Does anyone have a resume writing service they have used themselves and would recommend?

Still employed but would like to test the waters and nobody is going to hire me for my writing skills. Thats for sure.

TIA

https://alwayswrite.us/

I've used them for resume, thesis, and technical paper editing/formatting. I've been really please with their work. I believe they're based in Kerrville.

I've always written my own. I'll write you one for free for the practice if you want.

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Good god, if you can't explain what you do, then you don't know what you do.

J.P. 03 said:

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And it's not just needing to write your resume to impress a hiring manager any more. Nowadays, you have to write it in such a way to get noticed by the algorithms that screen candidates before a human being ever does.

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By the way, this is false lol. That doesnt happen.

Maybe only in your industry? I know someone who programs one of the major HR softwares (not Workday but aligned with some big companies) and they say that some of the bigger tech companies especially will screen through 1000s of resumes a month by algorithm that are never seen by human eyes.

You need to hit a lot of the keywords in the job description but it also needs to be succinct. Most people barely skim the first page and look at the main points.

Another recommendation for James Shelley. He posts here, so I'm sure he'll see this eventually.

utah, get me two said:

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Wrong

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Ive recruited for large fortune 100 companies, start ups, and everything in between. Never seen an applicant tracking system that had an AI bot that could auto-reject your resume based on key words or whatever. The truth is, most companies get very few qualified applicants to begin with, and I wouldn't trust an AI bot to determine which resumes are qualified or not.

Im not saying this type of technology doesnt exist, but the majority of companies/recruiters dont use it, and the technology isnt very good. I see a lot of people blaming AI bots for them getting rejected by a company, and more than likely it was a recruiter or HR person that looked at their resume and rejected it.

Madagascar said:

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Maybe only in your industry? I know someone who programs one of the major HR softwares (not Workday but aligned with some big companies) and they say that some of the bigger tech companies especially will screen through 1000s of resumes a month by algorithm that are never seen by human eyes.

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I currently recruit for a tech company, and I know recruiters at the FAANG companies. This type of technology isnt widely used. Think about it, why would recruiters want to use this type of technology. It makes our jobs obsolete.

J.P. 03 said:

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And it's not just needing to write your resume to impress a hiring manager any more. Nowadays, you have to write it in such a way to get noticed by the algorithms that screen candidates before a human being ever does.

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I read an article about this and how bad it had become. One of the big fall outs was anyone that had a 6+ month in employment got flushed by the algo. And this wasnt even in the before times but since covid.

With regards to getting help on writing a resume; some people need permission from a trusted professional (real or not) to state what they do at an appropriate level or the dunning Kruger effect/imposter syndrome kicks in and they are good enough in the profession that they don't think they are anything special.

If you ask me what I do, I'll tell you "I talk to people and write a report." If you ask some of my peers, they will go on about Sheparding executives through a qualitative risk management program that shapes billions of $ in budgets.

Duncan Idaho said:

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J.P. 03 said:

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And it's not just needing to write your resume to impress a hiring manager any more. Nowadays, you have to write it in such a way to get noticed by the algorithms that screen candidates before a human being ever does.

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I read an article about this and how bad it had become. One of the big fall outs was anyone that had a 6+ month in employment got flushed by the algo. And this wasnt even in the before times but since covid.

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I have a hard time believing this part is true.

I work for a tech company and am in the middle of hiring for a role. Our systems don't automatically filter anyone out. If you apply I will see it unless one of our internal recruiters rejects them before I get to it.

The biggest advantage one has is getting your name in the hat early. The first batch of people get reviewed the closest and once we find a few candidates we like and get the process started with them the people that apply after often get overlooked. I keep an eye on candidates that trickle in later and if any of them look really promising will react accordingly but they would have to be basically perfect on paper for me to try and hold everyone else up to get them caught up in the interview process.

Gordon McKernan said:

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I work for a tech company and am in the middle of hiring for a role. Our systems don't automatically filter anyone out. If you apply I will see it unless one of our internal recruiters rejects them before I get to it.

The biggest advantage one has is getting your name in the hat early. The first batch of people get reviewed the closest and once we find a few candidates we like and get the process started with them the people that apply after often get overlooked. I keep an eye on candidates that trickle in later and if any of them look really promising will react accordingly but they would have to be basically perfect on paper for me to try and hold everyone else up to get them caught up in the interview process.

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Thanks Gordon, this is my experience as a recruiter as well. It doesn't make sense to have an applicant tracking system that auto rejects candidates, we need all the qualified candidates we can get lol.

