Any predictions on the life fortunes of Shabazz Muhammad?

Some similarities between his dad and Marinovich's.

LA Times article on the dad's involvement in Muhammad's life.

http://www.latimes.com/news/columnone/la-fi-shabazz-muhammad-inc-20130322-dto,0,3133186.htmlstory


Not in the article is the interesting fact that his sister landed a big sponsorship contract from Adidas for tennis, even though she never climbed higher than 348.


And for those nostalgic for 1988, the Marinovich article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1127063/index.htm

skills in college in basketball are much much much easier to translate to the pros better than football. Not the same situation

Marinovich failed in the NFL because he drank a lot, smoked a lot, and got into LSD.

The comparison is the father and those around doing everything they can do develop their son for a pro career. After being catered to his whole life, and always being the man on the team, can Muhammad successfully play a role on an NBA team.

I'm going to predict that he can't, unless he gets into a really strong organization.

imagine the hundreds/thousands of kids with similar parents but don't have the athletic skills. Those kids probably wind up with some real mental issues later in life.

Iowaggie,

Shouldn't you be watching the NCAA Wrestling Quarterfinals today?

Interesting read about Shabazz Muhammad. I see where his lousy attitude comes from.

I don't think the Marinovich's cheated (lying about age).

Cheating is wrong...

Knowing how the system works and taking advantage of every opportunity you have is the right thing to do. It's not really that fine of a line.

As a parent, you need to help your kids be successful in life (means different things to different people). I am all for setting my kids up for success...which ultimately means some level of balance in life.

The book Outliers is an interesting read on this general topic.

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skills in college in basketball are much much much easier to translate to the pros better than football

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Please clarify.
I think Basketball is the hardest sport to go pro (NBA) in.... by far. More people are competing for a much smaller field.

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Shouldn't you be watching the NCAA Wrestling Quarterfinals today?

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That is one of the craziest atmospheres to ever be a part of. Very passionate fans that drink a lot and always ready to do a single leg takedown on someone they disagree with.

Penn St ain't losing.

Cael Sanderson is as great of a coach as he was a wrestler. Penn State is looking sharp.

I can't wait to see Alan Gelogaev clean up at HW for OSU. Even with the injury setbacks he's suffered Jarod Trice and Tony Nelson got nothing for him if they wrestle. Those guys are good, but their not Russian good.

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Please clarify.
I think Basketball is the hardest sport to go pro (NBA) in.... by far. More people are competing for a much smaller field.

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When you're thinking about making (and staying in) the NBA, of course the odds of doing so are much worse in terms of the common man. There are only so many roster spots on 30 teams.

But when you think about making (and staying in) the NBA in terms of a young/elite athlete, the odds are much greater than in other sports.

To me, football is the hardest sport to stay in if you've managed to make a team. The way the contracts are structured and the way injuries happen make it one of the shortest careers in sports on average.

Basketball on the other hand. If you've had any kind of buzz or are an elite athlete or flash ANY kind of potential, a team will take a shot on you. The CBA has changed those atrocious contracts from the 90's and 2000's, but you still see guys like DeAndre Jordan and Jeremy Lin (hate using them as examples) lock down crazy contracts despite having not shown much.

Barring injury, Shabazz Muhammad will have at least 4 or 5 years in the NBA at the absolute minimum because he was once the best player in high school and likely the best player individual player in college basketball despite the system/coaching he's stuck with.

It's the same reason why guys like James White, Gerald Green, Shaun Livingston, Sebastian Telfair, etc. are still on NBA rosters.

It's also the same reason why guys like Noel Devine, Pat White, Vernon Gholston, Troy Smith, Jahvid Best, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, etc. will never get a second or third chance.

"Basketball on the other hand. If you've had any kind of buzz or are an elite athlete or flash ANY kind of potential, a team will take a shot on you."

I disagree with that part..... Agree with the rest.
Antidotal evidence below:
I have a guy on my team that signed a 10 day contract with the mavs back in the late 90s. The guy never played a minute. He is huge (6'7+ amd 250+), best shooter I have ever seen in person and still a great athlete at 40+.

I have played some relatively competitive ball against a lot of D1 guys, foreign pros, etc..... And this guy is the best I have played..... And he could just sniff the NBA...

Getting in is almost impossible.

I also played with Robert Johnson from rice. He was a top 20 scorer in NCAA his sr year( 97 or 98). He was an amazing athlete 6'3 and I saw him touch is head on the rim. I also saw him bench 225 12+ times. He never got a sniff.

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Cael Sanderson is as great of a coach as he was a wrestler.

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And he's a good person. Unlike the Brands boys at Iowa. As much as I respect Dan Gable, I think Tom Brands is an ass. It makes me real torn on cheering for the program.

