Rangers possibly shopping players?

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Doctor51
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/rangers-assessing-trade-value-of-core-type-players.html

Who of this would you trade and for what in return??

Andrus
Rios
Soria
Beltre
Darvish
DannyDuberstein
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Darvish is the only untouchable there. They have team options on Rios and Soria for next year. I'd want guys that are basically MLB ready in return though.
DallasAg 94
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If the Ranger don't get things rolling, I would empty the bench going full Tampa Rays. I don't care what the DMN article or anyone talking about $$$ says... we should be able to get some serious talent.

What I posted on a previous thread:

Alex Rios - team option for 2015 ($13.5M): .319\3HR\13 SB
Joakim Soria - team option for 2015 (1.80\0.64 - 15 Saves)
G Soto - FA after 2014
Cotts - FA after 2014: (3.48\1.32)
Frasor - FA after 2014: (2.25\1.21)
Saunder - FA after 2014: (4.11\1.92)

I think calling up Pena is playing into that vein of showcasing players.

Add
Andrus (.271\2HR\18 SB)
Sardinas (.288)
Darvish
Feliz: 3.51 ERA in 25.2 IP

They could REALLY inject some incredible talent.

My opinions...
Darvish: I'd expect the 2-3 best players in any organization.
Rios: At worst 2-3 players in a team's Top 10.
Soto: No idea
Cotts: A player 5-10th in an org
Frasor: A player 5-10th in an org
Saunders: A player TBNL
Andrus: Top 5 player in an org
Sardinas: I see him being packaged with someone else to sweeten the Rangers haul.
Feliz: A player TBNL

I think if you dump that much... you are really going to look at 2016.
DannyDuberstein
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Why is calling up Pena in the vein of showcasing players? Hasn't hit in a few years and anyone could have had him. He's a warm body is what he is.
DallasAg 94
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I think his signing by the Rangers was a move of finding a warm body. He did well in AAA.

Most teams aren't going to sign that big of an unknown, if they are in contention... that is why Morales was signed.

However, you get Pena to get some ABs, other teams may find a spot for him. Even if nothing more than a PTBNL.
CampingAg
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Think there's a chance of sending Soria to Anaheim?
DallasAg 94
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I forgot to make a prediction on Soria, but would expect to get something nice and shiny, based on his success and option for 2015. Maybe a team's Top 5... Top 10 prospect?

Detroit, Balt, LAAAA would all be in the mix. It was nice for Wash to give Detroit a front row seat for an 8 pitch outing. :-)

I think in the NL... LAD and SF would also be in the mix.

[This message has been edited by DallasAg 94 (edited 6/25/2014 10:02a).]
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I say definitely trade Rios. You should be able to get a pretty good return there. It opens up a little bit of a hole, but it was going to be a hole in two years anyway. Probably the same thing with Soria. Relief pitchers are usually something you can fill in FA in the offseason, plus hopefully Scheppers will be your closer next year.

I'm not opposed to trading Andrus or Beltre, but I just don't know what kind of return you're going to get there. Those contracts are going to really reduce your market or you're going to end up paying part of the contract anyway.

If you plan to compete for a WS in the next two years, you obviously don't trade Darvish. I don't think they're that far away, so I say don't trade him. I hate even thinking about trading Darvish, but the haul you could get in return does make me drool a little bit.
DallasAg 94
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I'm not sure we trade Rios independent of other things.

What we have for 2015:
Choo (LF) \ Martin (CF) \ Rios (RF) <- Could be set for 2015.
Beltre (3B) \ Andrus (SS) \ Odor (2B) \ Fielder (1B) <- Could be set for 2015
Darvish \ Holland \ NMartinez (23) \ Tepesch (25) \ Open
Chirinos (C)

Relief on the way:
Choice (24-OF): 2015 <- Could replace Rios
Holland (27-SP): 2015 <- Desperately needed
Profar (21-SS): 2015 <- Could replace Andrus
Ross (SP): 2015 <- Sent to AAA to rebuild as a SP.

Gallo (3B): 2016 <- Kouz might be worth filling in 2015, but he'll be exposed, IMO.
Ryan Rua (3B\1B): 2016
Alfaro (C): 2016 <- Not close enough for 2015
Luke Jackson (22-SP): 2016
Chi-Chi Gonzalez (22-SP): 2016


If we believe we are done in 2014 but can compete in 2015...
We dump or resign
Soto
Cotts
Frasor
Saunder

If we believe we are done in 2014 and still several pieces away in 2015...
We also dump
Soria
Rios
Feliz


I think with the return of Holland, Fielder, et al... we should be fine in 2015. There are a ton of SPs who will be FAs... We'd definitely need to go there. That would appear to be the one major hole for 2015 that needs to be addressed.
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Our 2015 commits don't jump significantly from 2014. With Matt Harrison gone... that could get some flexibility.
Squirrel Master
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quote:
With Matt Harrison gone... that could get some flexibility.

