like in comparisons against great SGs like MJ, Kobe etc.

We don't, at all. If anything, he's probably a little underrated.

I don't think anyone with any sort of basketball knowledge would compare him to Kobe or MJ. I do think he is a hall of fame player though. Probably not first ballot, but he's that good.

You're asking spurs fans how much they overrate a spurs player? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Manu is a first ballot hall of famer. Not overrated. Look at how far the Spurs go with an unhealthy Manu. That will answer your question.

Simple has some competition for worst trolling attempt.

he's no willie anderson...

3 time nba champion...

Stupid OP question. Next?

Expected. He's not a first ballot NBA HOFer since outside NBA accomplishments don't matter.

3X NBA champ yes...but never as a first option

It wasn't too long ago that the Spurs fans were claiming that Manu on a per-minute basis was teh best SG in the league.

It's the Basketball HOF, not the NBA HOF.

And how did Team USA do in the 2004 Olympics against Argentina?

Manu probably should have been NBA Finals MVP in 2005.

This Masterplan fellow seems like a really smart guy

1st ballot because there isn't an NBA HOF, it's the Naismith Basketball HOF which honors international and domestic basketball achievements.


3× NBA Champion (2003, 2005, 2007)
2× NBA All-Star (2005, 2011)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2008, 2011)
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (2008)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2003)
Italian League MVP (2001)
Euroleague Finals MVP (2001)
FIBA Americas Championship MVP (2001)
All-Euroleague First Team (2002)
Italian Cup MVP (2002)
Italian League MVP (2002)
FIBA World Cup All-Tournament Team (2002)
Olympic Gold (2004)
Olimpia de Oro (2003, 2004 (shared))
FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team (2006)
UNICEF Goodwill Ambassador (2007)
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors (2008)
Argentina´s Olympic Flag Bearer (2008)
Olympic Bronze (2008)
Diamond Konex Award (2010)
FIBA Americas Championship All-Tournament Team (2011)

[This message has been edited by Ganondorf (edited 4/20/2012 9:35a).]

Manu is a HOFer without question.

In his prime (2003-2007), it could be argued using statistics that Ginobili was the most clutch player in the entire league. He's been the 1st (2008), 2nd (much of his career), and now 3rd best player on the team at various times throughout his career. He's a 3x NBA champion and has done much of this coming off the bench. He was arguably the best player (measured by the way he performed) in the 2004 Olympics.

Ginobili isn't what he used to be, but he is still a pretty damn good 3rd wheel, he's a team-first guy, and he's a proven winner at every level. There's not a single GM in the entire league that wouldn't trade nearly anyone on their roster for him (health issues aside).

How exactly is anyone overrating his career?

his NBA career is not even close to HOF worthy, but his entire basketball career is obvious HOF worthy

Well then judging by that reasoning Pau Gasol is a first ballot HOFer then

I don't understand the original post...who is overrating Manu?

His international accomplishments alone are enough to put him in the hall. As has been noted, the basketball hall of fame is not NBA-exclusive.

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Well then judging by that reasoning Pau Gasol is a first ballot HOFer then

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a) which reasoning? You must not be talking about me since Pau barely fits ANY of those criteria
b) who's to say Pau won't be when it is all said and done? He is a phenomenal basketball player and, in my mind, will deserve some first-ballot consideration

[This message has been edited by MassAggie97 (edited 4/20/2012 12:00p).]

As far as the OP's original assertion/question...


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Then I thought some more and decided:





Then it occured to me that:





Finally, I concluded:








[This message has been edited by WestTexasAgalo (edited 4/20/2012 12:07p).]

Seeing that Manu only had about 3 years of prime level basketball than he doesn't compare to those guys at all. During those 3 years though he was arguably the best SG in the league. 05-08

The title was a troll to bring you in...to get serious responses I should've said, "Manu Ginobili-how do you rate him?"

But that's just not fun. Either way, looks like you guys don't overrate him and at least recognize he is very fortunate to play with Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan should win every finals MVP their great play is because of Timmy.

[This message has been edited by TheMasterplan (edited 4/21/2012 8:13a).]

Best sg in the league? He wasn't better than Kobe, dwade, etc

Bump while Ginobili playing lights out and being a highlight reel.

This thread worked out great for the OP....

Just need Shark to post the gif of Manu's pass to Bonner.

[This message has been edited by sharkenleo (edited 4/21/2012 10:30a).]

Nice job, Shark. That should be a wrap on this thread.

[This message has been edited by agwin12 (edited 4/21/2012 10:36a).]

Annnnnd It's a Sher Thing says exactly what I thought some spurs fans though.

The best SG on the league can't come off the bench and the best SG in the league has to be the #1 option on the team (which Manu was not).

The best SG in the league has to be the #1 option??? Who says? That's about the most arbitrary thing I've ever heard.

When you have a top-10 player in the history of basketball on your roster, he's pretty much going to be your first option no matter who's playing the 2.

Best SG in the league. Oh lordy. It is a compliment to be thought dumb by you idiots

It is a compliment to have one's team taking up so much real estate in opposing fan's heads.