Watching OKC vs SA play it out and hear the announcers talking whether Ginobili is a Hall of Famer or not.

3× NBA champion (2003, 2005, 2007)
2× NBA All-Star (2005, 2011)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2008, 2011)
NBA Sixth Man of the Year (2008)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2003)
Euroleague champion (2001)
Euroleague Finals MVP (2001)
All-Euroleague First Team (2002)
Italian Cup MVP (2002)
2× Italian League MVP (2001–2002)
2× FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team (2002, 2006)
2× Olimpia de Oro (2003–2004)
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors (2008)
Diamond Konex Award (2010)

Would you vote him in?

Yup. And that list doesn't even include his olympic gold medal.

As discussed in each year's Spurs thread, the basketball HOF uses world accomplishments to determine eligibility.

As much complaining as there was about the whole way baseball elects their HOF, it sure beats whatever the hell basketball does theirs. It is a crazy hodgepodge of foreign, pro, college, men, women, refs, contributors, statisticians, etc.

Manu easily has the credentials to get in.

Even that R. William Jones is in the HOF, and he messed up the 1972 Olympics

Yes, he's in.

Hell yeah he's in!! No question

He wouldn't get into a hypothetical NBA HOF, but his international credentials should put him in the basketball HOF.

I am biased but he still might make it into a hypothetical nba hall.

Hypothetical NBA HOF? Man people will try anything to discount the guy.

Not trying to discount the guy. He was a very good player and a heck of a lot fun to watch.

I have high HOF standards and I just do see Manu on the same level as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, etc who were perennial MVP candidates.

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I have high HOF standards and I just do see Manu on the same level as Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, etc who were perennial MVP candidates.

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so your hypothetical hall of fame has roughly 15 people in it? and at least 3-4 of them were lakers in their prime? i'm glad you don't make these kinds of decisions.

no one has ever called manu a top 10/15 player in nba history, but you have to be crazy to discount a three time nba champ who is probably one of the top 2/3 foreign players ever.

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Hypothetical NBA HOF? Man people will try anything to discount the guy.

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He's a two time all star and a two time all nba 3rd team. Give me a break. He's a great player but its absurd to act like this guy should be in a hall of fame based on his nba credentials alone

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Hypothetical NBA HOF? Man people will try anything to discount the guy.

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He's a two time all star and a two time all nba 3rd team. Give me a break. He's a great player but its absurd to act like this guy should be in a hall of fame based on his nba credentials alone

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If the guy wasn't foreign, we're not even having this conversation

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Hypothetical NBA HOF? Man people will try anything to discount the guy.

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He's a two time all star and a two time all nba 3rd team. Give me a break. He's a great player but its absurd to act like this guy should be in a hall of fame based on his nba credentials alone

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based on his nba credentials alone

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And if the BASKETBALL HOF based their voting on NBA credentials alone, you might possibly have a well thought out and constructed point.

Jamaal Wilkes is in the HOF. 3x All-Star, 0x All-NBA.

Ralph Sampson. 4x all-star, 1x all-NBA. Under 500 games played.

Arvydas Sabonis. Under 500 games played, never an all-star, never All-NBA.

Drazen Petrovic. Never an All-Star, All-NBA 3rd team once.

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He's a great player but its absurd to act like this guy should be in a hall of fame based on his nba credentials alone

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I agree that he wouldn't make it into the hall on NBA credentials alone. That wasn't my argument.


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But with Soup's argument, now I'm not so sure. haha

While we are on hypotheticals, Manu could have very well been MVP of the '05 finals.

Ginobili is easily in based on all accomplishments. NBA only he's out. Love Manu and he was one of the best players in the league for a short stretch, but the combination of spending some of his best years overseas and the injury trouble drops him.

I wish the HOF was a little more exclusive though. There are 155 players in it, which means an average of three per year since 1959... that seems like a lot to me. Lets say the good players last around 10 years. Are there really 30 HOFers going at all times? When I look at the league today, I see Duncan, Bryant, James, and Durant for sure. With a real analysis I would probably end up with 2-3 more (since the exact cutoff is not the point, I'm not going to mention guys who could potentially be controversial) and the younger crop who will end up there hasn't proved it yet, but I look at a HOF being a lot closer to Bill Simmons' Pantheon than a list of 155 players. Around one per year, not three.

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based on his nba credentials alone

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And if the BASKETBALL HOF based their voting on NBA credentials alone, you might possibly have a well thought out and constructed point.

Jamaal Wilkes is in the HOF. 3x All-Star, 0x All-NBA.

Ralph Sampson. 4x all-star, 1x all-NBA. Under 500 games played.

Arvydas Sabonis. Under 500 games played, never an all-star, never All-NBA.

Drazen Petrovic. Never an All-Star, All-NBA 3rd team once.

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Everyone knows that it's basketball not nba. But some people act like he'd get in on nba accomplishments alone which is a load of bs

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based on his nba credentials alone

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And if the BASKETBALL HOF based their voting on NBA credentials alone, you might possibly have a well thought out and constructed point.

Jamaal Wilkes is in the HOF. 3x All-Star, 0x All-NBA.

Ralph Sampson. 4x all-star, 1x all-NBA. Under 500 games played.

