is it just me, or does anyone else think this guy will be a bust based on his draft position?

I don't know. I could see him being very Derrick Rose-ish. They do remind me of each other a fair amount, and his fish year was extremely similar to Rose's one-and-done.

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It is just you.

He may not be Derrick Rose, but guys like Derrick Rose are a rarity even at #1.

well, he's not a PG, can't shoot, and is not a dominate scorer. I think he'll be a decent pro, but he's not this "all-world" player everyone is making him out to be.

Right now: USC OJ Mayo with a weaker 3pt shot.

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well, he's not a PG, can't shoot, and is not a dominate scorer

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You just described Grant Hill at duke. Aside from the injuries, he turned out to be an excellent pro player.

He's quicker than Mayo.

I don't think he's the no-doubter some NBA experts are making him out to be.

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he's not a PG

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Hes not a PG? Seriously? A lightning quick guard who is an excellent passer, what position would you project him at?

I know it is natural for people to compare him to Rose, but they have different games. Rose is a better all around scorer, but Wall is a better passer and defender. He has the ability to make a Rondo like impact on the stat sheet every night.

Wall will also be one of the quickest and fastest players in the league and on a muscular 6'4 frame. He will be almost impossible to guard one on one.

The question I have about Wall is his ability to adjust to the NBA. He was a late bloomer in high school and only played one year in college so he is still very raw.

How will he adjust to not being the best athlete on the floor anymore? How will he handle being on a bad team? Can he handle the pressure of being 'the guy' from day one?

Derrick Rose is such a smart, polished basketball player, the adjustment for him was much easier than I think it will be for Wall.

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I think John Wall is going to be great in the NBA.

What I can't understand is how someone drafts him, Evans, etc. ahead of DeMarcus Cousins. Wall is a very good player and I'm sure he'll be productive in the NBA but good guards seem to be a dime a dozen. Complete big men are pretty rare and I was very impressed with Cousins this year. I don't watch many NBA games but he seems to be perfect for their style of play. He's big, can run the floor, can beat you with finesse or strength, and is a decent passer. He obviously has some weaknesses but he seems to have a pretty high ceiling.

If Cousins wasn't plagued by the supposed attitude problems, show up to the NBA combine overweight, and didn't seem to perpetually play in foul trouble... hands down he'd be the #1 pick. I'd say easily he has more natural talent than anyone in the draft.

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I just don't see near the same freakish athleticism in Wall that I do in Rose.

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From all accounts he outdid Rose athletically and he's physically bigger. His wingspan is larger than Evan Turner who is 3 inches taller. That's pretty freakish and should be really evident defensively.

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Rose is a better athlete. He's already one of the stongest guards in the NBA. Probably the quickest, too.

Wall is a phenomenal athlete, but just a shade behind Rose. Nothing to be worried about, though.

It's like comparing Kobe Bryant's dunking ability to Tracy McGrady's (when they were in their primes).

According to reports, Wall had a 43" Vert & ran a 3.01 25 yard sprint at the pre-draft combine. Rose had a 40" & ran a 3.05. And again, Wall is bigger, larger wingspan, etc.

So, if those numbers are correct Wall is bigger, stronger, faster & more explosive. He's got Rose beat in just about every measurement of athleticism.

piag must not watch much NBA ball if he doesn't think Wall has a pretty good NBA career ahead of him.
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agentzero must not be able to read. I said he would be a bust at his draft position. I think he is a good player, but not the "can't miss" everyone is making him out to be. Only problem is this draft suxs so bad, he's #1 by default.

longer and bigger are two different things. Rose is "more solid". I think Wall will do fine. He could easily be a dominant guard in the NBA. He is only 18-19.

Syd
Are those verticals max verticals or true verticals. The NBA test for both.

True vertical is from a stand still.
Max is however they want to do it....

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If Wall can at least become a league average PG then I don't think he can be considered a bust. Do you think of Andrew Bogut as a bust? I don't he's a fine player, not dominant by any means but not a bust.

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That's a load. An 'average' PG in the league by the actual meaning of average infers low level starter or bench player... if that's all you get out of a #1 overall pick... sorry but that's a freaking bust. Your screenname sort of leads me to believe you are a Wizard fan. If your team grabs Wall and he ends up becoming a Rafer Alston or Steve Blake, I guarantee you that you'd be disappointed and consider the pick a bust.

Bogut isn't an 'average' big man... he's a good big man... premium, but not elite. I'd agree he's not a bust.

As far as Wall goes, I honestly think he's going to be great. He supposedly has a great attitude, is a good kid, and he's really good and a lot of things. Players like that generally don't bust.

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[This message has been edited by AgentZero (edited 2/7/2012 11:03am).]

Once again, if you get Nelson or Andre Miller-like production out of a #1 overall PG (much different than a big man which is much more of a scarcity), I'm calling bull****. You will be disappointed and he'd most definitely be a bust considering that you could have probably grabbed 3 PG's after him in any given draft within the top 20 who could do the exact same thing.

That is why Wall would be a bust... even if he were just an 'average' starter.

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