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My wife and I are about to buy our first home together in GA. We have plans of living in the home for 5-7 years then building on some land. When I do the math, it seems going with the 15 yr is better since we will be paying about 10k less in interest in 5 years.

Am I thinking about this wrong?
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Pearl2010 said:

My wife and I are about to buy our first home together in GA. We have plans of living in the home for 5-7 years then building on some land. When I do the math, it seems going with the 15 yr is better since we will be paying about 10k less in interest in 5 years.

Am I thinking about this wrong?


Definitely not thinking about it wrong. With 15YR - you'll be paying a higher monthly note but building more equity faster, cause your monthly note breakdown has more going towards principal then interest.

A 30YR note gives you the lower monthly note, but paying more in interest then principal on that same breakdown.

What my wife and I did was prefer to have a 30YR note so we are not obligated to the higher monthly note on the 15YR but would be able to have the option "double" our monthly payment on the 30YR and pay down the note at almost the same schedule as the 15YR if we did it consistently every month.

The benefits in our minds were the ability to not have to make that extra payment if we wanted to take a vacation or if one of us loses a job/have a kid, we can still make our payments and keep that extra cash flow.
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Ag97
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Depends on your financial situation. If you are comfortable you are secure in your income/jobs and can easily make the 15 year note payments for the next 5 to 7 years, it will save you a little money to do it this way.

That being said, interest rates are so low currently, that financing a 30 year note at 2.75% vs. a 15 year note at 2.5% is relatively the same if you just pay extra on the 30 year note every month.

This is what I'm currently doing on a home purchase we are in the middle of. I like to have the flexibility of being able to pull back on my monthly payments if for some reason things go south and I don't have as much cash on hand.

One other thing is with interest rates being so low currently, take the 30 year payments and any extra funds you would have put towards a 15 year note, you invest in the market for the next 5 to 7 years and hopefully you earn more on that money than the <3% interest you are paying on the home loan.

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Ag97 said:

Depends on your financial situation. If you are comfortable you are secure in your income/jobs and can easily make the 15 year note payments for the next 5 to 7 years, it will save you a little money to do it this way.

That being said, interest rates are so low currently, that financing a 30 year note at 2.75% vs. a 15 year note at 2.5% is relatively the same if you just pay extra on the 30 year note every month.

This is what I'm currently doing on a home purchase we are in the middle of. I like to have the flexibility of being able to pull back on my monthly payments if for some reason things go south and I don't have as much cash on hand.

One other thing is with interest rates being so low currently, take the 30 year payments and any extra funds you would have put towards a 15 year note, you invest in the market for the next 5 to 7 years and hopefully you earn more on that money than the <3% interest you are paying on the home loan.

I agree with this. In the past, the 30 vs. 15 yr interest rate % arbitrage was much wider. For example, when we bought our first home 7 years ago, I refinanced from a 30 to a 15 after our first year or so. Our 30 was ~3.8% and we went with a 15 at 2.4%. A drop like that in interest shrunk the gap in total payments. I think our payments went up like $200 a month to move to a 15 year, which was a no-brainer for us.

As far as taking the extra and investing it and it working out better - yes, technically, it should in the long term.

However, we like to "spread" things around and lock in certain returns. Sometimes, mentally, it's better to just not see that money. We moved to a 15 year, and even paid extra on top of that. It was nice when we went to sell the house just 5 years later. On an original ~$240k note, we had $180k balance when we sold - that cash at close (+ the run up in value of the home) helped us upgrade significantly when we built our next home.
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Any chance you may take your first home and turn it into a rental property in 5-7 years when you build your next home? This option may suggest a longer note so as to allow you to invest the difference to provide for a future down payment in 5-7 years.
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A normal spread for 15 and 30s is a half point. You can't compare a 15 a year after getting a 30 since the market moves daily. That half also moves a little as well. Some days it's .625 and some days .375.

A simple way to make a 30 into a 23 is take your full PITI and divide by 12 and make the normal payment and 1/12 of the full payment.

So 1200 full payment divided by 12 and 1300 a month.
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Assuming you don't have kids, you might have 2-3 daycares to pay for before you get out of this house. If you are in Houston that's 3400 a month ish. Just stuff to think about before locking in a higher monthly payment.
Pearl2010
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Thanks for all of the thoughts and advice. We will consider all of this!
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SteveBott said:

A normal spread for 15 and 30s is a half point. You can't compare a 15 a year after getting a 30 since the market moves daily. That half also moves a little as well. Some days it's .625 and some days .375.

A simple way to make a 30 into a 23 is take your full PITI and divide by 12 and make the normal payment and 1/12 of the full payment.

So 1200 full payment divided by 12 and 1300 a month.
Wouldn't you just increase by the PI? Not seeing why you would want to include TI in this calculation?
SteveBott
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Most folks know about the extra payment once a year. The problem is it is really hard to stay disciplined to do that and its usually a pretty good amount of cash flow increase. My way makes it much easier to end up with a full payment paid. Most folks can afford the extra 1/12 per month.
drred4
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I do this but double the amount. For instance I would be paying 1400 in your scenario
SteveBott
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That would just accelerate pay down more. I just pulled a loan out an ran my scenario. it had PMI. If I use just PITI it reduces by 6 years and add 1/12 of PMI as well it goes down about 6.5 years. So I am a little off but not much
Sooner Born
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Mathematically speaking, with rates as they currently are, you should take the 30 year and invest the the difference in payment between the 30 and 15 year. Yes, your interest paid will be higher but you should be able to earn more than that interest on returns in the market from that invested difference (historically speaking) so in effect, the 30 year will be cheaper.
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