Question for O&G industry personnel

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whatthehey78
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Is "Peak Oil" a real data point...and has world supply/reserves 'peaked' or not? I was with Schlumberger for a number of years...but that was a long time ago. Ended my career in another industry and too far removed to know what is/isn't anymore.

Any/all 'serious' comments welcome. Just so you know...I don't have an agenda. Just curious. TIA!
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Everyone has an opinion, but my opinion is that they've been talking about "peak" oil for decades now. As a former Schlumberger employee, I'm sure you know that when a reservoir is developed, we often only produce a percentage of the reserves in the field. Much of that oil is left in the ground as it is not economical to produce. As innovation and technology increases, so will our ability to produce much more oil. I work deepwater GOM. Thirty years ago they were not producing oil in 7,000 feet of water, but they're doing it now fairly consistently.

Oil and gas, inasmuch as we stay collectively sane in this country, will always be an integral part of the energy portfolio. It is needed and will always be needed. Nothing else gives us the "bang-for-the-buck" that oil and gas does and there really is no truly viable alternative that can compare with it (that doesn't require massive tax payer incentives and subsidies as gov't tips the scales in favor of EV). Now, if we can only get our politicians to understand this.
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whatthehey78 said:

Is "Peak Oil" a real data point...and has world supply/reserves 'peaked' or not? I was with Schlumberger for a number of years...but that was a long time ago. Ended my career in another industry and too far removed to know what is/isn't anymore.

Any/all 'serious' comments welcome. Just so you know...I don't have an agenda. Just curious. TIA!
Is it a real data point? sure. are the predictions of it worth anything? likely not even worth the paper they are printed on. I just started reading Daniel Yergin's "The Prize" and it is funny reading the gloom and doom end-of-oil predictions as far back as the early 1900s with the benefit of 100 years of hindsight. Physically, there will come a time where oil production has peaked. There is no way around it unless we are just wildly wrong on the time required for oil to generate underground from organic matter. But any attempt to forecast it is having to consider so many factors, many of which are entirely unknowable (future technology on both production and consumption sides, global economic factors, etc.), that it is really just an educated guess in the best case scenario.

if you are interested, here is a Wiki article on historical attempts to predict peak oil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicting_the_timing_of_peak_oil
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Black Gold, that's my favorite book and highly recommend it to anyone interested in the significant role hydrocarbons have played in our history.
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I think peak demand is a more important data point to understand than peak oil. As long as the money is right, the industry will continue to find ways to unlock much of what is underground.
Win At Life
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Originally, the concept of peak oil was an economic disaster type thing where demand was skyrocketing, but all the oil had been found; causing major industry and world political upheavals. Now, many talk of peak oil as just producing less because we don't need so much in the future, due to efficiencies and alternates like battery cars. That type of "peak oil" is not a disaster scenario. So, what type of "peak oil" scenario should be addressed? The latter may happen soon (or has already happened), but the former is probably a long way off.

Oil suffers from a fairly inelastic supply equations, but also suffers from a fairly inelastic demand, which causes the wild fluctuations. For example, new large developments can take 6 to 10 years to come on line from first discovery, so that's the inelastic supply. On the demand side, when prices go up, all those people driving enormous F-250's don't just run down to the dealer and trade them in for a Prius. They wait a few years until the thing's got a lot more miles and years on it and then consider a more efficient vehicle for their next purchase. So, lets set aside all these wild near-term swings and looking at the long-term picture.

As oil reserves deplete, the new ones coming online cost marginally more to produce. That is, most all the "easy" oil has already been found. So the "next" barrel of oil comes from a deeper offshore well, that costs more to produce. And then it comes from very remote fields that need to invest in an FPSO. And then there are marginal fields with smaller reserves that takes more wells and moving production equipment, which increases the cost. And then lower quality reserves. I've done test projects with extremely heavy weight API crudes in Brazil. We had to steam trace all piping and vessels to keep it from turning to asphalt inside the equipment; in addition to submersible pumps to push the sludge up to the surface. All that equipment costs money and marginally drives up the cost for each barrel produced. But we proved it CAN be produced at a higher price. When the price gets higher, then they will do that. Similar for oil sands and oil shales.

