2008 Finals Rematch ... Whats Different?

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HotardAg07
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For the Celtics
1. Garnett is slower, but seems to talk even more trash and somehow appears angrier than ever.
2. If possible, Pierce appears fatter and less athletic
3. Rasheed Wallace is on the team... which was a huge negative during the regular season, but seems to be working for them in spurts during the playoffs.
4. Rajon Rondo has gone from a complimentary player to the best player on the team... arguably playing better than any point guard in the playoffs this year.
5. The Celtics before were hungry and had 3 veterans who had not yet tasted playoff success. Then ran roughshod through the regular season and pounced on a soft Lakers team after struggling during the early rounds of the playoffs.. This year they sleep-walked through the regular season, turned it up in the playoffs and put down the two other best teams in the league with relative ease in the early rounds.
6. The Celtics had HCA.
7. The Celtics had James Posey, who had previously made a cameo appearance during Miami's championship run. He is that kind of defensive-stopper/3-point marksman that has marked successful teams like Detroit, the Spurs, etc. The Celtics have no obvious replacement for Posey and no obvious person to guard Kobe.

For the Lakers...
1. Andrew Bynum will be playing, but he's not 100%. He's actually kind of a liability at times because of his lack of mobility on help defense and rebounding.
2. Ron Artest will be playing instead of Trevor Ariza. Ariza played his role better on offense, but Artest will bring another dimension on defense. Artest will be able to defend the fatty Pierce better than Ariza would and creates some matchup issues for the Celtics. Do you use Pierce, your best perimeter defender, on Kobe and a physically over-matched Ray Allen on Ron Artest? Do you do put a defensively-deficient Allen on Kobe and hope to shut down the rest of the Lakers? Do you put Rondo on Kobe and put Allen on Fisher? Very interesting, and I'm sure Tom Thibodeaux will have the right answer.
3. Oh and did I mention that Artest and Bynum do wonders for the Lakers' physicality. Let's be honest Perkins/Garnett just physically and mentally abused Gasol/Odom in 2008. Gasol/Odom are simply mentally weak players and they were in over their heads with that matchup.


From that outlook, it seems like the Lakers will probably win. However, I think it'll largely depend on health. If the Celtics have to rely on a very limited Rondo or Nate Robinson, they lose their biggest edge in the series -- point guard. If Bynum logs big minutes and isn't more effective, the Lakers will give up big points to a team that already plays the best defense in the league.

Then there's always the personality factor in play. Will Kobe try to be the hero if the Lakers offense struggles after playing poor defensive teams in the earlier rounds? Will Artest submit to his role or will he try to become more of a story in key moments? Will Odom and Gasol cave in because of pressure and physicality and defer excessively to Kobe?
Head Ninja In Charge
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Artest was brought in to help cure the pussification of that Lakers frontcourt from two years ago. Kendrick Perkins sucks, but he's mean. Trevor Ariza was a good player for that team, but not an enforcer.

I agree that it'll come down to health. The fact that Artest is there to play bodyguard coupled with the fact that the Lakers won it all last year should squash any reservations about their potential mental/physical toughness problems.

Lakers in six.
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Nice writeup. Some nitpicks:
-Ariza was a non-factor in 2008 - they had Rodmanovic and Vujacic in that role
-Garnett has toned down the attitude since the Miami incident. With the tech foul count situation for Perkins, the refs could play a big role. Celtics rely on intimidation, especially against the Lakers.
-Are we really counting on Artest to keep his head on straight? I guess he gets the benefit of the doubt for now
-Big Baby makes a greater impact than Rasheed, and Tony Allen is solid but not as good as Posey was
-Artest could completely shut down Pierce if he locked in on him - that will be a fun match-up

I think Home court advantage will be the biggest change factor - Lakers in 7

[This message has been edited by InternetFan02 (edited 6/2/2010 12:03p).]
Simplebay
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uhhh no mention of how good PJ Brown was for the Celtics that year?

no more Eddie House and Leon Powe. who, in game 2, got more free throws than the entire lakers team and scored like a lifetime high in points.
Iowaggie
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Lamar Odom is now married to Chyna from the WWE.
BBDP
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quote:
defensively-deficient Allen

When guarding Kobe..yes, but I would not call Allen deficient...maybe I am wrong.

Judge
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I'm leaning towards Celtics in 6. They made Lebron and the Cavs look pretty bad. Then they took care of business against a strong favorite to win the title in Orlando. Both as the road team. They appear to be playing with fire and whenever one guy doesn't have it, someone else steps up.

It just seems like LA has been ho-humming through the playoffs.

Biggest potentially-series-altering factor right now is Rondo's health. He's gonna need to bring it.
Simplebay
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It just seems like LA has been ho-humming through the playoffs.


3 different games with game winning shots to win? plus having to play against Westbrook, Williams, and Nash all vs. Fisher who is by far the Lakers worst starter. matchup nightmares and game winning shots are ho humming?
Simplebay
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oh....

and does anyone else think Kobe will request to be on Rondo? (who has been playing just straight up sick)
Syd_X_Barrett
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I think Posey & House hit around 20 3's & at a 48% clip during the 08 series. Rasheed and Allen can't match that.
BBDP
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If Fisher is guarding Allen, he will have a high %.
HotardAg07
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Both Fisher and Sheed are hitting over 40% in the playoffs. This series won't come down to how many 3's the Celtics sink, though.
birdman
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LA's bench is noticeably weaker than it was two years ago. And Boston's bench is better than it was two years ago. Celtics win this series.
awinlonghorn
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in 2008, kobe was kobe bryant.

in 2009 and 2010, he has tranformed into KOBE.

YankeeAg05
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I don't think the Celtics will be able to defend the post as well as they have against Eastern Conference teams. Gasol alone is a better scorer and passer than Howard. Garnett is not the same Garnett from two years ago and I don't think they will be able to push around a Lakers front court that includes Bynum. The Magic seemed to be lacking a player that could consistently drive and pull the Celtics defense in, who could too easily close out on three point attempts. The Lakers won't have that problem with Kobe in killer mode all playoffs. Lakers in 5.
Head Ninja In Charge
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LA's bench is noticeably weaker than it was two years ago. And Boston's bench is better than it was two years ago. Celtics win this series.


But the Lakers' starters are better than the Celtics' and their core seven is a lot healthier, except for Bynum. But since Bynum didn't even play in the 2008 Finals, he's an upgrade by default.
Judge
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I don't think the Celtics will be able to defend the post as well as they have against Eastern Conference teams. Gasol alone is a better scorer and passer than Howard. Garnett is not the same Garnett from two years ago and I don't think they will be able to push around a Lakers front court that includes Bynum.

I don't think it will be that much of a problem.

KG, Perkins, and Fatty Davis are all pretty physical defenders. A hobbled Bynum and Gasol aren't going to out-muscle any of those guys.

Kobe is going to get his no matter what. The Suns showed that when you shut down Gasol (they double teamed him almost every touch after game 2) he's a good passer but it forced guys like Artest, Fisher, Odom, and Farmar into mediocre long range jumpers.

KG, Perk, and Fatty aren't going to let themselves be pushed around when defending which lead to some easy offensive boards for Bynum/Gasol.
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GrayMatter
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Good pic S-bay...

Lebron has really gotta be hungry for a cookie by now.

Lakers in 6 although I wouldn't be surprised if it was in 5.

Kobe's resolve to win is very impressive just when he is doubted the most and while he's got the most mileage in them legs. He's in a world of his own and he by himself can will the team to a championship.
Simplebay
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thanks baller. i got it at Staples last year.
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