With all the crap floating around for Mavs fans right now, here is a rumor from my friend that works for the Mavs:

Dallas is holding out on trading DUST to Minny for Al Jefferson because they want to package Jefferson with Damp for CP3.

Basically, Damp + Jefferson + JJ + picks + cash for CP3 / Emeka Okafor.

My buddy doesn't get "hourly" updates, but the general mood in Mavsland hasn't changed since end of last week. The dream is to flip Jefferson into CP3, then package Roddy + whatever for a 3rd, albeit smaller, piece. The Hornets have told the Mavs they won't do a straight salary dump for CP3 because they'll have to sell their fans on getting a piece back. The Mavs are hoping that "piece" is Jefferson.

I understand the Jefferson/CP3 swap, but not sure about the Roddy deal.

Who would you get for Roddy? Not to mention if you had CP3 he could be inline for a permanent move to the 2 spot.

There's no way to acquire Jefferson, and then CP3 without giving up Roddy. He is the Mav's only really attractive young piece. To think you could trade for the bets PG in the league (and for Al Jefferson as an interim) and keep your best young player is just dreaming.

Not to mention that whole situation rides on getting Jefferson without DUST chip.

Uh, so how do they get Jefferson?

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I understand the Jefferson/CP3 swap, but not sure about the Roddy deal.

Who would you get for Roddy? Not to mention if you had CP3 he could be inline for a permanent move to the 2 spot.

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As you would expect, they are loathe to part with Roddy until they get CP3, otherwise they could be hosed longterm at the PG spot.

The two players that are getting run through Cube's large statistical staff are Danny Granger at Indiana and Iggy at Philly. In both cases those franchises drafted players to take the place of those players long term, in both cases they need a PG, and in both cases they need an expiring contract (tough juice).

Granger is the better player, but Iggy might be the better fit for the team. Marion is just such a valuable piece because of his cheap contract and defense.

Please remember, Khaan is without a doubt the worst GM in the league. He's already shopping a guy he overpaid last season so that he can overpay Ridnour (shooting guard).

The Mavs are hoping Jason Terry + pick + cash will get Jefferson. Terry fills their need at SG, plus then can cut him after this upcoming season because his final year is only partially gurranteed (partial dust).

Weren't you the same guy who and isn't this the same 'buddy' who said the Mavs and Lebron had mutual interest?

Yes, I was. I was also the same guy that told you Dirk was going to opt out 10 days after they got bounced by the Spurs, and before it got reported by Marc Stein.

LeBron told a lot of teams he was interested in them (including the Clippers).

I'm not saying any of this is going to happen. I'm just telling you what the Mavs are trying to do.

Given the lockout is pretty probable next summer as well as a new CBA well in the owner's favor, Dirk opting out was actually pretty logical and considered probable to many analyts before Marc Stein 'broke' the story.

I'm not calling you a liar or anything, but I know people that work for the Rockets. In general, if you work for one of those organizations in some department that isn't front office/player personnel, you will not have the slightest clue on the inner-workings of what's being worked. Outside of maybe some good seats for free every once in a while, they probably don't have some sort of inside hook up and its just a job for them.

And the people that DO work in player personnel and front office generally don't talk to guys who are the type into internet message boards about the inner-workings because well... that could be of detrimant to their employment.

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No offense taken; I understand the skepticism associated with the post. Obviously, I can't post his job, though you are 100% correct that a lot of times people don't know what other parts of the organization are doing.

It is just food for thought.

As long as they aren't passing on other potential moves (??) while waiting to see if it pans out, it's worth a shot I guess.

If Donnie can turn Damp/Terry into CP3 without giving up Roddy, I'll be absolutely amazed

So far the names being mentioned are:
Danny Granger
Iggy
Al Jefferson
CP3

That's quite a list. Is there any realistic chance at any of those guys aside from Big Al?

I'm skeptical. They're all #1's on **** teams, and there has been a precedent of stealing studs from losing teams, but Dallas isn't LA or Boston.

Granger as the #1 and Dirk as the #2 would be a wet dream, albeit unlikely.

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I'm not calling you a liar or anything, but I know people that work for the Rockets. In general, if you work for one of those organizations in some department that isn't front office/player personnel, you will not have the slightest clue on the inner-workings of what's being worked

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This is very true.

I know a lot of people that work for the Spurs and Rockets. They don't know what Morey and RC are doing. I'm also close with one of the Spurs partial owners. He has told me for years what the owners suggested to Pop, but they were always taken as suggestions. Pop was informed what players the owners at large liked, and sometimes they would have meetings about what and why, and sometimes Pop would say "I agree" and sometimes he would say "he sucks."

With the three teams in Texas, the best place to get info is the top. Cuban will give more than most, but he is very tight-lipped for someone so loud. The Spurs owners would only tell who they suggested. The Rockets - super quiet. I get more from visiting scouts than anyone within the organization.

CP3 is not going to be moved before the start of the season unless it is for another superstar. Bottom line, it isn't happening for a pupu platter of picks, cash and guys to cut. No way, no how. The Hornets got under the Luxury tax, so you are going to have to blow them away to pry CP3 out of their hands, and it certainly won't be before Damp has to be cut.

