Because I am Lazy. Lindbergh Story and Question

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When I was a kid, probably in the 7th grade, an old man at my church told me a story about Lindbergh that I have never tried to verify.

The story.

The old man claimed that at the outbreak of WWII Lindbergh was arrested in a very polite way and held against his will for several weeks or months at a military base. The old man claimed to have been there and that Lindbergh more or less could go anywhere he wanted on base but did little and refused to talk to anyone. The old man said the reason this was done was nobody was sure what Lindbergh would say about the war and the government didn't want an American Hero badmouthing anything.

Apart from this being a story I like remembering. Is there any truth to this?

It popped into my head this morning for some reason.
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I understand Lindbergh was a hard core isolationist and spoke against American participation when WWII started in Europe.
The person that is not willing to fight and die, if need be, for his country has no right to life.

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Interesting. Lindbergh was anti-Semitic, isolationist, and very outspoken about staying out of the war in Europe. He was pro-Germany, if not outright pro-Nazi, in my opinion.

I've never heard that story, but given the panic of the days, I wouldn't be surprised if he was "invited" to stay out of the public eye for a while, when war broke out.

He never did support the war in Europe, but was an advisor for Lockheed in the Pacific theater, teaching pilots how to get maximum range from their planes.

He even flew missions in a P-38, and supposedly downed one Japanese fighter.

After the war, he had at least two secret German families and something like 7-8 kids with German women
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CanyonAg77 said:


He never did support the war in Europe, but was an advisor for Lockheed in the Pacific theater, teaching pilots how to get maximum range from their planes.

He even flew missions in a P-38, and supposedly downed one Japanese fighter.
It was more wink, wink, nudge, nudge. He started out in F-4U Corsairs with the Marine Corps.

Charles Lindbergh in the Pacific

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"First one, then two pilots reported dwindling fuel and broke off for home. MacDonald ordered the squadron back but because Lindbergh had nursed his fuel, he asked for and received permission to continue the hunt with his wingman. After a few more strafing runs, Lindbergh noticed the other Lightning circling overhead. Nervously the pilot told Lindbergh that he had only 175 gallons of fuel left. The civilian told him to reduce engine rpms, lean out his fuel mixture, and throttle back. When they landed, the 431st driver had seventy gallons left, Lindbergh had 260. They had started the mission with equal amounts of gas.

Lindbergh talked with MacDonald. The colonel then asked the group's pilots to assemble at the recreation hall that evening. The hall was that in name only, packed dirt floors staring up at a palm thatched roof, one ping pong table and some decks of cards completing the decor. Under the glare of unshaded bulbs, MacDonald got down to business. "Mr. Lindbergh" wanted to explain how to gain more range from the P-38s. In a pleasant manner Lindbergh explained cruise control techniques he had worked out for the Lightnings: reduce the standard 2,200 rpm to 1,600, set fuel mixtures to "auto-lean," and slightly increase manifold pressures. This, Lindbergh predicted, would stretch the Lightning's radius by 400 hundred miles, a nine-hour flight. When he concluded his talk half an hour later, the room was silent."
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He was an old fashioned version of a modern day liberal.
CanyonAg77
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Pretty in-depth article linked below. Doesn't mention any confinement

https://usgerrelations.traces.org/charleslindbergh.html
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78 kids? Dang, he was busy …

Oh never mind, there was a smudge on my glasses. Still, 7-8 kids is pretty impressive. And given his fame in the 1930s, I don't doubt that there was a multitude of ladies who would have been willing to give him the opportunity …
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He was a strange flavor of anti-semetic as his personal friend and fancier for his first flights was a Jewish media mogul in New York. Whom he went to live with after the lingburch jr. heist when he descended into a deep depresion. Not arguing that he wasn't anti-semetic but so was a major portion of the US at that time. So to label him that by todays standards seems wrong to me.

Much of the negative information about him surrounding the start of WW2 was from Rosevelt's campaign and wanting to keep him marginalized so as not to prevent Roesevelt's build up to the war. Both his biographer and a leading Jewish historian agreed to this in a book I read on Lindburgh. Basically saying he was a bad politician who allowed Rosevelt's people to present him in whatever light they wanted and he really didn't care to fight it. As a result that's what got published and that's what we have as a written memory.

Most of what he was saying against the war in 1939 could be run on Fox today with Germany replaced by Russia and be gobbled up by the Tucker/Hannity audience.
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As usual with Canyon, spot on. I saw a episode of Air Warriors about three weeks ago about him. It said exactly what you said! Had lots of footage of him in the P38's and what he did. Said he shot down the plane but because he was technically a civilian it was not recorded.
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Brother flew P38s while Linbergh was there. He never talked about his time there - but would answer

questions. 110 missions -432nd squadron!

Ran almost out of fuel after a raid but was able to land at a runway set up for that sort of problem!

( info not from him but from a book about the 432nd)
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

Brother flew P38s while Lindbergh was there. He never talked about his time there - but would answer

questions. 110 missions -432nd squadron!
senior error!
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Lindbergh was certainly not alone in his isolationism.

During the period from Britain's entry into the war in 1939 and the especially dangerous time from the collapse of France through the Battle of Britain, it seemed to many observers that Britain would not be able to resist the Nazis without major support from the U.S.

