I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
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Coaching and players doing what they are supposed to
They have D tackles that get consistent push and they set the edge consistently on the outside. We don't do those things well.
I mean, our defense did hold Miami to it's fewest points all season in 16 total games.
I'm not saying Indiana isn't a good defense, that the transitive property always works, and I know the wind probably helped, but we did better against this same Miami offense than they did.
They won the championship because of timely offense far more than defense. Just overwhelmed Oregon's defense with consistent execution, and continued to make big time plays to keep extending the lead against Miami.
They won the championship because of timely offense far more than defense. Just overwhelmed Oregon's defense with consistent execution, and continued to make big time plays to keep extending the lead against Miami.
They obviously have really good analysts to be able to determine what plays will be run.
Refs letting players get away with PI all night helps too.
Refs letting players get away with PI all night helps too.
barnag said:
I mean, our defense did hold Miami to it's fewest points all season in 16 total games.
yeah that's true. I do feel like our players are of a better caliber and cover for a lot of misalignments. My question is more about reading the offense and seemingly knowing what's coming and in more than just the national championship. Every game I watched they were always right there to make a play.
King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
Stealing signs so they know which play is coming
And their o-line holds are legendary..,even Herbstreit had to comment about some very obvious open field holds, not saying they didn't earn the win so don't go there…just saying refs or rules suck when not enforced or called equally
King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
You mean you haven't seen A&M do that since we played Miami
OldShadeOfBlue said:King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
You mean you haven't seen A&M do that since we played Miami
already addressed. I'm not saying they played better or that our defense played poor against a common opponent. I'm talking about positioning specifically. There is likely a word/concept for what I'm getting at but I dont know it.
AND, Beck is a statue.
I hate tu. It's in my blood.
King of the Dairy Queen said:OldShadeOfBlue said:King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
You mean you haven't seen A&M do that since we played Miami
already addressed. I'm not saying they played better or that our defense played poor against a common opponent. I'm talking about positioning specifically. There is likely a word/concept for what I'm getting at but I dont know it.
You're probably talking about run fits specifically.
We were pretty solid on defense but had a habit of blowing at least 3-5 plays per game where we had guys going to the wrong gap and gave up massive runs.
KatyAggie2000 said:
They have D tackles that get consistent push and they set the edge consistently on the outside. We don't do those things well.
Miami's offensive lineman outweighed Indiana's defensive lineman by an average of 53 lb PER MAN.
If those guys are consistently getting push, it's coaching and technique. 100pct
beerad12man said:
I'm not saying Indiana isn't a good defense, that the transitive property always works, and I know the wind probably helped, but we did better against this same Miami offense than they did.
They won the championship because of timely offense far more than defense. Just overwhelmed Oregon's defense with consistent execution, and continued to make big time plays to keep extending the lead against Miami.
The biggest difference in the game was the blocked punt for the TD.
King of the Dairy Queen said:OldShadeOfBlue said:King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
You mean you haven't seen A&M do that since we played Miami
already addressed. I'm not saying they played better or that our defense played poor against a common opponent. I'm talking about positioning specifically. There is likely a word/concept for what I'm getting at but I dont know it.
Yes. Our LBs and the Jack Safety did not fit the run well on many occasions. That or they got caught up in trash.
Miami missed FG and Indiana punt block for a TD
Have to execute in all three phases of the game [/robotjasongarrett]
Have to execute in all three phases of the game [/robotjasongarrett]
They tackle better than us…period.
King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
that little corner was fantastic. for those of us who remember the days of aaron glenn, kevin smith - lockdown corners allow a defense so much creativity. ricks and more-so lee were good but they weren't to that level. it's been quite some time since we've had a true lockdown... i might be forgetting somebody but maybe back to sammy davis.
barnag said:
I mean, our defense did hold Miami to it's fewest points all season in 16 total games.
But facts get in the way of a little self-loathing
JDCAG (NOT Colin) said:King of the Dairy Queen said:OldShadeOfBlue said:King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
You mean you haven't seen A&M do that since we played Miami
already addressed. I'm not saying they played better or that our defense played poor against a common opponent. I'm talking about positioning specifically. There is likely a word/concept for what I'm getting at but I dont know it.
