Best OL line class ever?

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We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?
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AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.
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I hope they play as good as Joeckel, Matthews, Ogbuehi, and Harrison played as freshman!
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It's hard to get excited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.
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GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.


Why?
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GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.


NFL does it all the time
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Yes best
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AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?

OP, I am using 247 as my source. When looking back at the 2010 class, here are the rankings...........


Luke Joekel #3 OT and went #2 overall in the 2013 draft
Jake Matthews #5 OT and went #6 overall in the 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi #12 OT and went #21 overall in the 2015 draft
Shep Klinke #5 OG
Garrett Gramling unrated
Jarvis Harrison unrated, but drafted 5th round of 2015 draft


Here is what we currently have committed and looking to add another or 2 if possible. Between Simien and Camara at IOL, I would think better chance to land Simien. If we land him, it will add #4 IOL to the following list.

Mark Matthews #1 OT
Kennedy Brown #3 OT
Kaeden Scott #8 OT
DeMarrion Johnson #12 OT

BTW, for those that missed it, I understood it to be expressed by staffers on here when Brown committed that he likely plays on the interior, but he would be a swing guy that could play outside if needed 3...

As far as attractive top skill position recruits, it doesn't hurt that's for sure but usually a lot of that is driven on the type of offense and fit along with how well they sell that fit to the system and how well that system develops them for the NFL
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OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

It depends on position. RB's can be pretty productive 1st or 2nd year. OL generally takes more time to develop so how many underclassman that are also high NIL do you want at one time? 2 OT's and one that can spin inside would be my preference. But someone will decommit so I like where we're sitting.
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OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

These kids need to be given that mindset that if they stick together as a class, they will be something special.
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2028 National Champs. Book it.
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OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

Exactly. It's very likely at least one of them will jump ship before signing day for a program that is less crowded at the position, and it's also likely that another 1 or 2 of them will just transfer after a year, maybe two.

High school recruiting is far less indicative of success than it used to be, and generally not worth following or getting very excited about.
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OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

If dudes are transferring out from top 10 programs it's usually because they got beat out. If our 4 top 100 OL are getting beat out by better players I think we're in a good spot.

And if you just look at the success Elko has had in the portal I think you'd be optimistic that for whatever reason the HS players don't pan out, we can replace them in the portal.
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AozorAg said:

OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

Exactly. It's very likely at least one of them will jump ship before signing day for a program that is less crowded at the position, and it's also likely that another 1 or 2 of them will just transfer after a year, maybe two.

High school recruiting is far less indicative of success than it used to be, and generally not worth following or getting very excited about.

HS recruiting is at least half the formula. You get guys in early and establish culture and depth. Then you fill in needs with the portal (which Elko has proven to be elite at). Half the HS guys don't pan out, half do. As long as we're not facing coaching turnover like we did with the 2022 class we should hold onto most. And if you've taken note of Elko leaning toward internal hires over bringing in outside help that's one less reason for transfers to happen.

In other words, it's okay to be excited.
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2010 is the answer until further notice
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NoahAg said:

2028 National Champs. Book it.

It's not "wait until next year" anymore?

It's "wait until the year after next" now? Has this change been approved by the fish pond manager?

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Position designation on recruiting sites largely reflects their high school playing time, not college projection unless it is glaringly obvious or they have vocalized their intent to move to the interior. Most top lineman at a high school playing OT, bc it is the more valuable position.

Highly doubt we would sink so much resource into taking 4 OTs, none of whom had any intention of sliding inside
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I can almost gaurantee some of the "OT" will move to guard.

Some services have Brown as an IOL
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ElephantRider said:

GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.


Why?


Let's say you recruit 2 OT each year but 50% of the time you move them to G. You rarely move Gs to OT. It's a physical build thing. You end up in the portal far too much. Or maybe that's just the way it is now.
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OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

I just flat out consider it difficult to get "exited". So, we will see.
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OT are typically by far your best OL'men in high school.. very common to get them into college and flip some to OG or even C… it's like taking a bunch of SS from high school baseball, you then turn some into your 2nd and 3rd base
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W said:

2010 is the answer until further notice


And ideally, none of this current crop would see the field as freshmen. I believe UGA started one true freshman.
94chem,
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GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.
As a former guard I have to disagree with this. Happens all the time.
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Whaler said:

NoahAg said:

2028 National Champs. Book it.

It's not "wait until next year" anymore?

