Fixing this team

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Went to my first WBB game yesterday with my daughter. Not going to sit here and make accusations because honestly, this was the first WBB I watched this year. I know Tenn is good, but there seemed to be a big discrepancy in talent. I thought JT was a good coach from what I read when she came over, but know the results haven't followed here (yet). Is it a lack of support/funding so we aren't getting the high end talent? Are the players not clicking with Taylor? or is Taylor maybe not what she was billed to be? Could there be injuries as well?

Not trying to disparage anyone, just curious what the consensus is from you all who are way more knowledgable than I when it comes to this team.
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sirhc said:

Went to my first WBB game yesterday with my daughter. Not going to sit here and make accusations because honestly, this was the first WBB I watched this year. I know Tenn is good, but there seemed to be a big discrepancy in talent. I thought JT was a good coach from what I read when she came over, but know the results haven't followed here (yet). Is it a lack of support/funding so we aren't getting the high end talent? Are the players not clicking with Taylor? or is Taylor maybe not what she was billed to be? Could there be injuries as well?

Not trying to disparage anyone, just curious what the consensus is from you all who are way more knowledgable than I when it comes to this team.
we could debate this all day long... we aren't recruiting at a high clop, to be honest. i imagined we would have success in that arena due to Joni's USA basketball ties. so far, in terms of recruiting top talent - abject fail. she was able to pull in some quality NIL transfers (AC, Ware (others tbd in terms of impact and production), but she's also lost A LOT of talent to the portal. in her defense, i don' think you add players just to add players, and i applaud her for not handing out offers if she doesn't believe they fit into her vision of our program; however, the reality is, we are not landing and KEEPING any big-name players. the one elite she brought with her - who was loyal to her during the transition - bailed after two years of mediocrity (from us as a program and her as a player, to be fair). in comparison, you see other basketball programs with first- and second-year coaches doing very very well (tennessee, tcu, etc). i absolutely do not buy the "we don't have enough NIL money to compete" when we are losing to texas a&m corpus christi (among others). also, look at the success of the volleyball, softball, and tennis teams. they have LESS NIL opportunities and are still winning based on being able to recruit talent and coach that talent. i think joni's seat has to be hot after this season, and the fact that we see other programs doing well in year one and two with new basketball staffs does not make me cringe about starting over again. i desperately want her to succeed, but something isn't clicking.

believe it or not, yesterday was probably the best basketball we've played all season.
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Thanks! Appreciate the insight. I was also shocked to see she is the 7th highest paid coach in all of WBB???

I did leave at halftime and know they turned it around some. But first half, they just seemed to lack energy
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sirhc said:

Thanks! Appreciate the insight. I was also shocked to see she is the 7th highest paid coach in all of WBB???

I did leave at halftime and know they turned it around some. But first half, they just seemed to lack energy
if you followed the game thread, we were all having a conniption about the first half lol - it's been a struggle and the school has too much to offer to be this mediocre.
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Taylor was not a good hire. She never elevated the program at Georgia that Andy Landers gave her. It was an average tourney type program but nothing special. You need to look for coaches that elevate programs.
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JT has not improved the program, largely because she is unable to recruit or retain highly talented players. Aggie WBB is not meaningfully competitive in the SEC, and likely will not be under her leadership. The lack of success at Georgia and here appear to be clear indicators that college BB is not her strength. I expect her next job will be with the WNBA.

I anticipate that like Coach G, Alberts will let her die on the vine, to the great detriment of the program.
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Fire her, honestly I'd be ok to just forfeit the rest of the season. It's going to be ugly. I'd rather just not see her on the sidelines and look like a deer in the headlights
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NIL $$ are lacking for Women's basketball here
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Passwordgone said:

NIL $$ are lacking for Women's basketball here
this has been debated for years; it's lacking in many other sports and they are handling it well (softball, volleyball, tennis). great coaches win. i hope joni is a great coach.
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We shouldn't lose to Texas A&M CC. That's all coaching.
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Demographics - let's just tell the truth

College Station has never been a hot spot for the type of players who dominates WBB - comparing it to LSU, Columbia, S.C., Austin, Stanford, etc is a hard sale Especially when your trying to recruit nationally

The days of the good ol Texas coach who can recruit and develop talent from the state like Blair are pretty much over as it's a national game now