You're probably talking about run fits specifically.
We were pretty solid on defense but had a habit of blowing at least 3-5 plays per game where we had guys going to the wrong gap and gave up massive runs.
That happened to Indiana last night also: they gave up the long td run to fletcher
Emilio Fantastico said:beerad12man said:
I'm not saying Indiana isn't a good defense, that the transitive property always works, and I know the wind probably helped, but we did better against this same Miami offense than they did.
They won the championship because of timely offense far more than defense. Just overwhelmed Oregon's defense with consistent execution, and continued to make big time plays to keep extending the lead against Miami.
The biggest difference in the game was the blocked punt for the TD.
Yep
And then the missed fg
Who coached Hodges?
MBAR AG said:
Who coached Hodges?
I think Timmy d was coord, but thd defense fell off the planet when Hodges wasn't on the field. Hope he got into coaching.
A missed field goal, a punt blocked for a TD, two 4th down conversions and a pick. Indiana was lucky because they did everything well and had a tough QB.
KatyAggie2000 said:
They have D tackles that get consistent push and they set the edge consistently on the outside. We don't do those things well.
They had one whole tackle for loss. A sack. Miami had 342 total yards. I'm not saying Indianas defense isn't good, but some of yall are blowing them way out of proportion based off the one full game that most of you saw them play all year.
AledoAg said:
They tackle better than us…period.
They've seen a lot of football. It's similar to Michigan a few years ago, a mature team that doesn't make mistakes and has seen most of what you're going to run a hundred times. Any time a Miami player had space it was obvious that Indiana's defense was slow, but they were rarely out of position.
Um, we held Miami to 10 points and 278 yards with 12 first downs there chief
Lets see Indiana gave up more yards, more points, a massive long run, couldn't contain Toni. Yet they are great and we suck. Typical zoo.
Emilio Fantastico said:beerad12man said:
I'm not saying Indiana isn't a good defense, that the transitive property always works, and I know the wind probably helped, but we did better against this same Miami offense than they did.
They won the championship because of timely offense far more than defense. Just overwhelmed Oregon's defense with consistent execution, and continued to make big time plays to keep extending the lead against Miami.
The biggest difference in the game was the blocked punt for the TD.
Blocked punt is a turnover IU was +2 in the turnover category which wins a lot of games
All of the woulda coulda shoulda posters need to ask themselves the basic question
At a neutral site do we keep it close or do we lose by 17 ?
Transitive property of football is basically garbage but it is a double helping of garbage if you try and project home game results onto a neutral site or road game
Just Tired said:King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
that little corner was fantastic. for those of us who remember the days of aaron glenn, kevin smith - lockdown corners allow a defense so much creativity. ricks and more-so lee were good but they weren't to that level. it's been quite some time since we've had a true lockdown... i might be forgetting somebody but maybe back to sammy davis.
Ray Mickens?
Frank Grimes said:Just Tired said:King of the Dairy Queen said:
I don't claim to know ball, but man they were just always in the right place to make a play. How do you do that? Haven't seen A&M do that since michael hodges got hurt in the cotton bowl.
that little corner was fantastic. for those of us who remember the days of aaron glenn, kevin smith - lockdown corners allow a defense so much creativity. ricks and more-so lee were good but they weren't to that level. it's been quite some time since we've had a true lockdown... i might be forgetting somebody but maybe back to sammy davis.
Ray Mickens?
definitely a great one ... from 30 yrs ago.
I love how, to some people, our defense gets credit for holding Miami to 10 points, but our offense gets a pass for only scoring 3 because of the wind. Did the wind play a factor or not?
(For the record, I think the wind excuses are BS)
(For the record, I think the wind excuses are BS)
BigT29 said:
Lets see Indiana gave up more yards, more points, a massive long run, couldn't contain Toni. Yet they are great and we suck. Typical zoo.
Who said that? Snide response to an argument you wish someone made rather than what was actually said to make yourself feel smart. Typical zoo. Strawman elsewhere.
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