get this guy (below).
hire jose canseco as strength trainer.
pick up somebody that can choot the 3s in the draft.
we good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aszI1ETzII4&feature=player_embedded

[This message has been edited by ag_oracle (edited 5/11/2010 5:04a).]

a) Those highlights are fairly lame. Like the one where Splitter does a dream shake + up-and-under and still gets his shot blocked

b) Haven't Argentina and Brazil been at war for much of their history? Hijinks in the locker room from Manu

c) Splitter = Scola
Probably a great supporting cast guy, but with the decline of Duncan the Spurs need a dominating defensive presence in the lane. Splitter ain't it, IMO.

d) It is all well and good to pick up somebody that can shoot in the draft, but the problem is they wouldn't even be around come playoff time. Pop doesn't trust rookies in the playoffs, especially when they are offensive specialists.

e) The Spurs need to go ahead and fire Chip Engelland. Possibly the WORST EVER display of playoff FT shooting by a team (probably even lost them a game or two), and you've got a professional shooting coach on your roster? Turrible.

[This message has been edited by MassAggie97 (edited 5/11/2010 8:52a).]

defensively we just aren't there any more. i don't know if getting the right big in the middle would make that much a difference anymore...too many weak links through the roster

i just can't really believe that we've fallen this far...and to keep trotting out spares like bonner for the hope/prayer that he may hit a 3 or two? wtf has happened to our org's philosophy.

Agree completely. The fact that Bonner gets PT suggests to me that the Spurs are a long, long way from contending for anything. Crap like that is why I always put caveats on the "coach Pop is one of the greatest ever" talk. In the good ol' days, guys like Bonner never, ever saw the floor. Hell even Danny Ferry and Kevin Willis were effective defensively. Bonner gives you NOTHING.

It still pisses me off that Pop didn't let Blair develop more in the regular season so that he could be more effective in the playoffs. The skills that he brings seem infinitely more valuable to me than Bonner's "once every 4 games" offensive "skills". It boggles the mind, but you take the bad with the good, I suppose.

Agree with everything you said Mass, except regarding Danny Ferry. He was a terrible defender, actually very comparable to Bonner. The only difference was Ferry had David Robinson and Tim Duncan (in his prime) waiting behind him to swat away any blow-by drives. Otherwise they are pretty well the same players.

And regarding the Spurs offseason, they are going to need nothing short of an offseason miracle to be even an outside-shot contender next year.

The total lack of a defensive presence will not magically fix itself with the addition of Splitter plus a draft pick. The offense would be better with Splitter, but like every year, the Spurs success will depend on their health and defense.

And as previously stated, whatever rookie they draft will be worthless to them next postseason because of the way Pop treats rookies.

Their only shot is for Blair, Jefferson, and Hill to improve by leaps and bounds, Parker to return to pre-injury form, and for everyone else to maintain their form.

Draft Epke Udoh and for the love of all that is shiny and gold and shaped like a basketball on a funky stand let him play. The defense will instantly be twice as good. That guy has better instincts for rotation and shot blocking than I've ever personally seen at the college level. He absolutely owns the paint. I know it's not a super popular opinion, but I think he will be a very good player for a long time if he gets in the right situation.

Dump Bonner and Mason, trade off Jefferson for a shooter.

[This message has been edited by aero ag 2010 (edited 5/11/2010 12:51p).]

I think the Spurs need to do some adjusting but not retooling kind of like the Suns last offseason.

I'd start shopping Tony Parker and see what you can get for him and go from there. Gotta get younger and deeper.

Tony Parker is still in his 20s and one of the faster players in the NBA, plus if you get rid of him you are relying on Hill and Temple to be your 1-2 at PG.

Really, the Spurs aren't very old anymore. They have seven players who just finished their 1st or 2nd year in the league. Only two with double digit seasons in the NBA, and Duncan/McDyess are still valuable players. Manu is the only other player getting up there in terms of time playing basketball, and he is still a top-flight player when healthy.

DeJuan Blair R
Keith Bogans 6
Matt Bonner 5
Tim Duncan 12
Alonzo Gee R
Manu Ginobili 7
Malik Hairston 1
George Hill 1
Richard Jefferson 8
Curtis Jerrells R
Ian Mahinmi 1
Roger Mason Jr. 5
Antonio McDyess 13
Tony Parker 8
Garrett Temple R


I'd say the Spurs need to trim the deadwood more than anything... there are a ton of players on the roster who never, ever play, or suck really bad when they do. Next season they need to contribute or lose their spots to contributors.

Looking at that roster, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Temple is next season's Hill.

Mahinmi has absolutely got to contribute something next year or be considered a bad gamble and cut.

Jerrells, Gee, and Hairston... I've got nothing good or bad to say about any of them. I guess it's not a bad thing to have one faceless young guard who never plays, but three? The league is too competitive to fill your roster with projects.

Jefferson is a wasted spot, he does nothing that any lazy jersey-rack couldn't do.

Bonner stopped even trying sometime during game 2 of the Phoenix series, which didn't really have an effect on his production but made me 300% more angry.

