Who here buys mortgage notes?

2,636 Views | 13 Replies | Last: 3 yr ago by jagvocate
itsyourboypookie
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What's the good and the bad? Been shopping on a website that sells them and might pick this one up with my roth.

https://paperstac.com/for-sale/2023031318233146170347?fbclid=IwAR3sU8EB_E0uPgH07Ef4WmYYEnYcaKl7twZB1m2jQ0qeFSgAK9_VgXHLFOs&mibextid=ykz3hl
Casey TableTennis
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While researching this topic in the past, I found BiggerPockets.com to be a very solid resource and a good community to ask questions.
kingj3
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Help me understand why the current lienholder would sell that note, please.

It says the original loan balance is the 15k and the current balance is the 15k so why would they sell at a $2,000 loss?
Mas89
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Accident, Maryland. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
deadbq03
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kingj3 said:

Help me understand why the current lienholder would sell that note, please.

It says the original loan balance is the 15k and the current balance is the 15k so why would they sell at a $2,000 loss?
I think this speaks more to the state of the banking industry right now than it (necessarily) does to the quality of this loan if they're willing to take a loss 1 week after origination.
OldArmyCT
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I'd think at least twice before buying any unregistered note not sold thru an established brokerage or government website. But don't take my advice, I'm an old retired guy who's 100% invested in equities.
txaggieacct85
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I have family mortgages to two of my four kids and I'm working on the third.

I'm getting to the age where I needed to diversify my portfolio, so this was a win win for me and my kids.

Good for them because they get the AFR rate and avoid PMI, a bank, and a lot of closing costs including the origination fee, which is another bank scam.

A make a little money (losing with inflation, I suppose), but its not losing money in the stock market and I protect my capital.

AFR Rates | IRS Applicable Federal Rates | National Family Mortgage
moorehead01
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If I were guessing, the lender/seller likely collected an origination fee that is higher than the $2k discount being offered, and they would prefer to take the profit and be done.

The listing says MD is a judicial foreclosure state so foreclosing could take a long time (and at a pretty steep cost relative to the upside of collecting on the note and/or ending up with the property).

Don't know anything from the listing about creditworthiness of borrower. It's "performing" but borrower hasn't even had a payment due yet. Generally speaking, 12.9% is a steep interest rate. It could have been for convenience (hard money) but it might also indicate poor credit.
moorehead01
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"Discount" is not the same thing as "loss"

Note was listed two days before it was even originated

They probably collected upfront fees (origination, processing, etc) north of $2k and will actually make a little on the deal.
kingj3
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Good feedback guys!
deadbq03
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You're a good man. And to your last point, I've got a family mortgage from my FIL. It was meant as a stop-gap so I could buy a new home and then have time to do some things at the old house to help it sell better.

Nearly two years later, I could pay him back but we've both decided the fam mortgage is a mutually good deal given our different life stages… and he said the same thing… he might not be beating inflation but he's not losing money and he gets a regular income stream he can count on.
Omperlodge
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I thought some of these had a 6 month protection clause in case of nonpayment. The lender has to repurchase at the purchase price.
JamesBREI06
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moorehead01 said:

"Discount" is not the same thing as "loss"

Note was listed two days before it was even originated

They probably collected upfront fees (origination, processing, etc) north of $2k and will actually make a little on the deal.


Or it was a seller finance origination and they are actually making thousands
jagvocate
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Own paper in a falling interest rate environment.
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