Youth Soccer Question

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AgCMT
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New to the board, and to soccer for that matter.

My daughter has been playing rec for 4 years now and has moved to a Club team this past season. She's 9 and is playing on a 13G league.

Most of the parents are doing private coaching and agility training on the side. While the cost is up there, my concern is burning my kid out. She's not the best on the team, nor worst, but absolutely loves to play the sport.

I would love to hear some thoughts on how much training you recommend for a 9 year old. My thoughts are that we are in this for the long haul and not to push too much until she's a bit older.

The way some of these kids are training I can't seem them lasting for a few years. I have no experience in the sport, so that's just an assumption from having been in highly competitive sports when I was a kid.

We do work on a few drills that her coach has recommended...but how much is too much at 9 and when is a good time add more?

Thanks for allowing the question from a new to the club world dad.
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This is a really good and also difficult to answer question. I am in your boat, with a 7 and a 10 year old who play, but I grew up playing select and high school ball so do have some personal experience. The correct answer is that it probably depends entirely on your kid and you, as her father, are probably a much better judge of whether an additional day of training each week is more likely to grow her as a player or make her despise the sport when she gets older.

I can tell you what I have done so far which may turn out to be right or wrong. Both of mine started rec soccer at 4 and then moved up to academy at 7. Academy training is twice a week and I started both of them with a 1 hour private training session when they turned 7 as well. I started the extra training, not necessarily to try to make them world beaters, but because if left to their own devices, my kids will attempt to spend as much time with iPads or video games as they are allowed. The extra training gets them out of the house and running around outdoors and both of them tell me they like the private training better than their regular practice.
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Thank you for responding. I will definitely add another day of practice if she starts sitting in her room on the iPad. We were doing rec and club, but the rec season just ended.

My wife have often found that watching the parents can be more entertaining than watching the game.

I'm going to push her a little bit more this year with the drills that her coach gave her. If she starts making those habits, then we can look into additional training.

Thanks again for your feedback. This club stuff is a whole new world for me. This summer it goes from Academy to Select. I'm trying to drink less in case I need to sell a kidney to pay for this thing.
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AgCMT said:


Thanks again for your feedback. This club stuff is a whole new world for me. This summer it goes from Academy to Select. I'm trying to drink less in case I need to sell a kidney to pay for this thing.
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My advice would be to find some other non-soccer activity or sport that she enjoys and cross-train with that instead of paying for speed and agility training. Or play futsal or indoor soccer if she'd rather stay with something that's closer to the game.

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My oldest son burned out of club soccer. He seemed like a natural in rec at 5-6 yrs old. We moved him to the club's "youth academy" and he made their travel team in that and was put on the pre-USDA team the following year, playing a year up. Before we knew it, by 11 years old, he was on the DA team training 4 days/week, with matches all over Tx and sometimes out of state all year. After he was no longer in DA, he had his club team training 3 days with matches all over texas almost every weekend, his state ODP team training for entire weekends 6 or so times per year all over texas with one showcase in Tx and one showcase out of state every year, and the coaches were still encouraging extra technical trainings. Brief Christmas and summer breaks always included indoor or futsal teams and tournaments as well. ...but he didn't burn out until Junior High, where he was in football at school, and had a club soccer team, ODP soccer team, and Jr. High school soccer team (spring only). Spring of his 8th grade year, he'd be hitting the weight room pretty hard at school for off-season football, then going to school soccer practice or match after school, then going to club practice at night. After a couple of concussions from soccer and a couple of bad coaches at club, he stepped back from club and ODP soccer for a year. Just did high school football and high school soccer at school in 9th grade. Loved every minute of it. Still loves the game and might go back to a smaller club that plays in lesser competitive league competitions just for fun, but won't go back to a big club and doesn't have interest in playing or trying out for an MLS Next or ECNL type of environment again.

All that being said, due to title IX, there really aren't scholarship opportunities for men in soccer. If kids aren't on a professional track (MLS+ Next - formerly USDA), they should play because they love it. For girls, where there are so many scholarship opportunities, it's probably even more crazy competitive. Parents will absolutely be sending their daughters to all the extra technical trainings for all the speed & agility ball work. There are some good trainers out there with fun competitive environments. If your daughter is training with the club team 3x/week and goes to a trainer once a week for an hour or maybe once every other week, it shouldn't burn her out if she loves it.
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Basketball and tennis are both good, complimentary sports to soccer..