Mason was just bad this year.

Yea Bonner plays way too much and paid too much. Getting paid 4+ mil this year. That's retarded

Bonner did what he is expected to do in Games 3-4, which is hit some shots. But yes, the Spurs are in deep trouble if he is playing 30 a night.

the spurs didn't pick up mahimi's option- he is as good as gone- probably to phoenix where he will excel

spurs need splitter and now- if they had brought in Scola and Splitter the spurs would be loaded- can't make the same mistake 4 times

Kerr dismantled the Suns in 2 offseasons, while they were still at the top, rebuilt them, and now he's a genius.

Pop & RC, meanwhile, have bungled lots and lots of drafts. There have been some good picks (Manu, TP9, Blair, & GHill) but a lot stiffs and no-shows. But they can rebuild if they stick with their formula and scout better. No more RJs. The next big trade they make needs to be for a 3 pt shooter or a big who can run.

Do whatever it takes to get Epke Udoh. He would fit so freaking perfectly into the Spurs concept of help defense. Plus, he rebounds well and is a capable, versatile scorer out of the elbow or post.

There are better players out there, but at positions the Spurs don't need, and there might be better posts but none that fit so well with the Spurs, IMO.

Picking up Udoh and Splitter would seem too good to be true. Front court would be pretty solid.

That said, I don't see the Spurs doing that in the draft. They probably pick up some euro trash and waste another pick by letting them hang out in Europe for 3-5 years while the championship window closes.

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Looking at that roster, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Temple is next season's Hill.

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What I've seen of Temple, he doesn't have the natural talent of Hill. Hope I'm wrong. I could see Temple being the next Jacques Vaughn.

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Mahinmi has absolutely got to contribute something next year or be considered a bad gamble and cut.

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Bad gamble. One thing is for sure...if you've spent time on Pop's bench for 2 or more years and have hardly ever seen the floor, you have no chance going forward. Think Jackie Butler and Sean Marks.

New York Daily news is reporting that Parker would love to be in NY. They also say that the Spurs are interested in acquiring Rudy Gay and may try to swing a three team deal in order to get him. Thoughts?

Link?

Rudy Gay + Manu Ginobili + George Hill = Profit

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/05/12/2010-05-12_if_san_antonio_guard_tony_parker_becomes_available_new_york_knicks_could_be_will.html

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New York Daily news is reporting that Eva Longoria would love to be in NY

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Incidentally, several weeks ago I posted that New York would be a good place for Parker. That might be the best bet for the Spurs to get a good deal, too. It's just too bad Isaiah Thomas traded away all of New York's draft picks.

I only would pull the trigger if we got rid of Jefferson. There would be a log jam at the three of we were to get Gay.

If the Spurs trade Parker and somehow get rid of Jefferson in that deal, what kind of room do we have to offer a big name during this offseason??

Hill, Manu, Gay, Duncan, Splitter would be solid. Blair, Mcdyess, _______. Need some guards. Bonner, Mason, Hairston aren't going to take this team anywhere.

If you trade away Jefferson and Parker for Rudy, you just lost depth on a team that already has none to go around.

I'd rather keep Tony around next year so that any one of Manu, Tony, or George Hill can be injured and it not really affect the Spurs overall performance.

Just get rid of Jefferson and bring in someone who can play lockdown defense or drain threes. Jefferson can do neither.

And now that I think of it....I wonder how much Parker and Jefferson will be stepping it up next season since they are both in contract years. The Spurs best shot at another trophy is for those two guys to play like their life depends on it.


[This message has been edited by aggie_2001_2005 (edited 5/13/2010 1:17a).]

The Spurs just interviewed Derrick Favors which is kind of odd (he is projected to go at #3). Favors went on to say that he thought the Spurs would try and make a move for him. It looks like the Silver and Black might make some off-season noise after all.

interesting...

A raw 18-year-old kid + coach Pop?

Yeah that's a no-brainer.

Beside the obvious problems with that, what do you suppose the Spurs would have to give up to get that pick? Parker? Seems pretty risky to me to trade Parker for the CHANCE at landing a guy like that, particularly when he's likely to be Pop's favorite whipping boy.

[This message has been edited by MassAggie97 (edited 5/24/2010 9:27a).]

I would usually agree with you on the Pop thing, Mass, but I feel that Pop knows this team HAS to make changes. Our lack of youth really showed in the Suns series. To keep up, we need athleticism and if it comes with youth and inexperience, so be it.

Oh and there were rumors about trading parker among other pieces (rights to splitter, 20th pick, etc.) for #3 and Devin Harris.

hmmm, i'd take that trade

Mass not wasting any time on taking yet another shot on pop.

How is that a shot at Pop?

Anyone who keeps up with the Spurs with any regularity knows that coach Pop is brutal to first year players, particularly young ones.

To be fair, Pop has only coached one 18 year old that I can remember and that was Tony. Tony took some abuse but also became the starter about 4 games into the season.

The only lottery pick Pop has ever had as a rookie was Tim. And I think Pop handled him just fine.