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So far the names being mentioned are:
Danny Granger
Iggy
Al Jefferson
CP3

That's quite a list. Is there any realistic chance at any of those guys aside from Big Al?

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Granger is completely out. Its laughable to even suggest it. Indy has 25mm on the cap next year including Granger's 25mm. They are rebuilding, but aren't going to ship their one star away for cap space when they have enough for 1-2 max players. There is no leverage there. They just turned down a trade of Devin Harris and Derrick Favors for Granger and you are saying the Mavs have something they want? Laughable.

The only guy there possible is Iggy.

Iggy is possible, but you have to take Brand.
Brand has 3y/51mm and has a cap number of 16mm right now. Iggy has 4y/56mm left and has a cap number of 12.34 right now. To do that, you are probably giving up Dampier+Butler+RoddyB+Cash+Picks.

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If Donnie can turn Damp/Terry into CP3 without giving up Roddy, I'll be absolutely amazed

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Absolutely impossible. Anyone doing a major deal with Dallas to clear space will demand Roddy. No two ways about it. He is cheap and has tremendous upside potential.

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Marion is just such a valuable piece because of his cheap contract and defense.

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Sorry, Marion's D isn't that great anymore.
Marion has 4y33mm left and a cap number of 7.3. That isn't cheap by anyone's standards for a guy that will be 33 by the end of the season and who's game depends largely on explosiveness. He averaged 12/6 last year and no longer has any range as a shooter. Sorry, but the secret got out that he is no longer a 22/12 player with three point range that can play defense on 4 positions. He is an average player making 20%+ more than the MLE.

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The Mavs are hoping Jason Terry + pick + cash will get Jefferson.

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Some guy on Dallasbasketball.com is probably hoping that. No way that happens IRL.

Terry's contract gets guaranteed if he logs over 1500 minutes. Terry hasn't logged under 2400 minutes since his rookie season when he logged nearly 1900.

He would have to log 20mpg for just 70 games to fall short of 1500 minutes. And Terry has never played less than 74 games. Remember how little we saw JJ Barea last year? He logged over 1500 minutes.

Unless there is a major injury to Terry (who is pretty tough) he will have his contract fully guaranteed.


Mavs best trade assets:
Dampier: 13mm waivable
Roddy B: 1.1mm contract, lots of upside, no downside
Butler: 10mm ending contract, can contribute and is in a contract year.
DeShawn Stevenson: ~4mm ending contract
Jason Terry: 2 years left, next year is only 50% guaranteed if he plays less than 1500 minutes. However, he has never played less than 1888 minutes and is never really injured.

Not a ton to work with. People don't seem to be jumping at the Damp contract.

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Guitarsoup is so cute when he starts screaming in absolutes

When I am proven absolutely right, I will bring this back to the top for you, mouth breather.

I don't think even simpletard has had his head tunneled by soup like that before

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Sadly, I agree with just about everything Soup is saying. Some of you effers are delusional morons.



"I like to drink out of the creek and sleep near mud."

ESPN just reported that the Jazz are now in the lead for the Jefferson sweepstakes.

GS makes a very good point in an indirect way that I've tried to tell Mavs fans since the beginning of last season... with so many teams under the cap w/ money to spare that they are WILLING to spend, the Dampier 'DUST' contract just really isn't that valuable. It might be if the Mavs had more pick/trade prospects to go with it, but the contract itself just has little market value when so many teams have money to spare.

They should have traded the chip last season if the opportunity were there to do so.

Looks like AlJeff is going to Utah. I like it. That puts Utah over the luxury tax threshold unless they send something else other than a draft pick.

From what I read, the Mavs-Minn trade fell through because Cuban insisted that Minnesota take on DeShawn Stevenson and Matt Carroll. Cubes was going to include two firsts. Minnesota didn't want the scrubs and called it off and is moving on to Utah. Way to go, Mark.

Right now, Utah doesn't have any outstanding trades I know of, and has the Memphis 2011 pick with restrictions for the Ronnie Brewer trade.

This also puts Utah in a tough place to match the offer for Matthews, so I hope Portland gets him. I think Portland just hates Utah and does these restricted free agent deals to **** with Utah.

Last year, Portland signed Paul Millsap to a offer sheet that the over-the-tax Jazz had to match. It required Utah to pay a 5.6mm signing bonus and 1/4th of his first year salary the day the contract is signed. So for Utah to match, they had to pay 10mm upfront, then pay 12mm in tax on it.

Portland did the same thing with Wesley Matthews. 9mm of the 5y34mm MLE contract was to be paid upfront, and the rest of it later. So if Utah matches, they have to pay Matthews that 9mm before the season starts, and because Utah is over the lux tax line if they get AlJeff and a lottery team if they don't, they will have to pay an additional 9mm in lux taxes and miss out on the ~5-6mm in lux tax disbursements.

Paul Allen is hilarious. Way to stick it to your rivals.

I love Portland.

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As you would expect, they are loathe to part with Roddy until they get CP3, otherwise they could be hosed longterm at the PG spot.

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Now is the time to trade Roddy. He will never be a good option as a starting point guard. I see him as a Bobby Jackson/Jason Terry type player with more athleticism and defensive potential.

He's just to new to the game to be a point guard. Could be a good change of pace 6th man but I don't think he'll ever be able to run a half court offense with consistency.