Apparently he'll make $21 mil if he stays. But it's not like the dude needs money. I don't keep up with salary caps or players' contracts. But couldn't most teams work it out to pay him, say $8 - $10 mil? I guess it depends how badly he wants a ring, and if he cares how he gets it. It has to be tempting for him. It would be less pressure for him to be a Pau Gasol to another team's Kobe.

I can see your point, but I think Dirk has too much invested in Dallas to leave. The Mavericks have spent a decade building around him, and from what we've seen he is incredibly loyal to Cuban and the Mavs whole organization, it's all he's ever known in the NBA. When he is in the twilight of his career, is desperate for a ring and senses the Mavs are ready to rebuild without him, I could definitely see him doing this. But not while he is still in his prime as a Top 10 player in the league.

Either the mavs make a splash this offseason... and i mean a serious splash, or Nowitzki might be gone.

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If he wants to play for dirt cheap but make a title run, we'll find him a Spurs' uniform...

I agree with Barkley.

Nobody "opts out" of a guaranteed $21M. Nobody.

Beside that if you offered me $21M OR $10M and a chance to win an NBA championship, guess which one I'd take, 10 times out of 10?

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THE CHAMPIONSHIP MASS???

what if you already haddd plenty of monies.

bulls can haz dirk??

I'm putting the o/u on Dirk opting out at 0%. And I'm taking the under. There is no chance Dirk leaves.

Dirk is extremely loyal to Cubes and visa versa. Cuban trusts that Dirk will stay a Mav and Dirk trusts that Cuban will always be a luxury tax paying owner while he's wearing the uni. Dirk will take a pay cut to acquire big FAs WITH THE MAVERICKS before he opts out and signs somewhere else.

The quicker you realize that the Mavs aren't going to make a big splash in the off-season, the better your mental health will be.

The warm, fuzzy feeling you get from winning a championship lasts 1 summer.

$21M, if invested wisely, would allow your grandchildren to retire just after 5th grade.

How much money, exactly, does Dirk have, if you think he'd be willing to piss away $21M???

Mavs trade caron butler, shawn marion, najera and damp to miami for dwyane wade.

Why would Miami do that deal?
Hell why would Dwayne Wade do that deal???

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What makes you think this? The only reason we've been holding Damp's contract this long is for this FA period specifically. We could have easily offloaded it to another team with cap space and similar aspirations last year.

That's not to say acquiring Butler/Haywood/Stevenson wasn't a big move, but we could sign a huge FA with Damp's contract as cap-dump incentive, to a team who would then be under the soft cap.

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Why would Miami do that deal?
Hell why would Dwayne Wade do that deal???

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They wouldn't. That's a terrible deal for them. Nobody wants a bunch of 30 year olds, one who is signed for 5 years.

However they would do this (assuming Wade is going to leave in FA no matter what):
Beaubois + Damp + pick(s) for Dwyane Wade

Kidd, Wade, Butler, Dirk, Haywood (if he resigns)
Marion/Terry/Barea off the bench.

I don't want to lose Roddy. It is Cuban though.

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There are a lot of other teams out there willing to throw down a lot more money than what Dallas can offer. There's a reason you don't hear about Dallas in the free agent gossip, other than Dallas news sources of course.

Now, if Dirk opts out, then Dallas immediately becomes one of the hottest prospects in the market money wise. But then you have to consider, what is the draw to come play in Dallas? Play for an owner who has a personal lifelong battle against the officiating in the league? Go from being a stand alone superstar with no support on one team, to being a stand alone superstar with no support on another team?

Or go to Chicago with Rose. Or the Thunder with KD. Or team up with DWade in a new city. Heck, Miami will have $40mil to play with IF Wade leaves.

So there is the sign and trade route...name a team that wants to take on Dampier and the kind of money he will want...Or he could be signed and cut and not owed a penny by another team since his contract is retarded. That leaves $13 mil on the table, a number every team out there can beat when offering the big boys this summer.

No way Dirk leaves $21 mil on the table. He will ride big contracts like that, and if nothing else do the aging veteran to a contender for the MLE and a shot at a ring thing.

LOL at Mavs fans thinking trade for Wade. Let me help on this summer: all summer long Mavs will be 'reportedly in trade talks' for x big name players, free agents, etc.

Mavs fans will buy up season tickets based on all the hype, then October will roll around and nothing will happen and Cuban will talk about how you guys were this close || to trading for an Eastern Conference All-Star, but the team just wanted too much back in return.

Y'all will win 50+ again next year, then lose in the second round of the playoffs to SA.

