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How much is a pool worth?

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I was recently asked this question by a client who was trying to decide whether to install a pool at their existing home, or find another home with a pool already built. So I went to the data and performed a pretty basic analysis, which I'm sharing here because I think it was a fun exercise and I learned something that might helps folks here in similar situations.

What my client found on the install side was that a pool is running around $80,000 to $100,000 or so with no crazy features or add-ons, and he actually found a company that could start on it reasonably quickly, unlike what I have heard for the last two years, which was that pool install companies are estimating around a year long wait for new customers.

When we looked into the data, we found that the median home price of a home in our data set with a pool was right at $16 PSF higher than a home without a pool, or say roughly half of the price of a new pool. So the lesson would be: "You're probably better (monetarily) buying a home with a pool that someone else built than building one yourself." Nothing groundbreaking here, but I thought it was fun to mathematically show what we all likely knew.

Below is the neighborhood boundary lines of comps from the last year:



Summary of data for homes with pools:


Summary of data for homes without pools:


Factors (that I did not run regressions on) that would obviously alter the exact price delta between the two data sets:

  • Houses with pools generally sit on larger lots (roughly 500 SF larger) than those without pools
  • Houses without pools were generally smaller, and smaller homes typically sell for an increased price PSF compared to larger similar homes
  • Houses without pools were generally older by ~2 years
  • It's possible that someone with the expendable income to install a pool would buy a nicer home or maintain their home better. So some sort of inherent bias that isn't evident in the data.


Other findings that I found interesting:

  • Houses with pools generally sold for around $3 PSF more than their asking price, while homes without sold for right at asking price
  • Days on market for homes without pools was 2-3x longer than for pools with homes
  • These two prove that folks really want homes with pools right now

Disclaimers:

  • This is one neighborhood and a rough estimation of value deltas. Other neighborhoods would most likely have different results, and to be exact we would probably need a lot more data points.

I'd be happy to share the raw excel data with anyone who would like to dig in further. Just send me a PM, text, or email (in my profile) with your contact info and I can make that happen.

What do you think?
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I think I'm gonna have to buy a new house.
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What do you think?
So we're talking $100k to install the pool at your existing house vs. $50k to buy one already installed.

So it boils down to what are the costs and headache associated with selling, moving, and buying that other house? $50k worth? That may be closing costs alone on both transactions.

Especially given houses with pools are harder to come by given your data. You may be sitting in a rental waiting for one to hit the market that you're the successful bidder for.
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it's a lot more per sq ft in my market
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We have a home listed right now that's about to contract approx $150k over list price. A major factor in the huge interest (over 100 showings in 4 days) is the fact that it has a pool.

As with anything, depends on the local market. In Northern Suburbs of D/FW, you cannot get a pool for $80k and start quickly (can't do either of those things)....you also get more bang for the buck in a pre owned for a pool than in the example above. Again....just depends on your local market.

Having said that, it still generally holds that it would be "cheaper" to buy someone else's pool......but don't forget to factor in the age and condition of that pool.

In my real estate career, the value you will get for your pool when selling has never been higher than right now.
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I should have mentioned this, but about 30% of the homes in the comp set have pools.
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Age and condition of the pool definitely a big difference maker.

Had a **** appraiser adjust the subject property down $35K vs the comp because the comp had a busted ass 33 year old pool with cracked pea gravel hardscape. Couldn't believe it. This is in a neighborhood where pools are typically not even desired. If anything, this pool was a misimprovement.

****ing VA appraisals.
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Great work. I'm in the same boat, so I'm glad to see this. This might be hard to find, but is there any data on homes sold with new pools?

From what I've seen, there seems to be a home quality 'floor' for getting your pool money back. And out here in the suburbs, it seems to be about 450-500k that the home needs to cost before adding a pool means you get all your money back. I.E: 80k pool install makes a 450k home now worth 530k. The more new things you can stack up in your home the better return you're going to get with a pool install. (its open concept, wood floors, white walls AND a nice pool!). It seems the pool has to complete the HGTV package deal of a beautiful home, not be the only thing.