To the OP, sounds like you and your wife have the right attitude going into it. Focus on enjoying the sport at this age. Fight getting sucked into the rat race of competitive youth sports. Below the age of 15, the notion of elite is a joke so ignore that talk. If your kid really loves the sport, you won't have to push her to improve - she will do the work on her own because of her love of the sport.
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Thanks for that... That's an extremely hectic schedule! I'm curious what would you say the percentage of kids getting burned out before high school was?

I'm thinking of only doing soccer 2x a week at club/select practice and an additional day for either a trainer (down the road) and/or another sport. She'll still have the tournaments on the weekends. She has plenty of drills to do and until I see a little more consistency with her doing them, I'm not going to push the outside training stuff.

She absolutely loves to play and I don't want to ruin that. I wasn't sure if she just loved all the cool new uniforms and stuff until her friends tried to get her to play on their volleyball team. She told them no because it would get in the way of her soccer.

Once again, thanks for the feedback. It's such a crazy world in youth sports these days and not much instruction out there on how to navigate it.
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I don't know about girls burnout rates, but a lot of boys trail off by around high school. the club my son was at originally probably had a half-dozen competitive teams for his birthyear when they were U11, U12, and I bet they have like 2 now for U16.

complementary sports are good. multi-sport athletes can have better coordination, pick up new skills faster, better tactical awareness, and less burnout. my oldest did some various flag football and basketball leagues during winter and summer breaks, often with a bunch of his soccer teammates, and he did some tennis lessons here and there. if he has one more concussion from soccer (or football, though he's never gotten one in football in 7th, 8th, or 9th grade), he might end up a tennis player lol.
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My daughters didn't start playing until they were 7 and 8. Once they started playing and fell in love with the game, they went full tilt and haven't looked back. I think it all depends on how much passion they show for the sport and how willing the family is to support. Every family has to make that determination themselves. It's great for some and not so great for others.
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My daughter started playing at 4. Went to academy at 7 and select in the 4th grade. She just finished her freshman year of high school and will play u17 ECRL as a sophomore.

She did gymnastics/tumbling for years until it physically became too much.

She played rec bball and volleyball.

She played all middle school sports.

Her club coach always encouraged multi sports.

The funny part is the soccer players were the only ones who could compete with girls that bball and vball were their main sports. They dominated xc and track.

I don't have much to say other than find a club coach that makes it fun.
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Koda - I didn't know who your girls are until you posted about the goal of the year from this past season, they are fantastic players. My youngest plays for Albion NL, but she's a few years younger than your girls, wish she could have played against them. We saw your oldest playing in Houston at the showcase and my kids were acting like they were watching Jordan live…. Impressive to see them both be so successful thus far, definitely a bright future for them both.

Edit: wish you could have convinced her to play for the good guys, but I guess if NC calls you answer…. Is your youngest planning for NC as well?
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Chuck Cunningham said:

My daughter started playing at 4. Went to academy at 7 and select in the 4th grade. She just finished her freshman year of high school and will play u17 ECRL as a sophomore.

She did gymnastics/tumbling for years until it physically became too much.

She played rec bball and volleyball.

She played all middle school sports.

Her club coach always encouraged multi sports.

The funny part is the soccer players were the only ones who could compete with girls that bball and vball were their main sports. They dominated xc and track.

I don't have much to say other than find a club coach that makes it fun.


I've coached JH and HS and I recruited soccer girls for all the other sports. They can play anything and are much more competitive than other kids who play other sports, generally.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Chuck Cunningham said:

My daughter started playing at 4. Went to academy at 7 and select in the 4th grade. She just finished her freshman year of high school and will play u17 ECRL as a sophomore.

She did gymnastics/tumbling for years until it physically became too much.

She played rec bball and volleyball.

She played all middle school sports.

Her club coach always encouraged multi sports.

The funny part is the soccer players were the only ones who could compete with girls that bball and vball were their main sports. They dominated xc and track.

I don't have much to say other than find a club coach that makes it fun.


I've coached JH and HS and I recruited soccer girls for all the other sports. They can play anything and are much more competitive than other kids who play other sports, generally.


Yeah. It's funny when a soccer player plays defense in basketball.

