Modern version of KKK speech

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Rongagin71
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I saw this on the TexAgs political forum and thought I would transfer it over here for a little deconstruction.
I haven't seen anything this hard against Lincoln in over forty years... of course, I wasn't looking for anything, so I'm sure it was around... Lincoln did give lots of reason to be disliked.
The problem with a piece like this is that it is almost certainly full of error meant as propaganda to hurt the U.S.

KingofHazor
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LOL, that guy is the anti-Sapper! Put both in the same room and a nuclear explosion would occur.

But then, of course, have you ever seen that guy and Sapper in the same room? Makes you wonder.
BQ78
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Really don't want to listen to over an hour of garbage from a wanna be rock star. Can you summarize or mention something he says you want to discuss or refute?
Rongagin71
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Man, there is so much entertainment in this one...
but try going to around the 39:00 minute mark for the talk
about color coded ballots and misuse of secret police.
I'm curious about that as the charges are new to me.

The rest of the stuff is mostly complaining about Lincoln being a Whig/mercantilist primarily interested in enforcing tariffs rather than freeing slaves but there are lots of issues.
BQ78
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Does he maintain that intensity throughout the whole hour? The dark glasses must be concealing dilated eyes caused by something he has consumed.

He obviously is familiar with people and events of the time but adds on fabrications of massive proportions. Yes, the Federals/Stanton had a secret police but they were busy capturing Confederate spies in DC and Maryland not suppressing votes. They really were not organized and operating at the time Mr. Rock Star is talking about however and never in numbers to arrest voters. Also, he shows his ignorance in how elections were conducted back then. There were no ballots, everyone voted publicly. Which, explains why Lincoln got minimal votes in the south in 1860. To let your neighbors know you voted for Lincoln in 1860 Alabama was insane.

I will actually reference a Hollywood movie as depicting elections at this time pretty accurately. Watch the election scene in The Free State of Jones
Aggie_Journalist
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I haven't watched the video, but early American elections before the secret ballot were wild.

James Madison lost his first election because his rival showed up on Election Day and bought everyone drinks.

The next time he ran, Madison made sure to provide alcohol.
Thanks and gig'em
Rongagin71
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BQ78 said:

Does he maintain that intensity throughout the whole hour? The dark glasses must be concealing dilated eyes caused by something he has consumed.

He obviously is familiar with people and events of the time but adds on fabrications of massive proportions. Yes, the Federals/Stanton had a secret police but they were busy capturing Confederate spies in DC and Maryland not suppressing votes. They really were not organized and operating at the time Mr. Rock Star is talking about however and never in numbers to arrest voters. Also, he shows his ignorance in how elections were conducted back then. There were no ballots, everyone voted publicly. Which, explains why Lincoln got minimal votes in the south in 1860. To let your neighbors know you voted for Lincoln in 1860 Alabama was insane.

I will actually reference a Hollywood movie as depicting elections at this time pretty accurately. Watch the election scene in The Free State of Jones
I had heard, way back in high school, that Lincoln got NO votes in the 1860 Texas Presidential.
Always assumed it was mainly due to the vote being restricted (to citizens) but the aspect that everything was open escaped me. How would that work in a German or Mexican area, were they also against Lincoln or were they intimidated somehow?
BQ78
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Poor Mexicans (the majority) were not allowed to vote.

The German community was divided. We hear a lot today about the Union League and True to the Union Germans but these were a vocal minority of the community famous due to the Battle of the Nueces. As a whole the community was anti-slavery but they just wanted to get along with their Anglo neighbors and continue their success in their new home. So they quietly accepted the status quo. Conscription laws caused some unrest and resistance. But for the most part they accepted their conscription but never made very good soldiers. One of those was the namesake of Schreiner University in Kerrville, who became a Confederate sergeant. After the war, he touted his Confederate service but spent most of the war as a Confederate Beetle Bailey.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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I don't believe Lincoln was even on the ballot in Texas. Or maybe there wasn't even a ballot for Lincoln. If I remember correctly, people submitted a Republican ballot or a Democratic ballot instead of checking a box, in some states. I could be wrong though.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
aalan94
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Quote:

There were no ballots, everyone voted publicly. Which, explains why Lincoln got minimal votes in the south in 1860.
Also explains why Lincoln won the vote of the Union soldiers so overwhelmingly. They wouldn't have even really needed fraud to steal it (which they didn't), with that kind of advantage.

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I had heard, way back in high school, that Lincoln got NO votes in the 1860 Texas Presidential.

Always assumed it was mainly due to the vote being restricted (to citizens) but the aspect that everything was open escaped me.
Lincoln was not on the ballot in Texas. Neither, for that matter, was Stephen Douglas. The only candidates on the Texas ballot were John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat) and John Bell of the Constitutional Union Party. Breckenridge got 75 percent of the vote and Bell, who you could almost say was a proxy vote for Lincoln (though not quite), got 24.5 percent. So if you were a German Texan, you probably voted for Bell. The Constitutional Union Party was basically former whigs, who didn't want to free the slaves, but didn't want secession or conflict.
BonfireNerd04
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Aggie_Journalist said:

I haven't watched the video, but early American elections before the secret ballot were wild.

James Madison lost his first election because his rival showed up on Election Day and bought everyone drinks.

The next time he ran, Madison made sure to provide alcohol.
I've heard that serving vodka at election houses was SOP in the Soviet Union. Because otherwise elections were really boring, with only one party to vote for.
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