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On a dropped 3rd strike, it's just like a passed ball/wild pitch 3rd strike... theoretically the runner can reach first base safely. On the plays where the catcher just drops it, it's mostly a formality. But there are balls that get away from the catcher where the runner is safe.
quote:Yeah, but my question was WHY? If any other pitch is wild, the runner doesn't get to just take off for first.
On a dropped 3rd strike, it's just like a passed ball/wild pitch 3rd strike... theoretically the runner can reach first base safely. On the plays where the catcher just drops it, it's mostly a formality. But there are balls that get away from the catcher where the runner is safe.
quote:You have to have a catch to make an out, whether it is a fly ball or thrown ball.quote:Yeah, but my question was WHY? If any other pitch is wild, the runner doesn't get to just take off for first.
On a dropped 3rd strike, it's just like a passed ball/wild pitch 3rd strike... theoretically the runner can reach first base safely. On the plays where the catcher just drops it, it's mostly a formality. But there are balls that get away from the catcher where the runner is safe.
Still don't get why a swing & a miss wouldn't just be strike three, regardless of where the ball went.
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If the pitcher proves so inept that he cannot make a good toss, he can be replaced by a more capable teammate. But what about an inept batter? The game can be brought to a halt by a sufficiently incompetent batter, unable to hit even these soft tosses. The solution is to add a special rule. The batter is given three tries to hit the ball (Der Schlger hat im Mal drei Schlge.) On his third try, the ball is in play whether he manages to hit it or not. He has to run toward the first base once he hits the ball, or he has missed three times (oder hat er dreimal durchgeschlagen). Either way, any fielder, including the pitcher, can retrieve the ball and attempt to put the batter out by throwing it at him. Thus a missed third swing is equivalent to hitting the ball.
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The three-strike rule in 1845 takes this form: "Three balls being struck at and missed and the last one caught, is a hand out; if not caught is considered fair, and the striker bound to run." This retains the logic of the rule in Gutsmuths, but with the possibility of the third strike being caught by the catcher: Should the batter swing at and miss three pitches, the ball is in play, just as if he had struck it. If the catcher catches the ball, either on the fly or on the first bound, then the batter is out. This is no different from if any fielder had caught a batted ball. If the catcher fails to catch the ball, the batter runs for first base, just as if a batted ball had gone uncaught.
quote:This is the definition of a foul tip -- a third strike tipped ball that is caught or controlled by the catcher. Batter is out, runners, if any, move at their own risk.
tipped into the catcher's glove
quote:Technically, yes. It is important to remember that with a runner on first and less than two outs, the runner is considered out. Once it gets to two outs, the runner on first must run with a force out situation being created at second. Once the bases are loaded, this creates a force at home. This can cycle dropped third strikes indefinitely in theory.
Infinity since a strikeout can potentially be a safe runner.
quote:quote:Technically, yes. It is important to remember that with a runner on first and less than two outs, the runner is considered out. Once it gets to two outs, the runner on first must run with a force out situation being created at second. Once the bases are loaded, this creates a force at home. This can cycle dropped third strikes indefinitely in theory.
Infinity since a strikeout can potentially be a safe runner.
The most theoretical strikeouts a pitcher could have in a CG shutout however: 6 per inning * 9 innings = 54 strikeouts. Every inning would have had 2 strikeouts that counted (dropped pitch or not), 3 dropped to load the bases, and another to get out of the jam.
Each single run scored on that pitcher then allows for one additional strikeout increasing to infinity. So technically the maximum theoretical number of strikeouts is Kmax = 54+RA-BB-H-Ecommitted. But that would get me kicked out of trivia....
quote:Just to clarify that a foul tip can occur on strike one and two, and it is a live ball so runners can advance at their own risk.
This is the definition of a foul tip -- a third strike tipped ball that is caught or controlled by the catcher.
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So, trivia question...
What is the maximum numbers of K's a pitcher can get in one game?