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There are a lot of other teams out there willing to throw down a lot more money than what Dallas can offer. There's a reason you don't hear about Dallas in the free agent gossip, other than Dallas news sources of course.

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Uh, what? First off, Dallas can offer a max contract that can match any other team if the right players are included. And this could be achieved hardly losing anyone of consequence.

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Now, if Dirk opts out, then Dallas immediately becomes one of the hottest prospects in the market money wise. But then you have to consider, what is the draw to come play in Dallas? Play for an owner who has a personal lifelong battle against the officiating in the league? Go from being a stand alone superstar with no support on one team, to being a stand alone superstar with no support on another team?

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Dirk opting out does absolutely nothing in terms of free agency. Literally nothing. Cuban would save $20mm, and we'd still be over the cap. I don't know how you think that makes Dallas viable in the FA market. Like I said, Dampier + a prospect (Beaubois) would be enough cap equivalency to sign a player like DWade to a $15-16mm contract. He might want more then that, but you could still bring other players or a 3rd team into the mix to make the numbers work. That would keep the starting 5 intact, with decent bench depth. Wade would flourish in that lineup.

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Or go to Chicago with Rose. Or the Thunder with KD. Or team up with DWade in a new city. Heck, Miami will have $40mil to play with IF Wade leaves.

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He could, I guess. Those teams would have a much harder time making the numbers work based on their current contracts.

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So there is the sign and trade route...name a team that wants to take on Dampier and the kind of money he will want...Or he could be signed and cut and not owed a penny by another team since his contract is retarded. That leaves $13 mil on the table, a number every team out there can beat when offering the big boys this summer.

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Do you not know how S&T's work? Is there any team in the entire league who can sign a guy like Wade to a max contract in FA? Maybe Sacramento. It has to be a S&T. Damp's contract is perfect bait, I don't understand what's hard to grasp:
Mavs and Heat agree to a S&T
Heat re sign Wade for $X
Mavericks trade Damp + prospect (Roddy) + player Y (to meet Wade's contract $X since the Mavericks are over the soft cap) + whatever else the Mavs want to get gouged for to the Heat
Heat trade DWade to the Mavs.
Heat instantly cut Damp saving $13mm.

Mavs: get a great player
Wade: gets a bigger contract he could have gotten in FA by signing with the Heat and then traded to a team where he isn't the only player.
Heat: Wade was going to leave anyway, instead of him walking and getting nothing in return, they get a young prospect + picks + player Y + whatever.

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LOL at Mavs fans thinking trade for Wade. Let me help on this summer: all summer long Mavs will be 'reportedly in trade talks' for x big name players, free agents, etc.

Mavs fans will buy up season tickets based on all the hype, then October will roll around and nothing will happen and Cuban will talk about how you guys were this close || to trading for an Eastern Conference All-Star, but the team just wanted too much back in return.

Y'all will win 50+ again next year, then lose in the second round of the playoffs to SA.

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Look, I know you're a flaming retard who has the IQ of tupperware, but I don't really think we are going to land Dwyane Wade. It's just speculation. Feel free to get back to shutting the **** up.

Nowitzki's situation reminds me a little of 1992 when the Rockets almost traded Olajuwon. There were several frustrations on both sides, and Houston felt it could have a better shot at the title without (H)Akeem. However, it turned out differently, obviously, and I think Dallas AND Dirk would both be better if he stays put.

He has already made enough money. /obama

Yes I know how a S&T works. I understand that the numbers would work out, but the point you are missing is that a team would be absolutely retarded to give up their signing potential by taking on Dampier. Could it happen, of course, but I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a top tier guy to come to Dallas. Luckily, there are plenty of nice free agents out there in the "whatever you want to call the tier below Lebron/Wade/Bosh etc."

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You said maybe Sacramento??? You do realize that if Wade walks, the Heat would have enough money for two max contracts right? Not to mention, two mid level first round picks on the bargaining table. Assuming the Knicks stick to their plan to hit hard this off-season, they will budget for their minimum roster slots (hence getting rid of their 1st round pick), and have just enough money to also offer two max contracts. Of course, they would have to drop David Lee to do that, so that will be interesting to see since they clearly aren't sold on him anyways.

Like I said, I know the numbers work for something to happen nicely for Dallas, but it's just not going to. Let's take your case of Miami taking it, and cutting him like I mentioned since his contract is so insanely retarded. What in the hell is Miami going to do with $13mil????? There is nothing positive they could add to their team with that. Why would they do that, when they could let Wade opt out, resign him, plus offer another max contract to one of the top tier guys?