It's "wait until the year after next" now? Has this change been approved by the fish pond manager?




it'll be 2039.
100 years from the prior one.
Somebody will make a Century Tree analogy, and somehow convince people it was destiny.

Then we can go sleeping giant again until 2139.
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OldShadeOfBlue said:

AozorAg said:

OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

Exactly. It's very likely at least one of them will jump ship before signing day for a program that is less crowded at the position, and it's also likely that another 1 or 2 of them will just transfer after a year, maybe two.

High school recruiting is far less indicative of success than it used to be, and generally not worth following or getting very excited about.

HS recruiting is at least half the formula. You get guys in early and establish culture and depth. Then you fill in needs with the portal (which Elko has proven to be elite at). Half the HS guys don't pan out, half do. As long as we're not facing coaching turnover like we did with the 2022 class we should hold onto most. And if you've taken note of Elko leaning toward internal hires over bringing in outside help that's one less reason for transfers to happen.

In other words, it's okay to be excited.

I'm with ya. It's fun to get excited. Following sports is supposed to be fun.
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mjhhawk said:

OldShadeOfBlue said:

AozorAg said:

OilManAg91 said:

It's hard to get exited when 1) we don't know who will really sign, and 2) if they do sign will they be here for more than 1 or 2 years. For me high school recruiting is dead for the 2 reasons stated above…sure a good high school recruiting class is great but it now has maybe a 25% correlation to who will be contributing their Junior and Senior years.

Exactly. It's very likely at least one of them will jump ship before signing day for a program that is less crowded at the position, and it's also likely that another 1 or 2 of them will just transfer after a year, maybe two.

High school recruiting is far less indicative of success than it used to be, and generally not worth following or getting very excited about.

HS recruiting is at least half the formula. You get guys in early and establish culture and depth. Then you fill in needs with the portal (which Elko has proven to be elite at). Half the HS guys don't pan out, half do. As long as we're not facing coaching turnover like we did with the 2022 class we should hold onto most. And if you've taken note of Elko leaning toward internal hires over bringing in outside help that's one less reason for transfers to happen.

In other words, it's okay to be excited.

I'm with ya. It's fun to get excited. Following sports is supposed to be fun.
Amen
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Entertaining…fun? Once in a generation on average???
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StinkyPinky said:

GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.

As a former guard I have to disagree with this. Happens all the time.

But were you any good?
(kidding)
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TxAg76 said:

StinkyPinky said:

GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.

As a former guard I have to disagree with this. Happens all the time.

But were you any good?
(kidding)
Lol, fair question. I wasn't able to make a living doing it, so, not good enough
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AggieMD95 said:

GenericAggie said:

AColunga07 said:

We have the #1, 3, 8 and 12 OT committed to us. Have we ever had this much talent at the position committed to us? We might lose one before NSD, but even then.

How common is it to roll OT recruits into the OG position?

This should attract the top recruits at the skill positions, no?


You hope to not roll OT to OG. That would generally be bad.


NFL does it all the time



^^^^This x10

Its actually a great selling point to O linemen that you will be taught (and expected) to play OT, OG and even center at times because the NFL wants versatile OL that can be plugged in anywhere when needed.

Ony the 6'8" and above guys with long arms usually stay exclusively at OT.
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One much overlooked lineman is Patrick Lewis, Jr. who first played guard and then center. He was actually the person who was directing the show for Joeckel, Matthews, Ogbuehi,Harrison for a year or two. He was located by Coach Sherman. See wikipedia for more information.
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On paper, yes.

2010 results will be hard to ever top. Let's hope we can discuss it in 4 years which is better.
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OldFox61 said:

One much overlooked lineman is Patrick Lewis, Jr. who first played guard and then center. He was actually the person who was directing the show for Joeckel, Matthews, Ogbuehi,Harrison for a year or two. He was located by Coach Sherman. See wikipedia for more information.
Coach Sherman, while sleepy, knew oline talent.
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Hopefully, all four of these OL recruits sign with us and stay with us for at least 3 seasons.
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Whaler said:

NoahAg said:

2028 National Champs. Book it.

It's not "wait until next year" anymore?

It's "wait until the year after next" now? Has this change been approved by the fish pond manager?



It's gonna be "wait until the season after Dixichkn dies"
I'm destined to never have that enjoyment. I've told the wife for many years "just outlast me. You'll see one."
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