***UEFA Champions League - SEMI FINAL THREAD***

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2:12p, 4/27/21
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Started about 8 minutes ago.

Real Madrid vs Chelsea

0-0
8'

Tomorrow is
Manchester City vs PSG @ 2pm ct
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2:13p, 4/27/21
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All that money for Werner and he missed a sitter in front of goal. Better hope that wasted opportunity don't come back to bite them in the ass.
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2:14p, 4/27/21
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2:14p, 4/27/21
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Pulisic scores!@!
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2:15p, 4/27/21
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Pulisic! What ball control. Was he onside, couldn't make out the run.
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2:15p, 4/27/21
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Happy for Pulisic but Hala Madrid
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2:18p, 4/27/21
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I know Pulisic scored but could a handball still be called on Verane for intentionally sticking out his elbow and deflecting the ball into the net?
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In reply to concac • 2:20p, 4/27/21
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RealTalk said:
I know Pulisic scored but could a handball still be called on Verane for intentionally sticking out his elbow and deflecting the ball into the net?
Great question, I'm sure it could have but then the ref allows the advantage to still be played? So goal counts but yellow could still be shown?
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2:23p, 4/27/21
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That little touch back after he cuts is magic.


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2:30p, 4/27/21
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NIce equalizer by Benzema.
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In reply to concac • 2:51p, 4/27/21
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RealTalk said:
I know Pulisic scored but could a handball still be called on Verane for intentionally sticking out his elbow and deflecting the ball into the net?


Nah. Not with his arm pinned to his side.

But yeah, if it was a handball it'd be shoal and yellow.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:09p, 4/27/21
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Look guys... said:
RealTalk said:
I know Pulisic scored but could a handball still be called on Verane for intentionally sticking out his elbow and deflecting the ball into the net?


Nah. Not with his arm pinned to his side.

But yeah, if it was a handball it'd be shoal and yellow.
I thought that he moved his arm away from his body to deflect the ball but after watching the replay, his arm never left his side.
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3:19p, 4/27/21
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The Handball rule needs to be revised. The rule applies differently to attackers vs. defenders. Its a confusing mess
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In reply to KCup17 • 3:21p, 4/27/21
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KCup17 said:
The Handball rule needs to be revised. The rule applies differently to attackers vs. defenders. Its a confusing mess
Yeah, that law is a mess with the accident and immediate goal scoring opportunity language and the unnaturally bigger. It's a complete subjective law.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:23p, 4/27/21
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Idk if you saw the Liverpool game this weekend but the attacker scored after the ball glanced off his arm as it was against his chest. They don't call that as a PK if the same action happens to a defender.
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3:28p, 4/27/21
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Pulisic is subbed out, strangely don't care about this match near as much anymore. But definitely pulling for Chelsea, can't stand Real Madrid and Florentino's bunch.
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In reply to KCup17 • 3:28p, 4/27/21
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KCup17 said:
Idk if you saw the Liverpool game this weekend but the attacker scored after the ball glanced off his arm as it was against his chest. They don't call that as a PK if the same action happens to a defender.
Any time the ball touches an attackers arm below the shoulder, hand, no matter the reason AND it leads to an immediate goal or gso, it's handball offense. The law was applied correctly there.

They used to call goals back during the buildup, but changed it to immediate.
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In reply to Legal Custodian • 3:29p, 4/27/21
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Pulisic is subbed out, strangely don't care about this match near as much anymore. But definitely pulling for Chelsea, can't stand Real Madrid and Florentino's bunch.
I'm never interested as much when he gets subbed out.

He was playing really well so I imagine it's keeping him fit.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:30p, 4/27/21
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I'm saying that rule needs to apply the same to defenders as attackers.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:32p, 4/27/21
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I think he's on a yellow too
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In reply to KCup17 • 3:32p, 4/27/21
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KCup17 said:
I'm saying that rule needs to apply the same to defenders as attackers.

You're right, the law is different for attacking versus defending.

I'm not sure you want that in the law. It's to prevent handballs scoring goals and creating an advantage for handling.

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In reply to Legal Custodian • 3:33p, 4/27/21
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I think he's on a yellow too
Excellent point. I didn't think of that. You're right.

Knock on wood, coming out even with an away goal is great.

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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:37p, 4/27/21
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I understand the reasoning of it but as it stands the rule isn't fair.
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In reply to KCup17 • 3:37p, 4/27/21
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KCup17 said:
I understand the reasoning of it but as it stands the rule isn't fair.
Is it fair is a team scores a goal with their hand?
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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:41p, 4/27/21
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That isn't the case I am talking about. If it isnt outside of the silhouette of the person I think so.

Is it fair that a defender can use their hand to prevent a goal?
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In reply to KCup17 • 3:46p, 4/27/21
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KCup17 said:
That isn't the case I am talking about. If it isnt outside of the silhouette of the person I think so.

Is it fair that a defender can use their hand to prevent a goal?
So you want to get rid of the phrase, even if accidental?

Here are the new laws and clarifications:

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Following this clarification, it is a handball offence if a player:
  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;
  • touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or
  • scores in the opponents' goal:
    • directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or
    • immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.
Accidental handball that leads to a team-mate scoring a goal or having a goal-scoring opportunity will no longer be considered an offence.
Looks like they're making some changes.

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In reply to Rudyjax • 3:49p, 4/27/21
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Basically yes. I believe it would alleviate the confusion around the rule.

Sorry to derail this thread into a Handball rule discussion.
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In reply to KCup17 • 3:54p, 4/27/21
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I read plenty of referee groups and they argue all the time what is a handball and what is not.

It goes down to, whatever the referee calls is what it is.

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4:01p, 4/27/21
When Pulisic gets past the goalie on that score whats to stop the defenders from putting up their hands and stopping it? Would it just go to a penalty kick or would a red card be involved as well. The goal was gonna be scored might as well take your change with a penalty kick.
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In reply to rooftop18403 • 4:06p, 4/27/21
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rooftop18403 said:
When Pulisic gets past the goalie on that score whats to stop the defenders from putting up their hands and stopping it? Would it just go to a penalty kick or would a red card be involved as well. The goal was gonna be scored might as well take your change with a penalty kick.
If they stop it with their hands is a PK and red card.

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A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
  • Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty error)


You don't want a red card here.
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4:10p, 4/27/21
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Good goal by Pulisic. Great goal by Benzema. Tough conditions.

The English announcers absolutely sucked. Would rather have watched the Spanish broadcast.
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In reply to Rudyjax • 5:29p, 4/27/21
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rooftop18403 said:
When Pulisic gets past the goalie on that score whats to stop the defenders from putting up their hands and stopping it? Would it just go to a penalty kick or would a red card be involved as well. The goal was gonna be scored might as well take your change with a penalty kick.
If they stop it with their hands is a PK and red card.

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A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:
  • Denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty error)


You don't want a red card here.


Isnt that what ghana did in the world cup a few back? Worked then, iirc.

There's a time and place. This wasn't one of those.
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5:36p, 4/27/21
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It was Luis Suarez (Uruguay) against Ghana I think
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In reply to JJxvi • 6:05p, 4/27/21
Yes. That's right.
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8:06p, 4/27/21
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Had to look it up.

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