew he was shot down and survived a POW camp. When he was shot down he spoke perfect german but couldn't name his outfit as I remember. When I was young we actually met up with them in Germany when he was there to revisit some old sites.
I found out later he was not only in the camp where the great escape happened, he helped get rid of the dirt, and it was his trombone that was the top of the still in the movie.
He came home, and was an anesthesiologist for many years, lived a comfortable life.

Looking back, I so wish I had the maturity as a kid to recognize how amazing it all was ask him about those years (if he was willing to talk about it). Such a remarkable story I never got to hear.
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Great post:
I had two uncles that fought in WWII.....one was a forward observer in Patton's Tank Division and was awarded a silver star. (NEVER talked about it)....other one was in the Navy and was in the Battle of Midway.
Knew several other WWII veterans in my community and in my church. All were pillars of both the community and the church....quiet men, who rarely shared stories about their experiences. One of my favorites was at Dday and the Battle of the Bulge. He was a small man and very quiet....led by example. After 9/11 we had a small convenience store in town owned by someone from let's say a middle eastern country. One day the owner denied service to an American soldier dressed in uniform and when this veteran found out....he went in and "chewed" the owner out! Word spread across town and the boycott was on....the owner sold and left town shortly after.

My dad was a Staff Sgt. in the Marines during the Korean War. After playing two years of college basketball he left to join rather than be drafted. (Later returned and finished school and had a great career in Education, coaching, was a principal and a Supt. for 19 years)....He was in charge of a two gun crew and was constantly in action. His best friend was killed next to him. He wouldn't talk much about it. The best man I ever knew.....Father, Christian, Community leader, etc. But I will say this.....when I was boy being raised by a former Marine Sgt.......when he said the yard better be mowed when I get home today....it was mowed....no questions!
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when he said the yard better be mowed when I get home today....it was mowed....no questions!
That sounds familiar, only my Dad was in the Army. Closest he came to live action was getting ready to deploy from his posting in West Germany for what would come to be known as the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Have lots but will start with something different. Neighbor was a latter day saints missionary. When mom and i got beat up and thrown out of the house in sub zero temps, i was 6, they took us in. Turns out he was a luftwaffe fighter pilot. Shot down 4 times. Last time he was out of fuel over his base in finland and had two yaks burning him in over the runway while he was trying to land. Woke up on fire with russian infantry beating him with rifle butts. Was in a prison train to Siberia with 2 broken legs, a broken arm, 3rd degree burns over half his body and one eye orbital crushed. Managed to jump off in the steppes and thats when he found god. basically crawled to denmark and snuck aboard an american freighter. Ended up in new york. The russians killed his entire extended family, 4 sisters, brother, mother, father, all aunts and uncles, every single living relative so he never went back. had a fiance and never learned what happened to her.

Most details told by his 'girlfriend', a south african lady with her own story. I learned a lot from that guy.
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I of course knew my father who passed when I was nineteen. He was awarded a silver star, two bronze stars and two purple hears during his service is the European theatre. He was nineteen when he was drafted in 1943 and went to Camp Wolters in Mineral Wells, Texas. I don't think he'd ever been out of state until the war. He completed basic training and they asked for volunteers for the airborne. He saw that they got paid a lot more and he figured he was going to die anyway, so he volunteered. He told me one time that his biggest motivator for volunteering for the airborne was to get to wear the jump boots.....which evidently really helped with "getting women."

So he went off to jump school at Fort Benning. I still have his journal which is pretty interesting. He completed jump school in late '43 and was ordered as a replacement to the 505th parachute infantry regiment (505 PIR) which was one of the regiments in the 82nd Airborne. The 82nd had already been fighting previously in the European theatre. So he was put on a ship to England and they trained intensively for the Dday invasion. My father saw lots of heavy combat but spoke very little of the combat....but most of his stories were about the British, French and German women....hell, he was 19-21 when he was over there. The one in Britain that I remember best was be invited home to spend the night by this British girl after a rare night of dancing in the local time. He was quite excited about what was going to happen. When he got to her house, she slept with her mother and he and he slept with her dad. He wasn't very impressed with the British in general.