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Yes I know how a S&T works. I understand that the numbers would work out, but the point you are missing is that a team would be absolutely retarded to give up their signing potential by taking on Dampier. Could it happen, of course, but I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a top tier guy to come to Dallas. Luckily, there are plenty of nice free agents out there in the "whatever you want to call the tier below Lebron/Wade/Bosh etc."

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Like I said, this is pure speculation. It hinges on the fact that Wade wants to leave and thinks Dallas is a good enough destination that he chooses it over anywhere else. I must have failed to communicate that. Wade has the power in this situation and Miami can either get something out of it or get nothing.

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Like I said, I know the numbers work for something to happen nicely for Dallas, but it's just not going to. Let's take your case of Miami taking it, and cutting him like I mentioned since his contract is so insanely retarded. What in the hell is Miami going to do with $13mil????? There is nothing positive they could add to their team with that. Why would they do that, when they could let Wade opt out, resign him, plus offer another max contract to one of the top tier guys?

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You're looking at it wrong. Damp's contract is fodder. It's included specifically so it can be dropped. The incentives are the prospects/picks/whatever.

And like I said, this isn't really a plausible situation. It's just theory. If Wade wanted to come play here he could. I've already mentioned it's not going to happen.

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How much money, exactly, does Dirk have, if you think he'd be willing to piss away $21M???

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Dirk has made ~125mm over his career.


However, think of it this way:
Dirk is guaranteed 21 if he stays, then jack **** next year.
Dirk can sign a 6 year contract worth over 100mm as a max fa.
Next year, the league will be changing rules on player contracts.
The rules next year may limit how much Dirk can make - by how much - who knows.
So Dirk could be taking a 3-4mm paycut next year to get GUARANTEED 100mm+ over the next 6 years.

That isn't so far fetched.

If he ops out he would come to Pheonix to reunite with Nash but because of Money I can't see him playing for the mid level exemption.

I see Dirk in Dallas for another 5 years... then if he doesnt have his title (prolly won't) he'll go and sign with the best team in the league for >$5 million to get his ring while he averages around 18 ppg and 9 reb. Book it.

Dirk will not opt out, and he will not win a championship with the Mavs...

rock...Dirk...hardplace

LeftyHound = moron (at least in terms of this discussion)

Could Dirk opt out, sign at a much reduced rate for a year or two to allow the Mavs to go out and bring in a LeBron or Dwyane Wade?

I'd think if either of those guys really wanted to win, joining a lineup with Kidd and Dirk would be about as sure a thing as any other team. Especially if the roster isn't totally gutted to bring that person on board.

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No. Even if Dirk opted out and left Dallas, the Mavs are still well over the cap with Terry/Marion/Kidd/Butler/etc.

Dallas' only chance at a big stud is hoping they want to come to Dallas and working a S&T for Dampier and RoddyB.

Dan07 = moron for having no basis for anything and bringing nothing to the table.

I'm left to assume he is a Mavs fan and is heartbroken to realize that superstars aren't busting down the doors to come play in Dallas.

Like playing with Kidd is some huge draw? He is a second rate pg right now.

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Do you not know how S&T's work? Is there any team in the entire league who can sign a guy like Wade to a max contract in FA?

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New York - has enough room for 2 max FAs

Miami - has enough for Wade + 1.

Nets - Has room for max FA

Clips - room for a max FA

Chicago - room for a max FA

Kings - room for a max FA

Wiz - room for a max FA

Twolves- room for a max FA

I may have the IQ of a Tupperware bowl, but it's still higher than what you apparently have. Feel free to go back to shutting the **** up yourself.




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There's a reason you don't hear about Dallas in the free agent gossip, other than Dallas news sources of course.

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I can google "Chris Bosh/Dwyane Wade/Lebron James to Dallas" right now and get no fewer than ten non-dallas affiliated sources that talk about it

I don't think any them will actually come to fruitiion, but this comment is just stupid

Sure sources mention it, but none actually give it any chance of happening.

I was comparing it to the news and rumors of Wade to Chicago, Lebron to NY, etc.

anytime a big name could get traded the mavs will be mentioned. cuban is ultrainvolved and is willing to spend whatever it takes.

I've never seen anything to suggest bron or wade want to come to dallas. most of the bosh rumors are jusy because he I from there but I think he would be too embarrassed to return home with the hostile dunking incident hanging over his head.

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most of the bosh rumors are jusy because he I from there but I think he would be too embarrassed to return home with the hostile dunking incident hanging over his head.

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Well played.

nm. No point in getting in a pissing match with a 12 year old.

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