Remains to be seen if Harrison ever pitches again... but his contract only goes up from here, not down. $13M for each of 2015-2017, $2M buyout for 2018.

mhayden
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You don't purchase the contract of Carlos Pena and pay him a salary in hopes that in the next 25 games he does enough to net you a PTBNL in a trade, which will then force you to bring up another minor leaguer to play 1B.

The Carlos Pena signing was nothign more than an example of how bad the injury situation had become in Texas (if Chris Snyder looking lost at 1B didn't tell you that already).

Anyone on the roster is available. While it would never happen, you bet your ass Texas would flip Darvish if they got offered the motherload. Keep in mind there's a realistic chance Darvish is only here 2 more seasons if he pitches like has been (Top 4 in the league). With 2014 essentially wasted and 2015 now a big question mark, if Rangers got their socks knocked off by a team that thinks they are primed to win it all THIS year as well as the next few, they'd consider it.

The big problem with 2014 is not just that everything went wrong with 2014, but that it suddenly decimated the Rangers long-term plans as well. They were sitting pretty the next few years with a rotation of Darvish/Holland/Harrison/Perez, Choo producing, Fielder raking and the top prospect in baseball at 2B.

Of those 7 key components of the 2015 and beyond Rangers, 6 of them are now going to be huge questionmarks in 2015 and beyond.

Holland - Will he be completely healthy in 2015, and even if he is -- is he the 3.40 ERA pitcher we saw in 2013 or the 4.60 ERA pitcher we saw in 2012?

Harrison - Will he even pitch again?

Perez - Likely a non-factor in 2015. How will he return from TommyJohn?

Profar - The struggles in 2013 were for the most part not a big deal because his youth allowed him time to adapt. He's still young, but he's now lost an entire year of experience.

Fielder - There's a legitimate chance that after surgery he never returns to the power threat that he once was.

Choo - Probably the least of Texas' worries, but the guy is batting 0.244 in the first year of a contract that was already assumed to be bad the last few years.



So Texas heads into 2015 with one true starter (thankfully, an ace), a big question mark at first base, a third baseman whose defense is becoming a liability, and an outfield comprised of a guy who is proving to be a platoon player (Martin), a guy hitting under the Mendoza-line (Choice) and a guy that you're likely going to move at the deadline (Rios).

Add to that you have very little financial flexibility because you gave long term deals to some of the same guys who are now big question marks (Harrison, Perez, Fielder, Choo, Holland). Insurance may help you out a bit, but not with it all.

I don't think Texas has the money to go after two legitimate starters in free agency. Not to mention they need two outfielders as well.

Not trying to play chicken-little here, but I don't think many casual fans have realized what happened in 2014 may very well have set the franchise back 3 years.

The hope? Fielder and Holland come back and look fine. The young guys continue to impress. Perez rehabs well and is back by 2nd half 2015.
DannyDuberstein
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Not chicken little at all given the devastating, long-term nature of several of these injuries. And you didn't mention Ogando. He hasn't been a centerpiece of the staff, but he's played an important role at times over the past few years.
mhayden
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If we're competitive in 2015 then:

A) Texas is a Top 5 team payroll

or

B) Texas farm system has proven to be as good as advertised.

or

C) JD pulls off some very shrewd moves at the 2014 deadline and in the off-season.


So while the franchise has certainly been set back, ownership, management and scouting have at least put them in a position to still field a competitive team.

Just cross your fingers.
DallasAg 94
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Remains to be seen if Harrison ever pitches again... but his contract only goes up from here, not down. $13M for each of 2015-2017, $2M buyout for 2018.

Insurance will help on the cost of Harrison. That will be the relief.

mhayden
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Harrison - Will he even pitch again?

I'm not counting on him ever pitching again. I think that is most likely the result.

Pena was certainly signed out of desperation. Snyder is a liability, certainly.

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The big problem with 2014 is not just that everything went wrong with 2014, but that it suddenly decimated the Rangers long-term plans as well. They were sitting pretty the next few years with a rotation of Darvish/Holland/Harrison/Perez, Choo producing, Fielder raking and the top prospect in baseball at 2B.


I agree mostly, which is why I suggested 2015 may be lost, as well.
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Not trying to play chicken-little here, but I don't think many casual fans have realized what happened in 2014 may very well have set the franchise back 3 years.



I wouldn't say 3 years... but certainly it affects 2015 and could push into 2016. It gives you a deer in the headlights concern about long-term positioning. We've now burned 2 years of Tepesch. The clock has started on Sardinas, Odor and Martinez. Guys supposed to be at AA.

