If steph curry has a few more seasons like this, and starts to tail off after he turns 30, having all star but not amazing season, where do you think he will end up being all time, will he be the best point guard ever, best shooter ever?

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best point guard ever

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best shooter ever?

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best point guard ever

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best shooter ever?

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yes

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Somewhere better than Reggie Miller/Ray Allen but not as good as Kobe Bryant.

But if you talk about best players at their peak. Not whole career, then what he's doing right now is very high up there.

Are we calling him a PG or a SG?

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Given that Steph's current season surpasses the best Magic season

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Curry is averaging 31/6.6/5.3/2.1

Magic had a

• 22/9/9/3.4
• 19/9.5/9.6/2.7
• 17/11/9/2.2
• 18/13/7/2.2
• 18/13/6/1.5
• 19/13/6/1.6
• 24/12/6/1.7
• 20/12/6/1.2
• 23/13/8/1.8
• 22/12/7/1.7
• 19/13/7/1.3

Those are eleven pretty awesome seasons strung together and represent every season he played other than the half season comeback and his rookie year (when he was Finals MVP and averaged 18/7/8/2.4)

Which one of Magic's seasons is this Curry season better than?

I argue every one of them. Look at PER to compare the seasons

Yeah, I don't know. Averaging a triple double while leading the league in steals is pretty special.

Definitely a special season, but I think Steph's current season is better especially considering how his numbers could be even bigger if he played more 4th quarters

From a shooting perspective what Steph Curry is doing is completely historic. But 30, 6 + 5 is not a ridiculously untouchable season. Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, LeBron James, and Kobe Bryant all put up similar seasons if not better.

But not at the efficiency with which he's doing.

From 87-93, Jordan had a PER lower than 29.7 once, with a 27.7.

There is no one in the world that would take Curry's 30/6/5 over Jordan's 33/8/8/2.9 or his 35/6/6/3.2 or his 34/7/6/3, etc.

I'm not saying Steph is better than Jordan. I thought we were discussing PGs...

His assists don't compare to prototypical PGs like Stockton and Magic because GSs offense (like SA) is based on quick movement by all players more than solely facilitated from the PG position

My guess is that he'll likely be able to have a long career like Ray Allen which will help his case for where he stands.

Jump shooter, hard worker, and appears to have a life style that won't hurt the back end of his career. Plus the NBA does protect players like him.
Not sure what the ankle situation is anymore, but that seems to be a non-issue now a days.

I will say that in discussions about greatest ever, some folks don't value longevity and availability as much as others. I think it is incredibly important, but that may be why I think Kareem is underrated.

It's not always about stats. If he keeps this up for 2 more seasons, he'll have 4 straight NBA Championships and 4 straight MVPs. That's going to put him among the best, regardless of stats. Obviously that's very premature at this point, but seems pretty plausible with the way things are going right now. Of course it seemed like Miami was going to rip off 5 in a row a few years ago too, and we saw how that worked out.

He's already proven to be the best shooter of the three point era if not ever, but that's a specific skill. IMO you have to do a lot of things well for a long time before you can be in the argument for best at a position.

It's interesting because in my opinion he's doing this with less talent around him than most of the other great teams.

And I might be selling Kerr short but the other great teams had Phil, Pat, Red as head coaches. That's the elite of the elite coaches.

Just amazing what this Warriors team is doing. One of the most fun teams to watch in a long long time.

First they've got top line talent for sure. No Steph and they are still a top 3 team in the West IMO. Re: Kerr, he's elite as a coach... That team finds and takes the best shot possible more than any other team in the NBA right now by a wide margin. You don't see that type of unselfishness in the NBA without an elite coach.

Kerr is obviously very good. But it's early to say if he's on the level of Phil Jackson, Pat Riley, or Red Aurebach (sp?). That's who I am comparing him to. Which means he's already great. But did these other teams have better coaching with those 3 than Kerr? IMO yes.

And GS is talented. Can't get to 70 wins with average players and 1 superstar. But is anybody on Pippen's level? I don't think so. Is anybody on McHale's level?

Perhaps the GS team is closer in talent after the superstar to the 08-09 Lakers.

Just shows to me how great Steph is.