Also, it seems obvious that yes pool costs are going up, but so is pool quality and amenities. People aren't wanting the kidney bean pool with palm trees that will dwarf your home one day. They want decked out entertainment spaces, resort level amenities, and the biggest driver of costs-put it on a loan.

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We have some friends who bought a home in lakeway out by lake travis. They presented their pool plans to the bank for a loan. Bank was happy to give them a huge 120k+ loan, even showed them data that with how hot the lakeway market was for homes with pools that they would immediately come out ahead on equity.
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I sold a house last year that was a particular style of home that you don't expect to find on a large lot, and certainly don't expect to find with a pool. This pool was small compared to most suburban neighborhood pools.

The house sold 6 months ago for $50/sf higher than where similar homes without pools are selling TODAY. That equates to nearly $90k based on the home's SF. Sure, it had 500-750 SF bigger lot than most. You could argue that was a small chunk of it.

And it did not cost $90k to build that pool two decades ago.

It is 100% based on local market area. OP is not wrong for most cases though. And it's tough to guage off prices today because inventory is so low that buyers are bidding up every home.
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Here's a question for you:
How much should I try to sell my house for based on below? (thinking about doing FSBO)

  • A house down the street from me just went under contract for over asking price in less than a week on the market (according to seller). Listed at 395k, so lets say $400k.
  • I have the exact same house/floor plan
  • House has a small pool (seller told me it cost him 35k four years ago, probably a 55k pool today)
  • I do not have a pool
  • House selling has a much smaller lot than me (5700sq ft vs 8500sq ft)
  • Consider all things else pretty equal
  • Located in Spring Tx
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As much as I rail on the real estate commission model, you need to get an agent to get on the MLS. You're limiting your buyer pool way too much in this environment.

You're going to get a bunch of tire kickers, Low ballers, and people who can't make a normal loan work.
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I looked at FSBO just to try and cover all the bases today and did a search within 20 miles of 573 and there were something like 8 listings and they were all garbage. It's completely dead.
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Flat fee listing services can get you on MLS, but note taken
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It's probably against some Realtor rule or ethics code for me to give you a value so I'd need to see the comps and preferably see your house before I told you a definite number. I'd also prefer to see that comp you mentioned close to really determine value because "over ask" could mean $1,000 over or $40,000 over and neither would surprise me.

On top of one MEEN Ag's suggestions, I'd add that you will get roughly 25% of the views/leads by putting it up on Zillow (they charge now) versus listing it on the MLS, and that might be the difference in you getting one offer (maybe) or four and going well over asking. And on top of that, if you find a buyer, the buyer's agent will probably take advantage of you and unless you're doing deals right now, you likely won't even realize it. Just one example of my value add: I've got a great title company who will waive escrow fees for you and your buyer. Can you find a title company who will do this for you?

I'd love to help you and we rep sellers for just 1% commission to us at closing.
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A pool is a hole in the ground that you will throw an additional $200-$400 a month as long as you live there. To each their own
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Yup. Jamie at Red Pear can definitely take care of you and do a great job on the sell side.

When I bought a home with Jamie, his incentive structure compounded with the escrow companies waived fees were just incredible. I had used a very large bank to close the home as they had the best rates. There was some issue with them putting the documents together and so I had it escalated and reviewed by a manager who covered the whole state. We went line by line. At the end the guy said, 'In 20 years of home lending I've never seen get as good of deal on closing as you.'
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How much generally are escrow fees?
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depends on your neighborhood as well. One thing is for sure, people moving from the east and west coast want pools.If a home in central Austin goes on sale with a pool, it will have a 2 block line out the door the day it hits

If it's a vacation home that you are STRing it's a different calculation. In port A for example ADR is almost 40% more for homes with pools. If you are doing 175 nights at $500 per night and you can jump to $700 you make that money back especially on a small pool in 2-3 years

Our pools only cost us about $100 a month and part of that is heating in the winter, we swam 3 days this week with the temp at 92 degree. It only 10 x19 but thats plenty for us, I wouldn't wast a ton of money on fancy rock features and such. We spent about 20% of the first pools cost on a deck cover that has been well worth it in our small yard

https://tinypools.com/domain-tiny-pool/
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I have a 15k gallon pool with salt water chlorine generator and spend maybe $25/month on chemicals. I do the cleaning/chemistry myself which takes 10-15 min a week max. Robot does heavy lifting to clean. 2x a year the cartridge filter takes longer to clean, but that's free to do.