So he parachuted into Normandy and his unit liberated the first French town, Ste Mere Eglise, the town with the paratrooper hanging from church in The Longest Day. I think they remained in Normandy until mid to late July before returning to England. I will tell "the rest of the story" on that later in this post. When they returned to England the mayor of Ste Mere Eglise sent a letter to Charles de Gaulle requesting that the 505th be awarded the highest unit award by the French. The 82nd declined if the entire division was not to receive the award. Each member of the 505th got a copy on onion skin paper and he sent his home to his mom....the letter describes in nice detail the action of his unit on that evening. I have the original framed in my office. Incidentally, I also had an uncle on my mother's side of the family that was killed in the break out from Normandy.

So he then jumped at Nimejjan (the second bridge) but he received a grazing gut shot wound pretty quickly and was evacuated....no stories of Dutch women and he always was vocal about despising Montgomery.

He next was the Battle of the Bulge. He fought near St. Vith. He did tell of frost bite and hanging radio line on dead Germans. He always hated cold weather and his frost bite would bother him for the rest of his life when it got cold. It always irked him that the "screaming buzzards" go so much press over Bastogne when it was the 82nd that ringed a good portion of their perimeter and actually saw heavier combat (according to him) at Bastogne. He received a grazing head wound in the Bulge.

He then fought in the Hurtgen Forest....only story I remember from then until Berlin was when they were crossing some river his long time buddy's grenade exploded and killed his buddy. He also told the story of getting lost and coming to a railroad track and it being pretty iffy if he was going to get back to his side of the lines. I think it was Eisenhower that mentioned that the 505th was technically the most decorated unit in the European theatre.....four or five presidential unit citations.

His stories of occupying Berlin (82nd was given that task for a good portion of the time) was that he really, really liked the German women and he had some pictures with his girlfriend in boat on some lake.

He was active in the VFW before I was born and we would go and visit many of his old army buddies as we travelled around the southwest. More than half were self medicating alcoholics and more than a few had missing limbs. My dad was evidently wild but he had almost no vices once he got married.

He did keep a letter in his army box from what he called "my French girlfriend" but it was in French and he said he never got it translated. Once he died, I got it translated in the early 90's by a French coworker. It is an extraordinary letter. Was from a French prostitute in Normandy written to him a few days after the Japanese surrendered. She wrote of being in love with him, explained why she never charged him and why she actually paid him to visit her and how she was jealous when he would visit the other prostitutes....and more stuff.

He said they were all sure while in Berlin that they would be shipped to Japan and that they were beyond elation when they heard about the atomic bombs in Japan. He went on to lead a very quiet life raising his family while working in a Metroplex aircraft factory. He died in '84 at the age of 61.

I visited Ste Mere Eglise on the 50th anniversary in '94 and took my wife and two boys there in 2014 and got a private tour for two days from a local historian that showed us the exact location where his battalion fought in the areas surrounding the town. I've also visited St. Vith and Nimejjan when I lived in Europe for a while.

That's my contact with a member....my dad. Personally growing up....the dad on "A Christmas Story" could be dead ringer for his personality and parenting style.
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Sounds like you may be very interested in reading All the Way to Berlin to me. Highly recommend it (at least what I can remember of it).
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Bucketrunner said:

A classmate's father was in the Bataan death march. He was an Aggie and a great man who died too young because of the experience. It took such a toll on his body.

I did a ruck march for the annual Bataan Death March Marathon held in White Sands, NM every year.

