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Odds of Austin housing correction?

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So, long story short, I am in the market for a house in the Austin area. Prices have started declining, but maybe only seasonal at this point (obviously hard to say).

The last thing I want to do is buy into a market that declines even 10%. If you asked me a month ago, count me in with the group that says Austin price appreciation will slow, but not decline. And if there is price depreciation, it will be small and temporary.

Fast forward to today, and the Fed pointed towards higher rates still. Plus, I think there is real cracks in Austin tech - Google, Facebook and Amazon will all materially slow hiring thru 2023 (on top of layoffs that will hit the Austin area). I know three late-stage tech companies (all in a different space) all announcing layoffs the last two weeks.

You have to assume migration is going to slow from coastal places now that we are post-Covid. I think there is also something to be said about inventory hitting the market that broke ground in the back half of this year.

I am by no means a bear, but its pretty damn hard to see a near term path where prices don't materially decline. My only counter observation is there are a lot of people on the sidelines, now renting like myself, that might all be looking to purchase as well. And they all hit the buyer's market in 2023.

Any educated thoughts on this?
jmm
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Depends on the location. Where are you looking? I see 20 to 25% price corrections in several market areas. That is measuring from the peak hysteria in spring 2022 to today.
500,000ags
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Primarily East Austin and Allandale

That's exactly my comparison point as well.
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damn...you're seeing average sales price drop that much in those areas or are you talking isolated listings?
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I don't like the unknown. If I was in a good position to buy now and stop renting and I could live with the interest rate, I'd buy now.
jmm
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The bedroom communities are going to feel more pain before recovery. There is a wave of builder liquidation coming. A builder had 270 houses under contract this summer for fall closings. 210 cancelled Buyers no longer qualify or can't sell their existing home. Commercial credit for production builders has dried up and regulators are making banks reserve for losses even if their portfolio is performing.
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I don't think you'll have a decline of 10% on the house you're thinking of buying. It may depend on where you choose to live, but I don't see a steep decline in prices. What I am seeing is that sellers are reluctant to overprice their homes now and they are now being very realistic with their expectations. As a real estate agent, I always tell my clients that the market will respond to what we list the price. It will tell us that the list price is good or that we need to make adjustments. I'm still waiting on ABOR to release their newest data but you can get an idea of what's happening in the market. September houses rose 5% over last year. I think that's the type of appreciation we will start to see. I believe that anything between 3-7% would be healthy. Gone are the days of 15-20% appreciation rates. Something to also look at is that active listings rose 162% compared to last year and that housing inventory rose 2.1 from last year as well. We are starting to see more houses and they are starting to sit longer than the past months. Last year there were about 6 buyers to every listing. That number is down to 2 now. This is still considered a seller's market, but buyers are starting to get that bargaining power back. My partner, Red Pear Luke, and I just recently closed on a house in Round Rock. Our client was able to get it for about $93K off the original list price. I also recently closed on a deal in September in south Austin where my clients came out ahead. They were able to buy the house for $19k less than list price. They recently sent me a text asking me to check what a house in their new neighborhood sold for. They were shocked when I told them the sellers got $50k over asking.



Here's an article from Austin Business Journal. They interviewed Jamie Dimon who runs JPMorgan Chase. He had nothing but good things to say about the strong job market.

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/news/2022/11/15/jamie-dimon-visits-austin-chase-bank-branch.html?cx_testId=40&cx_testVariant=cx_21&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

I'd be happy to help you find your Austin home once you're ready to make the move. We split our commissions with our clients so that means more money back in your pocket for closing or buying down your rate. Feel free to email me if you have any questions. My contact info is in my profile. Thanks and Gig 'em!
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Keeper of The Spirits
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Where on the east side?

Allandale and the rest of central Austin is pretty stable especially if you are looking for a pool. The supply is just low even with layoffs and all of those tech people will walk into other tech jobs, their is still a shortage of tech employees at non tech companies
Keeper of The Spirits
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Definitely take Red Pear up on the offer, cheapest SFH in Allandale is going to run you 7-800k so that 12 k back in your pocket
Win At Life
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I'm not in Autin, but Canyon Lake. Since this March, I've reduced the listing price on my house by $300,000. Seems like a hundred listing still for sale for every one that's under contract, and about half the listings seem like they reduced price if on the market more than a month or two. Take that for what you will.
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Are you in a million dollar+ home?
SteveBott
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What I saw last recession in 09-10 was price weakness increased as you farther from the central Austin. So central Austin just went flat while say Kyle or Hutto saw decreases.
500,000ags
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I get that, maybe I am being shortsighted on the relative value Austin still has left.

It just seems so odd to me that Austin would be flat in the post-Covid level migration craziness to Austin, +6-7% interest rates, and a potential cyclical downturn in tech.
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Check out my last post on the October Housing Data thread. 4% increase in median sales price over last year. I'm curious to see what the next three months look like. These are the last three years median sales price increases.

October 2021: 24%
October 2020: 13%
October 2019: 7%

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Don't make a mistake and buy in Austin. By in the county. We bought in Williamson County . Best thing I did
500,000ags
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Under those median growth increases, a $500k house in 2018 now costs $750k in 2022.

Now bake in the higher interest rates from 3% to 6.5%, a conventional mortgage payment on those prices goes from $2,600 to $5,100. That's nearly double.

No median price decline IMO hinges on the same level of OOS cash buyers still hitting the Austin market and continued increases in white collar pay that we saw starting last year.
Keeper of The Spirits
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If he's looking in Allandale or the east side he wants Urban not SubUrban. Those are much different things

If he was looking in Circle C or Belterra Id say consider the county
jmm
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Supply is increasing and demand is decreasing. All markets are feeling downward pressure. In the high end, sellers are more realistic, and prices are lower. Many listings have over $1MM price drops and still sitting. A very high end neighborhood had an open house 2 weeks ago for the 4 listings in the subdivision. No one came. This is the same neighborhood that had 6 sales in the 4th Qtr 2021 and 1st Qtr 2022 that never made MLS, had multiple bidders and insane prices of around $1000/ft. Out at Lake Travis, high end homes are sitting. Realtors report very little activity.

In RR/PF, homes were selling for $50-100M over list price that were listed in the $500M range. Those same neighborhoods have listings now in the $400s. The doubling of interest rates, slow down in technology hires, heavy pressure in the new home market to get inventory off floorplan lines, are contributing to the decline.

Right now there is a lot of interest rate shock, uncertainty in the political climate, wait and see attitudes, and slow winter months. It should pick up in the spring? No one has a crystal ball. My experience has been thru the S&L crisis of the 80s, dot com bust of late 90's, financial crisis of 2008 and now the result of too much cash, 0% lending environment, COVID, migration of population, soaring inflation and decisions by Fed to slow down economy.

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