Smaller sports have more girls demographically who wants to be Aggies from birth and will take hometown discounts to follow the tradition
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before Dawn, Columbia wasn't some great destination stop for WBB players.
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I don't discount your opinion, but the reality is, the best coaches will succeed ANYWHERE they show up. There is no denying that. Demographics are only a minor player in that reality. The best athletes want to play for the best program and have the best opportunity to succeed beyond D1 basketball. Where they lay their head for 2-4 years does not affect their decision at all.
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Dawn's first 3 seasons, 10-18, 14-15, 18-15 Pretty sure texags would have fired her. Google said all SC players making $25,000 or more. Anyone have info on what Aggies players are getting? Might make a difference?.
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The difference makers South Carolina has are making between $500,000 and upwards of $1,000,000.
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If you really want to help Aggie women's basketball in the future, with any coach, donate $500,000 or so each year to the NIL. Heck, #200,000 would probably help.
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MUAG said:

If you really want to help Aggie women's basketball in the future, with any coach, donate $500,000 or so each year to the NIL. Heck, #200,000 would probably help.
what they said was $40,000 'short' for their goal of $200,000 for this year
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I'm afraid that with the AC news there's not much more the team can do. Certainly growing other players will be a benefit but I don't expect us to win any more games (maybe Thursday). Not trying to be negative. Just being realistic. As much as I love the coaching staff, they seem to have issues and excuses every year. Losing an athlete of this magnitude hurts most teams but we are now down to 8 players I believe. With Lauren being hurt, I'm not sure how she finishes the season. Prayers all around for the players and coaches and this program.
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This is a poorly run program.
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Kbeauty63 said:

MUAG said:

If you really want to help Aggie women's basketball in the future, with any coach, donate $500,000 or so each year to the NIL. Heck, #200,000 would probably help.
what they said was $40,000 'short' for their goal of $200,000 for this year
High value donors will support the right coach. They aren't going to throw their money away for a zero return on investment, which is what the last 3 years has proven to be.
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https://gofrogs.com/sports/womens-basketball/schedule/2022-23

3 years ago this was tcu's women's basketball program. Since then the have poster consecutive 20+ win seasons. It all depends on the right coach
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So will we fire the coach or just live with mediocrity? It seems like she has had enough time to prove her merit.
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rgleml said:

So will we fire the coach or just live with mediocrity? It seems like she has had enough time to prove her merit.


I think we are going with mediocrity to answer your question.
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aggiedrjdub said:

rgleml said:

So will we fire the coach or just live with mediocrity? It seems like she has had enough time to prove her merit.


I think we are going with mediocrity to answer your question.
One issue with that is Sips get dibs on all the elite girls basketball players who are all in 8th, 9th, 10th grade in the meantime.

What's it say that none of the team-USA players want to play for her? I really like her, but apparently the recruits don't want to play for her.
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This program will have to excel to achieve mediocrity.
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Ag1188 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

rgleml said:

So will we fire the coach or just live with mediocrity? It seems like she has had enough time to prove her merit.


I think we are going with mediocrity to answer your question.
One issue with that is Sips get dibs on all the elite girls basketball players who are all in 8th, 9th, 10th grade in the meantime.

What's it say that none of the team-USA players want to play for her? I really like her, but apparently the recruits don't want to play for her.
how many of the team usa players aren't already in the NBA. Thats why i never understood how her being with the olympic team was going to be a recruiting score
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In 2022 she was the U18 National team assistant, the next year, then the head coach for the U19 team in 2023. Spends every summer working with these elite recruits, yet has brought over none. Last year she lost 7 players in the transfer portal and graduation. She only signed one high school recruit in Taliyah Parker. This year is her most veteran group she's had here at Texas A&M and we see the results. After this embarrassment of a season ends we will lose, Aicha Coulibaly, Sahara Jones, Lauren Ware, Amirah Abdur Rahim, and that's not including the portal losses, which lol buckle up. And she only signed 2 high schoolers, one is not on any recruiting sites, and the other is an Italian player who averages about 2 points for her team. So without any portal losses, we're at 9 girls. Complete roster mismanagement from one of the highest paid coaches in the league.

