Oh boy

I think he was pretty good...just overexposed because he played for NYY.

If your career is defined as "almost as good as Cal Ripken, Jr."....that's not the worst thing in the world.

pnsagdad said:

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I dont think I can ever consider someone who is in the 3,000 club "overrated"

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Well if you consider Jeter as good as say Barry Bonds or A-Rod then I'd say he's overrated.

AllThings12thMan said:

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I don't like the Yankees either, but that's gonna get you plenty of notoriety anywhere you go. Hard to get that upset about it.

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Ichiro is better defensively. Equally as good a hitter and he's no where close to the hype that Jeter has.

Seriously, Jeter could lead off an inning with a walk and then the next two get on base and then you see a grand slam walk off and the next morning's headlines read "Jeter's late game heroics spark Yankees victory!"

There is no way Jeter is "Jeter" if he played in Kansas City or Milwaukee or Tampa Bay or Rangers or or or or.

If he played for the Sox, he'd still be Jeter but not as good. Fenway isn't as forgiving a place to hit in as Yankee Stadium.

AustinAg2012 said:

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Aside from his 3,000th hit (HR to left), I'm still waiting for him to pull the ball. If he hadn't played for the Yankees, he wouldn't be so revered. The Jeter love was far overdone during his career, and definitely after. Heck of a player, but by no means a baseball god.

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Biggie was a god in Houston. We did the same with retiring his jersey. Was just not plastered all over ESPN

If you are a watching a Yankees broadcast, then it would be fine...but if Im watching the rangers and see Jeter bull**** during the game Ill be pissed.

I'm not a big "WAR" stat guy...but heard on the radio today...

Jeter's career WAR is only 2 points higher than Scott Rolen's. And 3 points behind Lou Whitaker's

W said:

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I'm not a big "WAR" stat guy...but heard on the radio today...

Jeter's career WAR is only 2 points higher than Scott Rolen's. And 3 points behind Lou Whitaker's

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Yep, Bagwell had a higher career WAR in 5 less seasons. Jeter got the full advantage of east coast bias.

PatAg said:

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If you are a watching a Yankees broadcast, then it would be fine...but if Im watching the rangers and see Jeter bull**** during the game Ill be pissed.

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This is fair. But you know it will.

I could see the Sox doing something - rivalry and all that. But other teams doing it seems overkill.

Greatest Yankee shortstop ever and depending on which WAR numbers you look at only Honus Wagner and Cal Ripken had higher numbers for any shortstop to ever play the game.

Andrus - Born Aug 26, 1988. 28yr 261d. Through last year, his 27th birthday - 2016.
Jeter - Born June 26, 1974. Through the year of his 27th birthday - 2001.

Andrus Career: 1,221 Games, 1,266 H, 207 Doubles, 37 Triples, 35 HRs, 241 SB
Jeter Career: 936 Games, 1,199 H, 188 Doubles, 38 Triples, 99 HRs, 135 SB

I'll catch back up after the season.

Elvis' WAR numbers are about 50 points behind Jeter's.

threeanout said:

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Elvis' WAR numbers are about 50 points behind Jeter's.

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Well, Jeter did have players like Soriano, Giambi, A-Rod, Sheffield, Abreu hitting after him.

Do you think Jeter was an average, above average or below average defensive SS?

He was very good. For sure. He put up very good numbers, well past his prime.

He won MANY games. But, some perspective ensures players like Clemens, Pettitte, et al deserve some credit.

Nobody thinks Jeter took and thus benefited from taking PEDs, but he certainly benefited from the HUGE (pun intended) number of players hitting behind him.

While with the Rangers, A-Rod tested for 2 PEDs in 2003, and MLB allowed him to continue to play and receive the MVP. He then went to the Yankees in 2004 where he hit basically 35HRs/.300 for the next 7 years. Giambi during that time was banging out 30 HRs/.270.

Add Gary Sheffield and his 35HRs/.290, and Soriano with 35HRs/.280.

You think Jeter got some pitches to hit? Absolutely. But, nothing about his numbers indicate he is a Baseball God beyond his 3,465 Hits.

_lefraud_ said:

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And oh yea, the amount of ass he has pulled will perhaps never be matched.

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Wilt Chamberlain may have an opinion to that.

Let's say Wilt didn't start sleeping with women, until he was 10. With death at 63, he'd have had 53 years to handle 20,000 women... That's about one woman every day. Not counting whether he banged them more than once.

I'll admit... even I have slowed my desire as I approach 50. It is one thing to be sexually active in your '60s... but to still average a new woman per day is quite impressive!

If the Astros had drafted Jeter, he would have been the one McClane/Hunsicker etc chose not to re-sign in FA.

Jesus some of y'all are stupid

I am not going to get in the pissing match over Jeter, but this is one of the best baseball plays I have ever seen.

I still think that ball gets there faster if Jeter never touches it...