They're stunned when they get called for a foul for shoulder to shoulder.
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"Dad, we played a small sided game in basketball practice."

"Small sided game?"

"Yeah. It was five v. five."


While they do foul, soccer kids understand defense easily when it comes to basketball.
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nah. soccer players taking chances diving in on the attacking third always get called for reach in fouls on the basketball court!
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We have taken both of them to the Aggie soccer camps for years and had hoped they'd both play here, but the oldest wanted to blaze her own path. I can't blame or fault her, and she will be in good hands at the place she chose.
The younger one is just now trying to figure out her path. They are different players and need to go down their individual paths. We shall see. They really enjoyed playing high school with each other this year but who knows if they'll play on the same team again. The girls/women's soccer opportunities and landscape is changing at a very fast pace at the moment, so we will see what the future will hold.
We are just trying to enjoy the time we have with them before they head out on their own adventures. It goes by faster than you ever realize.
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I would suggest you hold off a year adding private training just to let her acclimate to a new league, team, expectations, etc.

I haven't ever heard of a kid losing their love of the game by playing / practicing too little. If she's in a league, going to practices, etc., then you have little risk of her burning out.

I would also second the suggestions of adding complimentary sports as part of her body / strength development.
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We are just now starting down this path as well, OP, and it is crazy!

I played rec soccer until 10, then select until we moved when I was in high school and didnt want to try to get in with a new team when I knew I likely was not going to play seriously in college (already accepted to A&M). So I stepped back and just played HS and it was the most fun I ever had playing soccer I think.

My daughter is 9, and is a pretty good little player, but she is small and gets muscled off the ball. She's played rec every year since 4, and has always been the best player on the field when she really wants it, or average if she isnt feeling it that day. To be honest, it is frustrating, and it is hard to figure out how to keep her engaged. We did evaluations this week for the youth academy at legacy and it was like watching 3 different kids over the 3 days. The first day she was nervous and wasnt feeling it, and was honestly one of the worst kids out there. She came off the field that night crying saying she didnt think she was good enough, and she wasnt proud of the effort she put forth (her words, not mine). Was proud of her for noticing that, and she was determined to do better the 2nd night. Tuesday she dominated when she played against the other non-academy players, and held her own against them. It was the best I had seen her play in a long time. Last night was a mix between the two. She would kill it at one drill, then basically disappear for a while. No idea how the coaches figure out what to do with a kid like that! She ended up getting picked for the 2nd of 3 teams (I think, not 100% sure due to the color scheme but thats what it felt like). Overall still REALLY proud of her, as this is way out of her comfort zone.

We are just trying to find a happy medium. We are not going to do private training until she asks for it completely on her own. Knowing her, she likely won't, and I am 100% ok with that. I want her to play because she enjoys it. With her being small for her age, if she ever does grow, and figures out how to tap into what I know is there, she has a lot of potential. It's been fun but yeah, this is WAY different from when I grew up in the sport, and it is making our heads spin right now!
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Thanks for sharing. My kid definitely was not the best kid on the field but was always the scrappiest. Sometimes that led to being one of the better kids. I have had very little experience in soccer so I was no help. We she finally got decent coaching she excelled.

Since she started on her club team the coaching has been superb. At least compared to anything else that she has experienced since she started in Rec at 4. There have been several new girls show up this week for tryouts, as well as a few girls from the A team drop down to get in additional practices. I can definitely see a great deal of improvement in just 6-8 weeks. She held her own and even got the better of some of the kids that are typically better than her. The best part was she noticed and was excited and competitive.

We are taking the same route as you on the private training. The coach has been giving her little drills to work on at home and that is the only time that I push her...and it's not a hard push. I just ask her if she's done her drills and she typically grabs her ball and goes and knocks them out for about 30 minutes. I'm just trying to get a grasp of her buy in before I drop the $$ on select this summer. There's one thing to love playing the game and it's another to love the shiny new uniforms. It seems like she is really loving the game. I never have to pry her away from her friends to go to practice. She tells them she can't play without being prompted.

While it might be a scam or even a gimmick, she bought the Dribble Up ball with her own money and I told her I would pay the monthly fee as long as she did the classes. Her and a couple of her friends play on that thing pretty often. They compete with each other. So it can't hurt and it doesn't cost very much.

I'm going to look into tennis lessons for the kids soon as well. Both of my kids have expressed an interest and we have courts in our neighborhood. I see them play pickle ball on Tuesdays as well.