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"Nearly 50 percent of employers say they just exclude a candidate that has bigger than a 6-month gap in their employment history from consideration," Fuller said. "The algorithms are unforgiving."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/10/07/job-openings-left-behind/



Others along the same line.
https://m-cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/3/258900-algorithmic-hiring-needs-a-human-face/fulltext

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-14/help-wanted-hire-by-algorithm-software-could-weed-out-future-stars

https://hbr.org/2022/05/tap-the-talent-your-hiring-algorithms-are-missing

Duncan Idaho said:

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Quote:

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"Nearly 50 percent of employers say they just exclude a candidate that has bigger than a 6-month gap in their employment history from consideration," Fuller said. "The algorithms are unforgiving."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/10/07/job-openings-left-behind/



Others along the same line.
https://m-cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/3/258900-algorithmic-hiring-needs-a-human-face/fulltext

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-14/help-wanted-hire-by-algorithm-software-could-weed-out-future-stars

https://hbr.org/2022/05/tap-the-talent-your-hiring-algorithms-are-missing

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That entire article sounds like a bunch of bs. Yes, a lot of recruiters will reject someone with a 6 month gap on their resume, but there isnt an algorithm that does that automatically. I just talked to a recruiter at a FAANG company and she said shes never seen that type of technology. Im a 12+ year recruiter and I havent either.

In that article a harvard professor said 50% of employers say they will reject someone with a 6 month gap, how the heck does he know that? Dont believe everything you read.

Duncan Idaho said:

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You sound like a travel agent in 1998.

Is there a market for recruiters? Yes.

Is there a bigger market for an AI based algorithm that culls put the vast majority of applicants for a job? Absolutely.

For every client you have there are a 100 more that post a job on indeed or zip recruiter and want a very short list of candidates to go through.

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Im an internal recruiter for a tech company so I dont have "clients" lol. Again, this is my field and have never seen an applicant tracking system that has this type of technology. If you post a job on Indeed, they dont have an algorithm either that will auto reject candidates based on their resume.

I would be more than happy to be proven wrong if you can tell me which applicant tracking systems have this feature and which companies are using them.

Duncan Idaho said:

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Ok so for every one of you there are 10,000 companies that don't have the recurring staff that you have

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Again, would love to be proven wrong if you can show me which companies and applicant tracking systems have this type of capability. You used Indeed as an example, I use Indeed a lot and have never seen them auto reject candidates based on a resume, they dont have that feature.

I literally linked to 5 sources. You just don't like what you are seeing because it doesn't reflect your biases.

Companies like yours are the exception. Not the rule.

I'm not in recruiting but have been a hiring manager at a fortune 50 tech company, fortune 50 media conglomerate, and now a smaller but still ~$3.5B market cap consumer products company and literally have never seen or had peers whose have had algorithms in use for screening. I'm sure they exist. I've read articles that say they exist. I've never once had first or even second hand experience with them.

Take that for what it's worth to you but networking, LinkedIn connections, and getting in early have been FAR more important in both my personal job searches and in hiring than worrying about algorithm weeding.

littlebitofhifi said:

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I'm not in recruiting but have been a hiring manager at a fortune 50 tech company, fortune 50 media conglomerate, and now a smaller but still ~$3.5B market cap consumer products company and literally have never seen or had peers whose have had algorithms in use for screening. I'm sure they exist. I've read articles that say they exist. I've never once had first or even second hand experience with them.

Take that for what it's worth to you but networking, LinkedIn connections, and getting in early have been FAR more important in both my personal job searches and in hiring than worrying about algorithm weeding.

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Same here. I've been an internal corporate recruiter for large oil and gas and tech companies, as well as other small-mid size companies. I've used every single Applicant tracking system out there.I personally know hundreds and hundreds of recruiters across the US in various industries, and not one has ever worked with AI algorithms that could reject resumes. If this technology was so popular, you would think at least one person would come forward and say they've used it before.

This comes up on reddit all the time, people complaining that an AI bot rejected their resume, and recruiters always comment that this doesn't exist. It seems to be a media driven narrative to create drama about the hiring process, and show how the evil companies are discriminating against minorities and women.

Heck of a derail

Any other resume services that are capable of recommendation?

My wife works at a global top 15 tech company, but not in HR. She's pretty sure they don't use any kind of algorithm to autoreject. They do, however, use keywords searches to find applicants.