Harrison - Gone forever
Holland - Should be fine in 2015... He was headed in the right direction and has jumped some hurdles.
Perez - He is likely a 2016 hopeful. He will return to throwing in May 2015... give him a year after that.

Thing is... by 2016, we are starting to look at Luke Jackson and Chi-Chi Gonzalez.

The rotation is always a work in progress. Having Darvish is nice. Nick Martinez seems to be where Harrison was at the same age. As Mike Maddux indicated quoting an old Dodgers' pitching coach, "there are two kinds pitchers. Those that have had surgery and those who will have surgery." Texas as a stable set of hopefuls. They won't all work out, but several making way through the system. In fact, I read where the Rangers have implemented a system wide (below AAA) directive limiting SPs. Everyone was limited to a 75 PC limit for one game and a 90 PC limit for the next. That is a good thing, IMO. The tendency is to keep pushing them, out of need.

I don't know about the hitters:
Martin: Played in 73 of 76 games. I don't see platoon... I see Wash getting a guy (Robertson) some ABs (22GP\46 AB).
Fielder: Certainly he will be better than Snyder\Moreland\Pena.
Choo: I think this whole shuffle has affect him. He is .190 hitting third (.273 OBP). .269 batting 1st (.409 OBP). During the game last night they indicatd he has expanded his strike zone... I don't recall exactly what they said, but something like the 2nd largest expansion of any player this season. I think it would be easy to attribute that to trying to step up with production.

Texas is in a bad place. They also have the fortune of telling some of these players they have an opportunity to earn a spot in 2015.

We have a month to determine if:
Do we have SP within: Martinez and Tepesch could earn a long-term role. Can Holland make an impact.
Can Odor continue to hit .300?
Can Profar be healthy for 2015?
Can Fielder return for 2015?

That will determine if 2015 is a go, or not.

I think that is what hinges for 2015. For there to be a longer term impact we'll have to see some of the prospects either get traded or falter (Buckel)

Beltre has earned his money. He has 2015 ($18M) commited, likely vesting in 2016 ($16M). Can he remain healthy? We have a role at DH waiting for him.

Rangers have $109M committed in 2015
Rangers have $89.6M committed in 2016

That means you can structure a Shields contract at the backend of the contract.

If they believe Gallo and\or Ryu are 2016 options at 3B, you move Beltre (or Fielder) to DH.

Knowing we could have an IF of Gallo\Profar\Odor\Fielder in 2016 is equally concerning and encouraging. And cheap.



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If we're competitive in 2015 then:


I agree on your options.

Not likely:
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A) Texas is a Top 5 team payroll



or
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B) Texas farm system has proven to be as good as advertised.

I think Odor affirms that, already. But as mentioned... we'll need more help

or

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C) JD pulls off some very shrewd moves at the 2014 deadline and in the off-season.

The last one could be an "and" instead of an "or." Meaning we could see both of the last two.

The Halos are looking for a LH RP (Cotts) and potentially a closer (Soria). Could be one place to find diamonds.

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So while the franchise has certainly been set back, ownership, management and scouting have at least put them in a position to still field a competitive team.


Agreed.
DallasAg 94
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Ok... so we've talked about dumping players...

What about the other way?

The Rangers have lost 7 straight putting it like 12 GB in the division... 6 GB for a WC spot.

As the Rangers start to potentially shuffle players... what do you want to see them add, that could help this season, if not next?

I think the Rangers' needs this season would be at least:
2-3 SPs (Lewis\Saunders\Martinez\Tepesch)
1B (Pena)
DH (Choice\Robertson)

I think they are fine:
OF: Choo-Martin-Rios
IF: Beltre-Andrus-Odor
C: Chirinos

Morales hasn't done much for Minn (.224\1HR). Pena could be serviceable... get back to me in a month.
We need 2 of 3 SPs to step up. We get Holland back hopefully. That could help.

David Price is always part of the rumors and still under team control for 2015. There are many SPs who will be FAs after the season who could be on the move (Cubs). Who could you see helping us.

Seems most soon to be FAs are playing on teams poised for the post-season (Shields, Lind, Morse).

JD has done a great job finding those players with team control that help more than one season. Hamels for instance.

Would you entertain a trade that included Profar and Hamels? A rotation led by Darvish-Hamels-Holland would be nice for the next few years. The cost could be shared through Philly picking up some $$$ and insurance from Harrison.

I'm not encouraging going after this season, but if we can move some pieces to maximize the success of this season... what can we do? Many have suggest "Major League ready" players coming back in trades.
DallasAg 94
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Games like today make you wonder if any player on the team is worth keeping next season.
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