The Astros will win the world series before the rangers do.

This truth brings me happiness

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The bright side is we can get a high draft pick and play our farm system now!!

You know how that feels right!

You realize the Rangers are 1.5 games out of the WC?

You realize the Rangers could win today against Sanchez who is returning from the DL... Playing a Detroit team on a 4 game losing streak.

That would put the Rangers at .500.

ALL that, while the Rangers have 15 players on the DL and only 4 players in the field who were expected on the Roster (Beltre, Andrus, Choo, Rios).

Holland's return could come and with June 5th only weeks away... could add Kendrys Morales.

OR... they could dump the season and stock the farm.

Agree with OP

Truth

Feels like I wandered over to baylorfans.

Both teams are sh*t.

Why are we talking about this?

The question is why are we just now talking about this?

10-39 is probably why

Nope, it's actually not

The Arlington rangers window of opportunity is closing and may have actually already closed.

The Rangers should be a cautionary tale for the Astros more than anything else. The Rangers are proof that having a highly regarded farm system does not guarantee success. It especially doesn't guarantee a World Series.

My main takeaway from the Rangers recent run is that it's insanely difficult to win the World Series. The Rangers did and have done a lot of things right, but the relatively few mistakes have cost them.

And of course, let's not act like the Rangers are done. They've traded away a lot of prospects, but they still have lots of young talent at all levels.

The Rangers made a great run at a World Series, they aren't a cautionary tale. They did it the right way and damn near pulled it off. There is no magic formula, if the Astros achieve that level of success over a 5 year period I'd be just fine with that.

NELSON CRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ!!!!!!!!!!


WHY WAS HE IN THE ****ING GAME!??!!?!??!!?!

I still say a cautionary tale because it's hard to actually win and when they had success relatively quickly, a lot of us had visions of dominating the AL West and being in serious contention every year for the next 10 years.

It's also important to remember that their 2010 and 2011 runs weren't really fueled all that much by their home grown prospects. Cliff Lee, Hamilton, Cruz, Vladdy, Colby Lewis, Napoli, Beltre... All FA or trades.

I'd say Texas has been in serious contention each of the last 4 years. World Series appearances in 2010 and 2011, favorite to actually win the thing in 2012 until the September swoon, and still leading the division and considered one of the 2-3 WS favorites in 2013 until the September swoon.

1 team has won 90 games or more each of the last 4 seasons - Texas.

They haven't been able to get over the hump, but they've certainly been in WS contention every year.

Exactly. 4 years in contention, and while this year will be a step back, JD has shown he knows how to build a great team and ownership has demonstrated the willingness to pay for it. And there is still talented youth under team control for a long time.

Yeah, y'all are right about being in contention. I think my expectations were just too high. Maybe that's actually the cautionary tale for the Astros. I definitely forget how good that 2012 team was.

My only point is that I think a lot of Astros fans see that the Rangers had the number one farm system and got turned around relatively quickly and are assuming that they'll be able to do exactly the same thing because now they have the top farm system. I'm not saying they won't be successful, but it's far from guaranteed just because you have a top tier farm system.

DA94 - ok so we are in contention. I will be totally shocked if we can hold it together the rest of the way.

It would be the feel good story of the year if we do!

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I'd say Texas has been in serious contention each of the last 4 years. World Series appearances in 2010 and 2011, favorite to acSeries during that stretch.lly win the thing in 2012 until the September swoon, and still leading the division and considered one of the 2-3 WS favorites in 2013 until the September swoon.

1 team has won 90 games or more each of the last 4 seasons - Texas.

They haven't been able to get over the hump, but they've certainly been in WS contention every year.

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Absolutely. I think they've been the most talented team in baseball for four or five years, but they haven't been able to win one World Series during that stretch. Like I was saying earlier, the window of opportunity is closing on the rangers and possibly already has. I'm surprised they didn't change mangers after the year they choked away that game 6 in the WS.



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Disagree on most talented. They've been in the top 5 or 6 for sure, but the Sox, Giants, Cards, and Tigers probably have just as much talent if not more in some areas.

SO much bad information:

Anyone who thinks this team is on the demise... probably doesn't really watch baseball.

We are at .500 and half our team is on the DL. 4 players on the field (Beltre, Andrus, Choo and Rios) were expected to play.
- SP: Darvish (2017), Holland (2018), Perez (2018), Tepesch (2018), Martinez (2020)
- 2B: Sardinas, Odor & Profar: Highly regarded.
- OF: Leonys (2018), Choo (2018)
- 1B\DH: Fielder (2018), Moreland (2016)
- Top Prospects:
-- Alfaro - One of the best Catching prospects. (ranked 54 overall by BA)
-- Gallo - Great 3B prospect
-- Luke Jackson - SP

The biggest problem for the Rangers has been Free Agency... Losing their #1 SP for 3 straight years hurts. Trade - The Rangers have something like 11 players they've drafted and traded off during this playoff run who are currently in MLB.