Even if we're gone for 2 weeks in summer, I don't worry about the pool. Just add a bunch of muriatic acid before we go, and it's pretty well set.

Pools don't have to be expensive or complicated and at least for our family has added a ton of enjoyment.

It's also true in our North Houston neighborhood that pools are highly desired so have that peace of mind when we sell in a year or two.
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A water guru also helps
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JP76 said:

A pool is a hole in the ground that you will throw an additional $200-$400 a month as long as you live there. To each their own


Lol not even close.
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We bought in Summer 2018 and wanted a 1 story with a pool. 1 stories with pools are always in demand so it was a challenge. We got a bit lucky plus we had a bulldog agent and we contracted a late 80s 1.5 story build (.5 story is game room over garage) with a 2 year old pool. Supposedly the Sellers spent 75k on the pool (18k gallon salt water) which is not hard to believe given an all travertine multi-level deck, flagstone coping, stone retaining walls, PebbleTec, integrated spa with fountain, etc. I shudder to think of the cost in the current environment.

I'd have to look it up but I believe the appraisal credited 35k to value. Regardless, we felt like we made a good deal as pools are not typically great investments. We were much more comfortable putting 50k or so to update the house than spend $ on a pool build.

Crazy market.

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How much does it cost to replaster that old pool? Because it's probably going to need it soon.
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Well there ya go.

2 year old deluxe pool = $35K for appraiser
33 year old cracked up lima bean pool = $35K for appraiser
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Red Pear Realty said:


When we looked into the data, we found that the median home price of a home in our data set with a pool was right at $16 PSF higher than a home without a pool, or say roughly half of the price of a new pool. So the lesson would be: "You're probably better (monetarily) buying a home with a pool that someone else built than building one yourself." Nothing groundbreaking here, but I thought it was fun to mathematically show what we all likely knew.


Are you saying that if installing a pool at $100K, it may be roughly worth $50K when selling?

I can certainly believe that. However, if you live in a city/location you are happy with and are only debating "build a pool vs move to a house with a pool", then you'd have to figure in all the costs of moving - closing costs, the move itself, etc - into your decision.

If wanting to move to a new area or city, and debating "should I buy a house without a pool and have one built OR buy a house that already has a pool" then it's a different decision and buying with a pool would be a valid option.
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Diggity said:

Well there ya go.

2 year old deluxe pool = $35K for appraiser
33 year old cracked up lima bean pool = $35K for appraiser


And now we can have the semi annual appraiser bashing thread.
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Complete Idiot said:

Red Pear Realty said:


When we looked into the data, we found that the median home price of a home in our data set with a pool was right at $16 PSF higher than a home without a pool, or say roughly half of the price of a new pool. So the lesson would be: "You're probably better (monetarily) buying a home with a pool that someone else built than building one yourself." Nothing groundbreaking here, but I thought it was fun to mathematically show what we all likely knew.


Are you saying that if installing a pool at $100K, it may be roughly worth $50K when selling?

I can certainly believe that. However, if you live in a city/location you are happy with and are only debating "build a pool vs move to a house with a pool", then you'd have to figure in all the costs of moving - closing costs, the move itself, etc - into your decision.

If wanting to move to a new area or city, and debating "should I buy a house without a pool and have one built OR buy a house that already has a pool" then it's a different decision and buying with a pool would be a valid option.


What we are looking at is moving and keeping our current house as a rental. We would get a pool as well as finally have real estate in the portfolio. Probably putting an offer on a house today.
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TBF, this guy was a total outlier as far as my recent experience.

He seemed hell bent on destroying the deal from the beginning. VA is just a different world.
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We recently built a pool and was told the same info about what value a pool adds to your home. One question I have is what does an outdoor kitchen/ fire pit area add to the value of your home?
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