Keep me posted on how your kid is doing. It sounds like ours our the same age.
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I think Legacy does a good job of finding a balance in select soccer. Not too intense/ serious but still solid training, etc. It usually goes Green/White/other colors for team order. I have a 2014 girl as well at a different club.
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I think the technical director at Legacy, who is also the head of state ODP for S. Texas, has moved on to GFI and the highest level players are all moving over the GFI. not sure what's going to happen with Legacy from a competitive and coaching / developmental standpoint... but maybe that's just boys.
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I've thought about the dribble up ball. One of the girls that I coached last season had one and she seemed to like it, but my kiddo doesnt seem interested yet. I might have to check it out
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What is GFI? Just curious. We liked the coaches we talked to this week, but honestly didn't talk to them much. I just know a few others who have their kids in the program and really seem to like it (plus their kids are AWESOME).

It's honestly a bit of a drive for us, so we are going to check out Dash (now HTX) next week as well. We've done the Dash rec league for a couple of years and I really like their local guy that we have dealt with. Havent talked to the competitive coaches yet though.
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You have to be self-motivated to do ball-work on your own, but the dribble up works with camera and an app to give you drills/ movements and grades you. I don't think too many kids will get too into that app & ball for very long, but a cool thing to try.
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GFI is a new club in town. They bought a 20 acre property in spring / Klein area and are building fields and futsal courts. They hired a former Mexico national team manager as sporting director and have some professional players like Hector Herrera involved. They also bought out / merged with the TFC club so they already have an MLS Next team for most birth years. They're getting some really good technical coaches like Leroy from Dutch Lions and they hired Gareth Glick, ODP director for STX, from Legacy as their technical director. They're going to be the real deal and probably steal some good players from Legacy, Challenge, and what was formerly Dynamo Dash Youth.
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What are you trying to accomplish with select soccer up in age group by 4 years?

That is the most important question to ask yourself and your kid



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Gareth is good people.
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13G meaning 2013 age group (~9-10 years old).
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Indeed
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Youth soccer is mostly a money making scheme for coaches and clubs. The clubs know how to twist par ents heads up. Super expensive and disruptive to family time. I had two boys go down that road and would do it differently. A lot of this is for arrogant parents living through their children. Parents are the worst, I suggest earplugs.

My advice is to stay balanced with family time and what they like. If your kid really loves soccer let them play if you have the means. Don't burn them out.

If you live in a nice area your kid won't make the high school team if they don't play select. So consider that as well. Both my sons first question asked during tryouts is what club do you play for? They played select and high school, but don't take it too seriously.

The big false claim is spending all that money your kid will get a college scholarship. What they don't tell is you spend more sometimes in club soccer than if you just saved it for college. Most scholarships will be partial, e.g. 1/3 or 1/2. Best advice is have the focus on academics. My oldest was offered 1/2 academic and 1/2 athletic to a couple of smaller out of state schools. Most get like 1/3 athletic scholarship at some ridiculous out of state private school. Luckily he chose to just be a student and get an engineering degree at A&M

Proceed with caution
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Correct on all parts. I try to tell parents that club soccer should be about the fun of playing soccer and not chasing scholarships.
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Heck, same thing applies to club volleyball, baseball, softball, etc.

Do your homework on the organization and who's coaching your kids. And especially keep in constant communication with your kid about how they're feeling about the experience: are they having fun, do they feel overwhelmed, are there other things they'd rather be doing that they can't, etc.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Correct on all parts. I try to tell parents that club soccer should be about the fun of playing soccer and not chasing scholarships.


Definitely not about chasing scholarships but if a girl wants to play in college and plays club thru high school, there's a home for her.

She may not get to go to A&M. There is academic money that they wouldn't get because they play soccer.

If that's your kids goal, then find a coach who has out kids in college programs.
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Definitely appreciate the heads up and guidance from those who have done this before!

I am under no false pretense that I am raising an Olympic athlete or even a girl that will earn a scholarship for sure. But I definitely appreciate the thoughts on it.

I just want her to have fun, and to be able to play in High School if she wants to. Shoot, my 13 year old niece went out to try out for the middle school volleyball team, and they separated out the kids who had played select, and those who had not. Only one kid from the had not group made the team. That is NUTS to me.
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