You may have a good 3-4 year wait if you think the Rangers are headed for demise.

Ronnie

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The Arlington rangers window of opportunity is closing and may have actually already closed.

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Before we write the Obit on the Rangers... let's have them not play more than 162 in a season.

Typical Houston people being Houston:

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I'm surprised they didn't change mangers after the year they choked away that game 6 in the WS.

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Cool

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It's also important to remember that their 2010 and 2011 runs weren't really fueled all that much by their home grown prospects. Cliff Lee, Hamilton, Cruz, Vladdy, Colby Lewis, Napoli, Beltre... All FA or trades.

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The 2010 and 2011 Rangers are about as home grown as you get.

CLee: 15 GS in his Rangers career.
Hamilton: He came to the Rangers in a trade than many believed the Rangers got taken. It was in 2008... Hamilton had 90 MLB GP and many believed he'd never play an entire season.
Cruz: Traded to the Rangers in 2006, projected to be a AAAA player... the Rangers in fact exposed him DFA... nobody wanted him so he came back to the Rangers.
Lewis was originally the property of the Rangers who was unable to sign with another MLB team... went to Japan... came back to the Rangers.
Vladdy, Napoli and Beltre were all nice additions. But, you missed again.
Vladdy only played 2010.
Napoli came in 2011, essentially to replace Vlady.
Beltre came in 2011.



2010 Rotation:
CJ Wilson - 33 GS \ 3.35 ERA: Drafted 5th Rd Rangers
Colby Lewis - 32 GS \ 3.72 ERA: Rangers 1st Rd
Scott Feldman - 22 GS \ 5.48 ERA: Rangers 30th Rd
Tommy Hunter - 22 GS \ 3.73 ERA: Rangers 1st Rd
Derek Holland - 10 GS \ 4.08 ERA: Rangers 25th Rd

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Harrison - 6 GS \ 4.71 ERA: Drafted by Atlanta 3rd 2003. Traded to Rangers in 2007. MLB debut in 2008
Nippert - 2 GS \ 4.29 ERA: Drafted by Az in 15th Rd 2002. Traded to Rangers in 2008.

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Harden - 18 GS \ 5.58 ERA
CLee - 15 GS \ 3.98 ERA


2011 Rotation:
CJ Wilson - 34 GS
Colby Lewis - 32 GS
Derek Holland - 32 GS
Scott Feldman - 2 GS

Harrison - 30 GS
Ogando - 29 GS <- Ogando was a Rule V OF acquisition by the Rangers in 2005. They converted him to SP and fought legal battles to get him re-instated to MLB, due to a marriage scam being done in island countries. He made his MLB debut in 2010.

Mountain

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I will be totally shocked if we can hold it together the rest of the way.

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Not me.

[This message has been edited by DallasAg 94 (edited 5/23/2014 4:23p).]

Dallas, you're missing my point I think. My point is that when the Rangers were in the World Series their big time, well known prospects were just starting to scratch the major league level. Having a great farm system is not what got them to the World Series. My only bigger point is that if I were an Astros fan, I'd want to be aware of the fact that having a good farm system isn't a guarantee of success in and of itself.

The very good and very deep farm system made it possible to trade away teixeira, trade for hamilton and trade for lee. Vladimir and Cruz are about the only two additions that didn't have much to do with having a great farm system.

It got kinda quiet in here on the way to celebrate the Rangers' demise.

3-1 against the best team in the AL.

Bragging about a series win in May? Yep that's ranger fans.

Kind of like a of an "astros will win a world series before the rangers" thread after their first series win in 6 years?

I love the asssholes that are the keepers of fandom. Cowboy fans are like sips. Ranger fans are bandwagoners. But gawdammit the true fans are Aggie Astros Texan fans.

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Kind of like a of an "astros will win a world series before the rangers" thread after their first series win in 6 years?

I love the asssholes that are the keepers of fandom. Cowboy fans are like sips. Ranger fans are bandwagoners. But gawdammit the true fans are Aggie Astros Texan fans.

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don't you dare lump Aggies into that bull**** you did at the end of your post.

I'm an Aggie, but I'll also be the first to admit we have the market cornered as well as any on holier than thou fandom. Sometimes we're right. Sometimes we're not.

Just don't have Darren Oliver in your bullpen and you should be ok

Were still here DA94. It's good to see the team banding together and playing hard.

Good to hear. :-)

This team is looking more and more like 2010...

You've gotta earn your right to have ABs... and to get IPs.

^ lol no chance y'all are going deep this year.

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^ lol no chance y'all are going deep this year.

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Ya because the stros are taking the division this year