Arvydas Sabonis. Under 500 games played, never an all-star, never All-NBA.

Drazen Petrovic. Never an All-Star, All-NBA 3rd team once.

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Everyone knows that it's basketball not nba. But some people act like he'd get in on nba accomplishments alone which is a load of bs

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Rally? Who has done that?

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based on his nba credentials alone

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And if the BASKETBALL HOF based their voting on NBA credentials alone, you might possibly have a well thought out and constructed point.

Jamaal Wilkes is in the HOF. 3x All-Star, 0x All-NBA.

Ralph Sampson. 4x all-star, 1x all-NBA. Under 500 games played.

Arvydas Sabonis. Under 500 games played, never an all-star, never All-NBA.

Drazen Petrovic. Never an All-Star, All-NBA 3rd team once.

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Everyone knows that it's basketball not nba. But some people act like he'd get in on nba accomplishments alone which is a load of bs

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Rally? Who has done that?

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I've met more than one person who thinks that. And your dumbass probably does too...for rall...

Im aware the hall is not just nba. All I said was the guy wouldn't make the hall by his nba accolades alone. Do you agree? If you do, then stop being a dick and go on with your life. Quit trying to argue over nothing

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If you do, then stop being a dick and go on with your life. Quit trying to argue over nothing

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Umm, you are the idiot that brought up a totally irrelevant and unprovable point to argue.

Keep it up, kiddo.

Yes, he's in.

Not even close. He's in for sure.

It's basketball hall of fame not NBA.

Manu probably doesnt quite get in based on nba alone. But his international accomplishments are borderline rediculus. His argentinia teams forced USA Basketball to completely revamp the way they put together teams.

Besides, you could argue that he would have been even better in the NBA if we wasnt spending his summers playing for his country. He's been a great player for a long time. Not good, great.

If you dont like how the HOF works then save your anger for better causes like when Laetner gets in for his NCAA accomplishments.

Best third option that played next to the greatest PF of all time ever.

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If you do, then stop being a dick and go on with your life. Quit trying to argue over nothing

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Umm, you are the idiot that brought up a totally irrelevant and unprovable point to argue.

Keep it up, kiddo.

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It's definitely provable bud. At least to people with brains.

TIL President David Palmer doesn't know what provable means.

I just realized you've posted here over 58000 TIMES!!!! This explains why you've taken to arguing with me over nothing! Because you have ZERO life and instead are just a jerk to people over the internet. Real coo bro

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Ginobili is easily in based on all accomplishments. NBA only he's out. Love Manu and he was one of the best players in the league for a short stretch, but the combination of spending some of his best years overseas and the injury trouble drops him.

I wish the HOF was a little more exclusive though. There are 155 players in it, which means an average of three per year since 1959... that seems like a lot to me. Lets say the good players last around 10 years. Are there really 30 HOFers going at all times? When I look at the league today, I see Duncan, Bryant, James, and Durant for sure. With a real analysis I would probably end up with 2-3 more (since the exact cutoff is not the point, I'm not going to mention guys who could potentially be controversial) and the younger crop who will end up there hasn't proved it yet, but I look at a HOF being a lot closer to Bill Simmons' Pantheon than a list of 155 players. Around one per year, not three.

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I agree three per year is too many. It should be more exclusive. But there are definitely more than 4-5 hall of gamers playing right now. Maybe you were just talking about lock hall of gamers who are in their prime and not counting young players who will grow to become hall of famers. But even then, you have Nash, dirk, wade, Garnett (I think he's overrated but apparently noone else does), etc to add to your list. I think all of those are rightfully locks. That's not even mentioning the borderline players or any young guys. Obviously some of the young guys will become obvious hall if famers in the upcoming years.

So I'd say we have 14-15 legit hall of famers playing in any given year. So maybe it should average out to 1.5 players per year? I agree it definitely shouldn't be 3 though.

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But even then, you have Nash, dirk, wade, Garnett

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Like I said, I would probably end up with a couple more if I really wanted to argue about it. The problem is that once you start listing the Nash/Nowitzki/Wade/Garnett types, Howard is in, Chris Paul, Parker, and Westbrook are probably in, guys like Harden and Blake Griffin could easily end up with compelling cases, and even Carmelo Anthony might make the cut. That's 15 players without even counting all the young guns like Irving, Wall, Curry, Paul George, and Lillard; some of those guys are going to step up and be the class of the NBA.

If 90% of opposing fans who hate a player would still vote for him, then I think we have a strong candidate. That's true of Duncan or Bryant. Is it true of Nash or Wade?

Yea I get what you are saying. I think Nash/dirk are on a different level than Howard/harden/melo. Personally, I'm not crazy about wade and Garnett but I do think close to 90% would say they should be in te hall of fame. I don't think that's the case for Howard/harden/melo, at least not up to this point. I think Chris Paul is straddling the two levels. I would currently say he is closer to the Howard/melo group, but it's a close call.

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Best third option that played next to the greatest PF of all time ever.

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Manu would have been a bonified super star and a consistant MVP candidate if he was on a different team where he was the number one star. I truly believe that he played at that level for 5 to 7 years.

As for HOF voting, most think Ray Allen is a lock. Im pretty sure we've had that debate on here. Manu is in.