Our Ambassador to Great Britain, Joseph Kennedy, was fired because he believed that Britain could not win and persisted in making his views public.

Lindbergh was of course anti-Semitic, but as has been said, most people in the U.S. were at this time. He did not seem to understand the threat to democracy that the Nazis represented, was seemingly indifferent to anti-Jewish violence, and was more concerned about Stalin.

He was no fan of Britain, though he himself had retreated to Britain to escape the public eye after the killing of his son. (His wife, whose family was strongly interventionist, cringed at his anti-British speeches, for she well knew how much they owed some of their friends in England.)

Although there were numerous well-intentioned and fair-minded folks on both sides of what became a very acrimonious debate, FDR vilified Lindbergh.

Lindbergh was called a fascist and a Nazi by major newspaper columnists and by major figures in the Roosevelt administration, and FDR in a press conference compared him to Clement Vallandigham, a northern Democrat who sympathized with the South in the Civil War.

It is frightening to note the extent to which FDR used the resources of government to go after Lindbergh and anyone who agreed with him, especially since the US was not yet in a shooting war and theoretically all that was still up for debate.

When the US entered the war, Lindbergh tried to rejoin the military, but Roosevelt, in an act of spite and pettiness, refused to allow him to, which led to the off-the-record exploits in the Pacific.

Lindbergh was a strange and complicated fellow.


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OldArmy71 said:


Lindbergh was a strange and complicated fellow.

Which makes him interesting to read about, in my opinion.

Edit to add, I have no idea how the angry face got added. It was certainly not intended.
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I wouldn't conflate pro-German or even pro-Nazi as being anti-Semitic. Yes, the Nazis had lots of language and some early actions against the Jews, but many people who admired Hitler saw that as a minor, not existential part of the party. The Holocaust makes us see it as a bigger deal in hindsight, but at the time, Hitler had taken a country that was economically wrecked and turned it into a major powerhouse in only a few years - at the height of the depression. That was the shiny, flashy thing that a lot of people saw, and they downplayed or ignored the anti-semitism.

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Still, 7-8 kids is pretty impressive.
Johann Sebastian Bach laughs at your measly 8 kids.
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I wouldn't conflate pro-German or even pro-Nazi as being anti-Semitic.

I may be misunderstanding your point, but Lindbergh was all too clear in his private writings and then in his public speeches that he was anti-semitic. See the article referenced by Canyon above.
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BrazosBendHorn said:

78 kids? Dang, he was busy …

Oh never mind, there was a smudge on my glasses. Still, 7-8 kids is pretty impressive. And given his fame in the 1930s, I don't doubt that there was a multitude of ladies who would have been willing to give him the opportunity …
Those secret children should be thankful as he would have applied his Nazi-esque approach to exterminating defective offspring as he did when he murdered his 20-month old son.
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fka ftc said:

BrazosBendHorn said:

78 kids? Dang, he was busy …

Oh never mind, there was a smudge on my glasses. Still, 7-8 kids is pretty impressive. And given his fame in the 1930s, I don't doubt that there was a multitude of ladies who would have been willing to give him the opportunity …
Those secret children should be thankful as he would have applied his Nazi-esque approach to exterminating defective offspring as he did when he murdered his 20-month old son.
after posting this I spent some time on the case of his baby.

And yeah the idea that Lindy was behind it is not out of the question in my mind. And Bruno at least seems to be involved but not alone.
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Absolutely crazy but I watched a documentary several years ago where a guy tried to reenact based on the known and assumed "facts" and spent considerable time talking about Lindbergh's attitude, particularly perfectionism, and the suspicion his son and namesick had some anomalies.

On a related note, we had the opportunity to stay in Clifden, Ireland a couple weeks ago which is where roughly 8 years before The Spirit of St Louis flight two Brits landed the first transatlantic aircraft flight. I only vaguely recalled that Lindbergh was not the first but the first solo from NYC to Paris. Don't recall seeing an asterisk when taught of him in school.

If ever in that area, stay at the Abbeyglen Castle and be entertained by the two brothers who own and run the place and their stories of the town's history, including Connemara ponies and the first transatlantic wireless communication transmission by Marconi. it's also beautiful to boot.
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Yea Alcock and Brown flew a Vickers Vimy (WWI bomber) across the ocean in 1919, and a few Zeppelins had made the trip. So Lindy was like the 23rd person to cross the Atlantic.

But there was a prize offered for the first non-stop from New York to Paris. Several crews were training for it, but Lindy was the only one planning to go alone.

He actually wanted a Bellanca, the best airplane of its day, but they wouldn't sell it to him, they wanted a two man crew to fly the route. About a week after Lindy, Bellanca flew their plane from NY to Berlin, much further than Lindy, but only a few of us nerds know that
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Lindbergh was not the only famous American to back the isolationist philosophy prior to the US entry in WWII. He was the best known, however, and therefore receives the most scorn.
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terata said:

Lindbergh was not the only famous American to back the isolationist philosophy prior to the US entry in WWII. He was the best known, however, and therefore receives the most scorn.
He is not a "hero" in my book whatsoever given the overwhelming evidence that he simply was not a good person, and the building evidence he likely murdered or participated in the murder of his child simply because the thought the child "defective".
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