Like aggiedrjdub said, Joni Taylor is 11-32 in conference play as the head coach for the Texas A&M Aggies. She has lost more of her high school recruits to the portal than she has on the team. Attendance is probably near an all time low, sitting in 10th in the conference with 3900 people a game, which we all know is embellished. We are at an institution with 70,000 plus students yet we can't get 100 to show up to a game. Season ticket sales are dying. I can't imagine what next season will look like. A game thread will have at most 3 posters.

We are last in scoring offense, last in 3 point shooting, last in turnovers, and near dead last in almost every other category. She failed to sign a single true point guard, then complains we don't have a true point guard. She actively chose to cap the roster at 11 players in the southeastern conference and said she prefers that. We've lost 12 games by double digits and are 1 game from being dead last in the conference.

We know she has to be fired, but everyone assumed Coach G would be fired after a losing season and he lost every starter to the portal. So it seems like our AD accepts these losing seasons. Nebraska was good at volleyball, couldn't win 6 games in football, and a non factor in any other sport under Alberts leadership. So as other posters have stated, no reason to expect us to be anything more. We just have to sit back and accept where we are. </3

5 games remaining, we won't be favored in any of them. If we don't win any, we will finish the season 10-18 and 3-13. That will put her totals as the Texas A&M Head Coach 38-53 overall and 11-37 in conference play…
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oh when AC went down i figured we'd lose out. Without her we are the worst team in the conference
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Didn't think we'd be down 20 every game after she went out, including two against the two worst conference teams lol… plus I was told all off season that 11 players on the roster would be fine
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Go get the TCU coach.
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This is really sad this is Peggy Gilliam bad
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Reviewing the box score of the Mizzou game. We lose by 10 Mizzou Outscores us by 12 in the 3rd quarter. The other 3 quarters we have a 2 point edge on them. At home no less.

The most disappointing thing was 1 player, a sophomore grace slaughter, went one on one against the whole team scored 29 points and single-handedly won the game for Mizzou. We couldn't stop her. We couldn't even slow her down, well until she got tired/complacent in the 4th quarter, when she figured out that A&M wasn't going to mount a comeback. Basically the same feeling A&M fans got watching the 4th quarter.

Compound that with the fact that we had 19 turnovers to their 9. What kind of offense do we have that produces 19 turnovers in a game against a team that has 1 win now 2 in conference. This team could be better and should be better in February but isn't and that's on the coaches. In fact Any excuses for the sad state of affairs we have in women's basketball you can lay in the coaches lap as well.
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BQ_90 said:

Ag1188 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

rgleml said:

So will we fire the coach or just live with mediocrity? It seems like she has had enough time to prove her merit.


I think we are going with mediocrity to answer your question.
One issue with that is Sips get dibs on all the elite girls basketball players who are all in 8th, 9th, 10th grade in the meantime.

What's it say that none of the team-USA players want to play for her? I really like her, but apparently the recruits don't want to play for her.
how many of the team usa players aren't already in the NBA. Thats why i never understood how her being with the olympic team was going to be a recruiting score
She coaches the teenager Team USA team normally, i thought. That's why it should've been bringing in elite talent. Not whatever we've got instead.
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Ag1188 said:

BQ_90 said:

Ag1188 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

rgleml said:

So will we fire the coach or just live with mediocrity? It seems like she has had enough time to prove her merit.


I think we are going with mediocrity to answer your question.
One issue with that is Sips get dibs on all the elite girls basketball players who are all in 8th, 9th, 10th grade in the meantime.

What's it say that none of the team-USA players want to play for her? I really like her, but apparently the recruits don't want to play for her.
how many of the team usa players aren't already in the NBA. Thats why i never understood how her being with the olympic team was going to be a recruiting score
She coaches the teenager Team USA team normally, i thought. That's why it should've been bringing in elite talent. Not whatever we've got instead.

Well,last summer she was on vacation in France with a bunch of wnba players
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Joni Taylor refused to sign a point guard or grab one from the transfer portal. In a non conference post game they asked her about her offense and she said "well it's a little tricky because we don't have a true point guard" as it's a surprise there's no point guard on her roster lmao… after that I had no hope for this team. We are last in turnovers in the conference. We've given two teams their second conference win. March 2nd we'll most likely be fighting for last place with Arkansas, maybe that game more than 50 students will show up with so much on the line! but then again last time they destroyed us so who knows
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