Golden State's #2 scorer has the NBA record for points in a quarter.
Their 6th Man was the Finals MVP, was an All-Star and First Team All-Defense.
Their PF is such an excellent passer, he actually leads the team in assists and was 2nd in voting for DPOY.
One rotation player is a former 6MOY
Their center has led the league in blocks and has been All-Defense and All-NBA.

There is a lot of talent on that team.

Of course there is. They are about to go 74-8 or so and if they win the championship will have the greatest team of all time.

I just think some other teams had a better supporting cast. Specifically any of the Jordan teams with Scottie Pippen who is an all-time great in his own right.

I don't know if I would say the Bulls had the best talent around Jordan. Pippen is generally underrated and was a tremendous player.

Look at the 67 win 1992 Bulls. Pippen is great. Grant was pretty good, but was never an All-NBA player and only once an AS (Jordan's first baseball year.) The rest of that team? Meh. BJ Armstrong was their 3rd best player. Cartwright, Williams, Paxton, King, Purdue, McCray, Tucker - No one was especially good at anything with the exception of Paxton at threes, but he only shot 41 all season.

I'd trade Pippen and the rest for the 16 Warriors sans Curry and that 92 Bulls team would be significantly better.

I was referring more to the 2nd 3peat Bull's squads. Pippen, Kukoch & Rodman are pretty formidable.

Hard to tell how good these players were though or how good their superstars made them look

Take 96 - the best team.

Jordan/Pippen
Rodman worked well in this role, but he isn't a player you could put on any team and have him flourish. I know this all too well as a Spurs season ticket holder in the 90s. He was a terrific rebounder, COULD be a terrific defender (both on ball and help) when he wanted to be, but gave you virtually nothing else. With Jordan/Pippen/Kukoc/Kerr, you didn't really need anything else. But he was a huge black hole on offense and would often be disinterested or spend the possession just waiting to get in position for the rebound. He worked well here because Jordan and Phil were both able to keep him in check for the most part. There was a reason the Spurs were not sad to see him leave for a backup center.
Kukoc was a good 3rd scorer. Nothing special.
Kerr was a special spot shooter. Nothing else on that team was all that special. Just role players that likely could have been swapped for a number of other players.

I think I still might take the 16 Warriors non-Currys over the 96 Bulls non-Jordans.

Klay+Draymond+Iggy+Barnes+Bogat vs Pippen+Rodman+Kukoc+Harper+Longley?

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Given that Steph's current season surpasses the best Magic season

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Curry is averaging 31/6.6/5.3/2.1

Magic had a

• 22/9/9/3.4
• 19/9.5/9.6/2.7
• 17/11/9/2.2
• 18/13/7/2.2
• 18/13/6/1.5
• 19/13/6/1.6
• 24/12/6/1.7
• 20/12/6/1.2
• 23/13/8/1.8
• 22/12/7/1.7
• 19/13/7/1.3

Those are eleven pretty awesome seasons strung together and represent every season he played other than the half season comeback and his rookie year (when he was Finals MVP and averaged 18/7/8/2.4)

Which one of Magic's seasons is this Curry season better than?

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You are ignoring defense entirely?

I think the warriors are talented, but that they would a 6-10 seed without Curry. Draymond Green is great when he gets the ball on the move with a little space. Same with Thompson. Green and Iggy are great defenders. Livingston is a tremendous player off the bench. But only Curry creates the first crack in the defense that leads to the ball whizzing around. I don't think either Thompson or Green are the caliber of first option to lead a top three seed. The defense would obviously still be very good without Curry, but I think the offense comes apart without him.

You are selling Green and Thompson way short. Green leads the league in triple doubles this season and Thompson was like a 42% 3 point shooter the year Curry mostly missed... And that was Thompson's rookie season. He's a tremendous shooter and a creator in his own right.

What a lot of people don't conceptually understand about this Warriors team is the depth that they have. Harrison Barnes, for example, is probably a viable 2nd guy on a contender if he's lined up with a great PG... He's a huge talent and is like their 4th guy. They are like the perfect storm of talent, coaching and luck right now.

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You are ignoring defense entirely?

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Curry is not an elite defender and defense is much tougher to quantify. Beyond that, defense in the early 80s and defense today is on opposite ends of the spectrum.

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You are ignoring defense entirely?

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Curry is not an elite defender and defense is much tougher to quantify. Beyond that, defense in the early 80s and defense today is on opposite ends of the spectrum.

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I have no dog in this fight, but Curry is an awful defender.