So, not surprisingly, there is more petroleum liquids out there that can be brought to the market at ever increasing marginal rates; which is the way everything works in economics, so I don't understand why all these oil expert pundits can't see that. And when the cost of liquids creeps up too high, demand will make it affordable to shift more to battery cars or, hell, even back to CNG/LNG vehicles (remember those?). So, IMO, we are a long way off from peak oil disaster scenarios, but will see an ever increasing average cost which shifts supply to ever marginal developments and shifts demand to ever marginal efficiency gains and alternatives for a long time. Duh.
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Win At Life said:

Originally, the concept of peak oil was an economic disaster type thing where demand was skyrocketing, but all the oil had been found; causing major industry and world political upheavals. Now, many talk of peak oil as just producing less because we don't need so much in the future, due to efficiencies and alternates like battery cars. That type of "peak oil" is not a disaster scenario. So, what type of "peak oil" scenario should be addressed? The latter may happen soon (or has already happened), but the former is probably a long way off.

Oil suffers from a fairly inelastic supply equations, but also suffers from a fairly inelastic demand, which causes the wild fluctuations. For example, new large developments can take 6 to 10 years to come on line from first discovery, so that's the inelastic supply. On the demand side, when prices go up, all those people driving enormous F-250's don't just run down to the dealer and trade them in for a Prius. They wait a few years until the thing's got a lot more miles and years on it and then consider a more efficient vehicle for their next purchase. So, lets set aside all these wild near-term swings and looking at the long-term picture.

As oil reserves deplete, the new ones coming online cost marginally more to produce. That is, most all the "easy" oil has already been found. So the "next" barrel of oil comes from a deeper offshore well, that costs more to produce. And then it comes from very remote fields that need to invest in an FPSO. And then there are marginal fields with smaller reserves that takes more wells and moving production equipment, which increases the cost. And then lower quality reserves. I've done test projects with extremely heavy weight API crudes in Brazil. We had to steam trace all piping and vessels to keep it from turning to asphalt inside the equipment; in addition to submersible pumps to push the sludge up to the surface. All that equipment costs money and marginally drives up the cost for each barrel produced. But we proved it CAN be produced at a higher price. When the price gets higher, then they will do that. Similar for oil sands and oil shales.

So, not surprisingly, there is more petroleum liquids out there that can be brought to the market at ever increasing marginal rates; which is the way everything works in economics, so I don't understand why all these oil expert pundits can't see that. And when the cost of liquids creeps up too high, demand will make it affordable to shift more to battery cars or, hell, even back to CNG/LNG vehicles (remember those?). So, IMO, we are a long way off from peak oil disaster scenarios, but will see an ever increasing average cost which shifts supply to ever marginal developments and shifts demand to ever marginal efficiency gains and alternatives for a long time. Duh.
Overall, I agree with all this. I'd say the one thing it seems to ignore, though, is technology. Wasn't too long ago that all the shale oil we knew about was too costly and inefficient to get out of the ground....

Who knows what the next technology advance is making currently more costly reserves more economical....
Ogre09
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Nanobots...
Mark Fairchild
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Howdy, I am a 1970 graduate of the World Renowned Dept of Petroleum Engineering at Texas A&M University (not my words, Forbes Magazine), spent 40 years as Independent in Midland, Tx. When I graduated oil was $2.50 per barrel and gas was a $0.05 per Mscf, if you could sell the gas. We found all the $5 oil, then it went to the unbelievable price of $10 and we were in hog heaven and found all the $10 oil. And so it has been, on and on and on. We are now finding all of the $100 oil.

As Win At Life said, the hidden driver is TECHNOLOGY! We do things now that NONE of us would have dreamed of in 1970. The number of examples I could list is beyond recounting.

That said, no the PEAK is not yet here, the technology will drive many further innovations in oil and gas recovery, we will all be dead and gone before the last well is plugged.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
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I am thoroughly confident we have not reached peak oil or peak demand, and we will not reach either in your or my lifetime.
goatchze
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Fredd said:

I think peak demand is a more important data point to understand than peak oil. As long as the money is right, the industry will continue to find ways to unlock much of what is underground.
This. "Peak Oil" is not going to be a cliff, as alarmists claimed in decades past. The claim used to be we would "suddenly" run out of oil and gas. This isn't going to be the case.

But demand is flattening, so any concept of "Peak Oil" should be though of as a plateau rather than a cliff.

See figure 12 on page 23.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/aeo/pdf/AEO2023_Narrative.pdf
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