Interesting Photo from 160 years ago this week

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The Antietam Campaign was in full swing and Confederate and Union troops were moving through Frederick, Maryland. Amateur photographer Joseph Rosenstock (some sources say it was actually his wife) took one of the greatest candid shot of the war and the only one of Confederate troops in formation on the march.



Here is an interesting blog dissecting the photo:

http://reynsoft.com/pixblog2/md-history/historic-picture-2/



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One of the best photos ever taken in reference to Confederate infantry if you are a living historian. The only thing that would make it perfect is if it were in color. Then you could see the varying shades of butternut, gray and sky blue and assorted other colors of their uniforms.

Now to think about it; within a week, depending upon the regiment, more than one third or as many as 3/4ers if not more of them could be these men... That is the sobering aspect of the photo.

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Well here you go:



This looks like some of the old colorization but they are getting much better at it now. Some programs can detect pretty good color from black and white now.

Specifically the Gettysburg photo you have at the lower left was recently colorized and looks quite natural.



The other interesting thing about the Rosenstock photo, is about the time it was taken someone was dropping the copy of DH Hill's Special Order 191 wrapped around three cigars on the Best Farm just out of town. As Kenneth Williams wrote, I hope that capable smokers obtained better results from the cigars than McClellan did from the paper.
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If you want to see some good work being done on old photos, follow Marina Amaral. It's truly amazing.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Hey Cougar, in about a week I'll share some pictures of Confederates infantry in all their ragged gloriousness at Antietam. I'll be there for the 160th portraying the 4th Texas
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BQ78 said:

Specifically the Gettysburg photo you have at the lower left was recently colorized and looks quite natural.




That photo is attributed to both Sharpsburg and Gettysburg in web searches...
They normally didn't photograph Union dead.
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JABQ04 said:

Hey Cougar, in about a week I'll share some pictures of Confederates infantry in all their ragged gloriousness at Antietam. I'll be there for the 160th portraying the 4th Texas
1986

During my campaigning years. I am somewhere in this video...
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It's O'Sullivan's famous "Harvest of the Dead" photo from Gettysburg and as you say, it is one of the rare photographs of Union dead. That colorized view was done recently for an article in one of the Civil War magazines where an author was trying to pinpoint the location. Frassanito tended to think this photo was on the second day battlefield near Cemetery Hill but this new article pretty convincingly placed it on the first day's battlefield. That author tried to prove it by looking at the mountains in the background. That author says that is South Mountain in the background and he lined up modern photos with the period photo to try to show it. The biggest issue with his theory is that the foreground terrain has changed considerably due to manmade changes to the area.
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BQ78 said:

It's O'Sullivan's famous "Harvest of the Dead" photo from Gettysburg and as you say, it is one of the rare photographs of Union dead. That colorized view was done recently for an article in one of the Civil War magazines where an author was trying to pinpoint the location. Frassanito tended to think this photo was on the second day battlefield near Cemetery Hill but this new article pretty convincingly placed it on the first day's battlefield. That author tried to prove it by looking at the mountains in the background. That author says that is South Mountain in the background and he lined up modern photos with the period photo to try to show it. The biggest issue with his theory is that the foreground terrain has changed considerably due to manmade changes to the area.


Very cool.
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Rabid Cougar said:

JABQ04 said:

Hey Cougar, in about a week I'll share some pictures of Confederates infantry in all their ragged gloriousness at Antietam. I'll be there for the 160th portraying the 4th Texas
1986

During my campaigning years. I am somewhere in this video...



I enjoy the Lionworks YouTube channels. Lots of great videos and some good movies too
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Thanks for posting these fellas. My GGGF James Morris, Co B, 15th Georgia Infantry, Benning's Brigade, survived that day. 15th Georgia was extreme right regiment of Longstreet's Corps. Then A.P. Hill arrived from Harper's Ferry
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Relatives with 6th Alabama under John B. Gordon at the Sunken Road. 53 killed and 104 wounded including three of the relatives.
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Thanks for the pic and info.

GGG grandfather was with the Texas 1st. He lost an arm at Sharpsburg. The 1st had more than 80% killed or wounded in the "Cornfield". If I correctly understand summary accounts of what happened that day, the Union group the 1st encountered started running away and they basically became a "mob" chasing after them. The officers lost control and the uncontrolled rush lead them into the slaughter.

Snip from the Antietam on the web site

"On the Campaign

He was severely wounded in the left hand and arm in action at Sharpsburg on 17 September 1862.

The rest of the War

His left arm was amputated as a result of his wound. He retired on 1 December 1864 at Shreveport, LA."



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troy_y said:

Thanks for the pic and info.

GGG grandfather was with the Texas 1st. He lost an arm at Sharpsburg. The 1st had more than 80% killed or wounded in the "Cornfield". If I correctly understand summary accounts of what happened that day, the Union group the 1st encountered started running away and they basically became a "mob" chasing after them. The officers lost control and the uncontrolled rush lead them into the slaughter.

Snip from the Antietam on the web site

"On the Campaign

He was severely wounded in the left hand and arm in action at Sharpsburg on 17 September 1862.

The rest of the War

His left arm was amputated as a result of his wound. He retired on 1 December 1864 at Shreveport, LA."




They were by themselves with almost no support. Their enthusiasm and lack of discipline along with six 12 Pounders firing double canister and 600 smooth bores with buck and ball at 50 yards is what got them.

I have walked this ground numerous times. It is a truly a religious experience
Buying_time
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Thanks for the additional insight.

Unfortunately, another example for the textbooks of what happens when discipline is lost.
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troy_y said:

Thanks for the additional insight.

Unfortunately, another example for the textbooks of what happens when discipline is lost.


I wouldn't quite say that, though their lack of discipline certainly didn't help. The fighting in the Cornfield, along the Hagerstown pike, and that vicinity was chaotic as hell. They were a highly motivated unit, and arguably the most effective troops in the ANV and they sensed momentary weakness amongst their enemy and went in as they would often do in a sledgehammer like blow.

https://www.historynet.com/fighting-fast-texas-brigade-sharpsburg/


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Video is from a Living History event at Sharpsburg portraying the 4th Texas. 160 years to the day to the minute we assaulted towards the Hagerstown Pike from Smoketown Road on the same ground as the 4th did.
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