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Need a CPA good with real estate capital gains experience

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A. G. Pennypacker
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Have a somewhat complicated situation - at least for me it is.

My grandparents owned about 100 acre farm - this land was either acquired by them or my great grandparents, not really sure. I think the total cost was around $6,000 in the late 1920's or 30's. When my dad retired, he and my mom moved to the farm to live with my grandparents. Grandparents gifted deeded the farm to my mom (their daughter) in 1992, and my mother gift deeded 1/2 to my dad.

My grandparents have since passed and my mom passed away in 2004, but her will was not probated.

My dad and his current wife got to the point last year that they could not live by themselves on the place any longer. They are now in an assisted living situation and we decided to sell the farm. Just sold it in October for a pretty sizeable sum of money. In the process of selling, the title company said that because my mom's will was not probated that her half of the farm was passed to her heirs - me and my brother, per state law. This was news to all of us. I had always assumed my mom's half went to dad when she passed. It would have, had he probated her will.

So when the property sold, my dad got 1/2 of the proceeds and my brother and I each got 1/4 of the proceeds.

I think my brother and I got a step up in basis on our half interest when my Mom passed in 2004, but we have no idea what the market value of the place was in 2004. Obviously it is in our best interest to have as high a market value as is reasonable to lower our capital gains taxes.

My dad's situation may be even more complex. I think his cost basis is what the land was originally purchased for ($6,000), plus the cost of any improvements made - I guess over almost 90 years of ownership of my grandparents and parents, but not sure about that. Nor would I really know or don't have records of what improvements were made or how much they cost. I do know that my dad renovated the farm house in 2008 for about $180k. Since this was also his home, I assume he (and his wife, if filing jointly) can take the $500k exemption.

I think I need a good CPA to consult with and help sort this out. I think we will all need to pay estimated taxes by Jan 15 to avoid underpayment penalties.

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Sorry you are going through this. My dad died without a will and I cannot express how much pain and heartache it caused for our family. If you have children, do them a favor and get yourself a will. It's not expensive. My companies legal plan allowed me to get one for free with the attorney of my choice.

OP, my contact info is in my profile. Text me and I'll send you my CPA.
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I am not a CPA. I do have some experience with death and taxes. You want to bring these up with the CPA. I know gigemhilo is a CPA.

Your grandparents gifted the property before either of their deaths? If one passed away, there would be a step up on all of it if in TX.

Property is a bit different on Jt ownership, but I would think it works the same as investments. In TX, I thought the entire property would be stepped up when your mom passed. I am pretty sure it doesn't on Jt Tenants in Common, but all others would. I have seen investments owned the entire time in the survivor's name, but it still was stepped up when the spouse passed. Maybe there is some hope here.

I don't understand the division of the property and I guess it is too late. The property must not have been community property and\or your mom never finalized deeding it to your dad (or maybe didn't deed it properly)?
This piece is important as it could mean a step up for your dad also.

My natural assumption is that if your mom and dad were married at the time of her death and you two are their kids, and the property is jointly owned or community property, your dad would get 3/4 and you two get 1/4. His half stays with him and he gets half of your mom's half (1/4). That isn't what happened, so I would want to know why.

As long as your dad did live in the house 2 of the last 5 yrs, he can get the $500k gain wipeout. CPA may have ideas on valuations for 2004, but asking an older farm/ranch real estate agent may be helpful.

One of my clients sold some land and his CPA said he could pay in April with no underpayment penalty. This may be due to the underpayment exceptions, but I would also want to verify with a CPA before Jan 15th to make sure.

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