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I've never met the Brands personally, but I've seen Tom Brands' instructional DVDs. His tough guy act really rubs me the wrong way. My high school coach was just like him with a major case of "little man syndrome."

After Brands completed his eligibility he was training for the Olympics and a GA coaching with the team. he would enter intramural wrestling, and there were plenty of dumbasses who would want to see how they would fare against an Olympic wrestler. He would make them cry.

That's not why he's an ass, but he is.


Also, your man Gelogaev got decisioned by the Nelson.

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Also, your man Gelogaev got decisioned by the Nelson.

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Nice escape by Nelson to turn that match around. It will be interesting to see what these guys do after college.

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It's also the same reason why guys like Noel Devine, Pat White, Vernon Gholston, Troy Smith, Jahvid Best, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, etc. will never get a second or third chance.

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bingo.

once you get in with the NBA and were some former super stud prospect (see shabazz), you will probably be collecting 400+K a year for at least 4 years, and if you just keep quiet and play your cards right, you'll be in the league a decade. My really good friend, Garrett Temple, is playing for the wizards, and he's been getting looks in the league for 2+ years. He'll keep getting 10 day contracts and full year contracts until he's 30

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Nelson won heavy. It is the 5th time Minnesota has won the heavyweight division since Brock Lesnar won it in 2000.

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Nelson won heavy. It is the 5th time Minnesota has won the heavyweight division since Brock Lesnar won it in 2000.

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Impressive run for the Gophers. Even if Nelson is a staller and a runner he went through the strongest HW field since Steve Mocco, Tommy Rowlands, Cain Velasquez, and Cole Konrad.

Interesting that you mention Lesnar. People who only know him as the pro wrestling star have no idea what a beast he was on the mat.

Gelogaev ended up finishing 3rd in a pretty darn good showing by OSU. Rumor is that he is headed off to work on Wall St. I really wish that he'd go back to Russia and train with Satiev for the Olympics.

If you don't mind me asking, are you a former wrestler?

I have wrestled when I lived in Iowa when I was young, but I'm not a wrestler. That is a different culture, and while I had plenty of friends that were wrestlers, I hated ever going anywhere with them, if they weren't starting fights, they were always grabbing your arm or trying to pull a single leg on you.

This is a weird thread

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STRENGTHS

 Tall rush end/linebacker hybrid with nice length and a frame still not maxed out. Has played in a stand-up and hand-down role and threatens quarterbacks from either side of the line. Good snap anticipation and initial quickness to threaten the edge. Flashes the punch and arm extension to bull tackles backwards. Possesses the ability to flatten down the line as a pass rusher. Shows the flexibility to bend the edge as a pass rusher and get skinny and reduce his surface area through creases on the inside. Good second effort even when beaten with initial hand play, can close on quarterbacks and running backs coming to his side and he chases from the back side. Presents good bend for his size in a three-point stance. Length and increased upper-body strength helps him reach ball carriers and pop/drag them down with authority. Excellent at inside stunts and slant. Quickness helps him win the B-gap even when lined up outside the tackle, also helps him get to the sideline to chase down ball carriers. Tight ends have little chance of handling his rip move on the outside. Moves well when standing up, has the change of direction ability to contain on his side, handle himself against tight ends off the line and in short zone coverage as a 3-4 ‘backer. Breaks down and drops his drops to stone backs in the hole or catch them if they try to elude him. Anchors against linemen in the run game, holds the edge adeptly. Excellent upside.

WEAKNESSES

 Hand usage should improve with time, will allow better tackles to get their punch inside at times to knock him back a bit. Can play high, failing to anchor and getting knocked aside or to the ground by stronger linemen, especially when moving laterally. Still learning to use his flexibility to turn the corner consistently, and needs to use his spin move (and keep his balance during it) to prevent getting taken outside the pocket too often. More of a coordinated and fluid athlete than a downright explosive one. Doesn’t like to hold his ground and set the edge on runs at him, preferring to run himself upfield or dance around the block. A lot of his production and success came from slanting inside, is he a consistent edge threat? Lacks athletic upside.

NFL COMPARISON

 Robert Ayers

BOTTOM LINE

 The pass rusher his teammates call “DaMonster” looked like a potential star even while he backed up 2010 Butkus Award winner and No. 2 overall pick in the 2011 draft, Von Miller. After one season as the Aggies’ top rush linebacker (17.5 tackles for loss, 8.5 sacks in 2011), he moved to defensive end for new head coach Kevin Sumlin, developing into one of the most destructive defensive players in the country. He lacks edge athleticism, but Moore wins with a great motor and has flashed hand use to disengage.

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Bazz is an out of shape, undersized 3 in the NBA.


Europe is nice.