Team A has the ball on offense. They have already crossed the half court line. A player on Team A passes it. It deflects off of a Team B player, then deflects off of a Team A player, and rolls into the back court. Team A picks it up in the back court. Is that a violation?

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Team A has the ball on offense. They have already crossed the half court line. A player on Team A passes it. It deflects off of a Team B player, then deflects off of a Team A player, and rolls into the back court. Team A picks it up in the back court. Is that a violation?

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Not a violation as you have described it.

Team A must be in clear possession of the ball prior to it crossing back over the timeline for it to be an over-and-back.

In this instance, Team B caused the possession of the ball to be put into question (whether the deflection occurred due to them jumping a passing lane or it simply caroming off a body part). Team A's attempt to re-establish possesion appears to have failed by your choice of descriptor, so therefore it should be legal for them to retrieve the ball from the backcourt without a violation.

Somebody fact check me on this. At work and my sheety gov't computer isn't letting me access the site I want and it's been a little while since I took any sort of basketball course lol.

It is a violation.

Team A retains possession until Team B takes control of the ball or on an inbounds or after a shot before the rebound is secured.

Possession is not changed through a deflection or bad pass.

Possession has no bearing on backcourt violations.

If team A was the last team to possess it, then it's a violation.

I don't know what the rule says, but in the NBA if the defensive player deflects it they never call backcourt whether it touches the offensive player again or not.

Ditka, team possession has everything to do with backcourt violation.

Team A has possession until a shot is taken, a foul or violation occurs or team B gains possession. In OP's example, team B deflects the ball off of team A before it enters the backcourt. Team B never gained possession. If team A touches the ball first in the backcourt after touching it last in the frontcourt while having team possession, it is a violation!

It is absolutely not a violation. The deflection caused no team to be in control and it is at that point a loose ball. Anyone can touch it first at that point.

Possession doesn't have to change. It ceases and no team is in possession.

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Think of possession as "player/team control". Feel free to read up:

http://www.athletic-officials.com/basketball/advanced-officiating/rule-9-9-backcourt-violation/

It is a violation as described by OP.

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I don't know what the rule says, but in the NBA if the defensive player deflects it they never call backcourt whether it touches the offensive player again or not.

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This.

The letter of the rule may state that this situation is a back court violation, but it's never called.

lol bmart you actually think that's a violation? If the defense tips the ball and the offense doesn't regain possession before it goes backcourt it is not a violation.

AllThings12thMan,

The answer to your question depends on the level of play.

mAgnoliAg & others,

I'll refrain from personal comment, but the NBA is an exception to High School, College or International rules. I'm giving you rules as I played and officiated under (which was not NBA). I will leave you with this example of NCAA & High School Rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7kwF2NvtdY

You will find in the comments section:

A correct call on a backcourt violation in a Big 10 conference game between Purdue v. Michigan on January 24, 2013. Even though the defense deflected the ball, a deflection by the defense does not end team control rules under NCAA or NFHS rules. The offensive player was the last to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt, and was the last to touch the ball after it went into the backcourt.

The requirements for a backcourt violation call include;

1. Team control (and player control when coming from a throw-in)
2. Ball gains a frontcourt status
3. Team in control is the last to touch the ball while the ball has a frontcourt status.
4. Team in control is the first to touch the ball after the ball gains backcourt status.

NOTE: Under NBA rules, team control ends with the defensive deflect the ball, hence the reason the offense can retrieve the ball, even if it deflects off the offense before it heads into the backcourt. THIS IS DIFFERENT UNDER NFHS AND NCAA RULES.

Bmart dropping knowledge all over this thread.

Well this is pretty much an NBA board. I have seen tipped balls all the time in college and high school and it's never a backcourt violation.

It's not a backcourt violation. Even on non NBA basketball, if team A throws a pass, team B deflects the ball passed half court, and team A gets the ball, that is not a backcourt violation.

At least I have never seen any ref call a backcourt violation where the defensive team deflects the ball into the backcourt

That YouTube video is not an example of what OP is talking about. In my opinion, the michigN player regains possession of the ball in the front court and then takes it backcourt. That is a backcourt violation. However if the defender had hit the ball and then the Michigan player waited to pick it up until after it was already in the backcourt, that would not be a violation.

I hope Bmart never refs a game I care about. My tv may get broken knowing that he's making calls based on YouTube comments. Haha, jk with you Bmart.

OP said it was deflected off team A in the frontcourt and then next touched by team A in the backcourt, that is a violation in every league but the NBA. You are correct if team B is the last to touch it in the frontcourt or playing in the NBA.

I've never seen it called even if it's deflected off team A before going to backcourt. I'll admit you could be right, but it seems like I would have seen that at least once in my 20 years of playing/watching high school and college basketball.

Regardless, this is an NBA first site.

Even going by those 4 elements it's not a backcourt violation bc team A is not in control once team B deflects ball.

It's a violation according to high school rules, I know that. I thought it was in the NBA as well, but I don't really know.

Team A is the team that officially possesses the ball until team B gains possession, there is a score, a foul, or an out of bounds. If team A is in possession and is the last to touch it, it's a violation.

Bose Ikard is right. Team control is not affected by a defensive deflection, as I've said. I've looked around more than I'd like to admit for an NBA example that says it is not a violation, can't find one. I can find dozens for high school and college that says it is. Those claiming it is not, feel free to site your evidence. I have sighted evidence, that and experience and actual official training have said it is

I've never read the rule book but I've seen a violation called many times in highschool games. If the offense touches it last it's a violation.

Not so much in the NBA. I'm not sure why.

A good example is Team A player is dribbling in the front court. Team B play slaps the ball off Team A players foot and it rolls into the backcourt. Team A retrieves and gets the violation. I've see this many times in highschool.

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So, long story short...tbird was right.

Quite the opposite tbird...bmart was right...a violation in any league, except maybe the NBA.