I'm 51 and was at different events with WWII vets back when I was in college and law school and in DC. Great guys.

the softness of the younger generation would not be believed by those warriors.

many of them shot a Nazi to death or used a flamethrower on Japanese,

while today's Biden Soy Boys complain about twitter posting mean tweets.
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My dad was a B-24 bombardier based out of England. www.b24.net. 29 missions, including the last one the 8th AF flew. After college he got drafted for Korea and stayed in, I graduated from HS in Germany and every single kid in my graduating class had a WWII vet for a dad. My girlfriends dad had the MOH. My mom's sister married a guy who's sister married Chesty Puller, so technically Chesty was an uncle. I used to pal around with Lewis Jr whenever we traveled thru Virginia. Lewis stepped on a mine the same week I graduated from helicopter pilot school. I spent a year in Vietnam in the unit the Army recognized as the First US Army Special Operations Aviation Company
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My grandfather joined the Marines when he was 15 to fight in WWII. He was injured at Iwo Jima, and when he returned home he still had to finish high school. He wrote a book, Semper Fi! , based on his experiences in the Marine Corps. He is pictured below with his two brothers and father, all of whom actively served in WWII at the same time. Truly the Greatest Generation.

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My Grandpa served with the 483rd BG as a B17 Pilot in WWII and went back in the AF during Korea. He didn't share any of his war experiences with my Dad or Grandma & family, but he did share some with me and he kept his outfit publications that listed his mission history. He raised a family and was quiet to his death bed about what he endured or accomplished during his military service. He participated in the local American Legion hall activities, and went to outfit reunions. I never got the impression his military service defined him or his life.
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Couple of pics of my Grandfather '38 on the right in both photos. Will fill in some details later

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Apache said:

Couple of pics of my Grandfather '38 on the right in both photos. Will fill in some details later


Hanging with the Brits, or was he British? (Uniform appears to be American, but perhaps I'm focusing too much on that Hawker Hurricane).
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Hanging with Brits, he was briefly attached with Montgomery. One of my bucket list items is to get my picture taken on a horse in that same spot.
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My grandfather was in the Royal Navy during WWII.

He moved from Scotland to the states in the early 80s when I was a year or so old. He loved Texas and adopted quickly to boots and bow hunting. I still wear his old pearl snap shirts. He was quiet and serious, but would rough house with me when I was over at their house. He loved us, but just showed it in ways other than higs and kisses.

He used to sit at the dining table with a couple fingers of scotch in a red solo cup watching WWII documentaries. My biggest regret in life was that I never asked him about it - I was a dumb self absorbed teenager when he died.

When my mother passed, I got all of his medals, his war photos, and his navy records (which I can't make heads or tails of). When I get some real free time I'd really like to dive into it and find out what ships he was on and where he sailed. He was either a radarman or a radioman - I haven't figured it out (I have a radioman's rank patch of his but his records indicate he took several radar tests during his time).

I have pictures that he took that indicate he was in Arctic/Russia, the Mediterranean, and I believe, the Philippines.
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Moms Dad was in the Army and was in Europe. Served as a truck driver for an AA Battalion. He passed when I was in 3rd grade so never got around to talking about it. Apparently he never talked about it with anyone.

Dads dad was an Army infantryman in the Pacific. He died in 1958 when my dad was 9. Obviously never met him but have a bunch of letters, medals and other memorabilia from the Pacific.
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Mommy served in the WAC's in the Philippines.
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I always thought she seemed a little weird, but at the same time very up on things.
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One other quick story.
I live in metro DC. One day about 10 years ago, I had just watched some WW2 doc, and it was just really bothering me that this generation was leaving us and I had met so few of them. As a history major it was one of my primary focuses, so that group has always held a special place for me.
So I said screw it, i hopped in my car and drove down to the WW2 memorial and just sat there for a beautiful spring day, talking to veterans who had come to pay homage to their comrades. It was such a cathartic day for me hearing their stories, I can only imagine what it was like for them. Still one of the cooler days I have spent.
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Now I heard that WACS recruited old maids for the war, though?
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