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zooguy96
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We have a house we bought 5 years ago on and refinanced for 3% interest. We'd like to buy a larger house - but of course, won't get the same interest rate.

We could probably rent our house for at least $12-1300 more per month than the mortgage based in similar houses and rents in the area. Outright selling would probably net us around $175-200k, but we'd probably have a higher mortgage and higher interest rate.

Thoughts? We are in the Knoxville area - real estate here is insanely crazy high.
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Complicated answer to what I think you are asking. All depends on your financial situation. If you have a healthy income that wouldn't make a second home loan restrictive, and have time to manage the property, seems like a reasonable decision to leverage that low interest rate mortgage.
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I would hold and rent. Here's why:

1. You are basically trading your cash flow on the rental for an equal equivalent of extra mortgage payment on the new house. Run the numbers for yourself though. I spoke with a lender today who would be in the low 6 or even high 5 range for one of my clients with a reasonable buy down. This is the main determining factor for me. Even better if you could afford the new mortgage and absorb the additional hit regardless of cash flow on the rental.

2. You'd also continue mortgage pay down and will see some tax benefits.

3. I don't think we are done with inflation. In normal times, folks would assume 3% on average. So say I'm wrong and just assume 3% appreciation per year over the next 30 years. Is 3% of your homes' value getting tacked onto your net worth each year a bad thing?
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Pinochet
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Assuming there's a big gain on the first house, you have a few years before the exclusion goes away. Said differently, you may not pay tax on the gain if you sell within the next 3 years, but if you wait until later you will be stuck with paying tax on the entirety of the gain. I'd make sure you consider that when you run the numbers.
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Pinochet said:

Assuming there's a big gain on the first house, you have a few years before the exclusion goes away. Said differently, you may not pay tax on the gain if you sell within the next 3 years, but if you wait until later you will be stuck with paying tax on the entirety of the gain. I'd make sure you consider that when you run the numbers.
Not sure what you're saying here. You don't pay tax on the 1st $250K of gain($500K if married filing jointly) of a home sale.
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You only qualify for the cap gains exclusion if the home was your primary residence for at least 2 of the last 5 years. If he rents it for 3 years and a day, then he will have to pay cap gains if he sells.
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ToddyHill
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he will have to pay cap gains if he sells
...unless he does a 1031 Exchange.
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Or that.
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Just went through this.....short answer, it's complicated and depends on a lot of factors.

I'll kind of argue the flip side of the coin vs. Red Pear and others.....but taking that $175-200K and paying down a new 6%+ note would also be beneficial. Or investing it in a guaranteed 5% return....

Also, $1,200-1,300 over your mortgage is kind of irrelevant. What are taxes, insurance, listing fees, etc. For reference, we rented ours for $1,800 more than our mortgage. We estimate taxes going to $800/month after losing homestead, insurance is a little under $200/month. Listing fee is one month rent (comes out to almost $300/month). We pay for yard maintenance so there is no worry of it going downhill, another $100/month. Are you paying a property manager? We're still in the green, but at $1,200 over our mortgage we wouldn't be.

All that said, we decided to rent. I wanted to sell, my wife wanted to rent, so here we are. Just giving the other side of the argument as the current high rates don't automatically make keeping a low rate note the no brainer a lot of people argue, at least not in my opinion.
NoahAg
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Likely monthly rent minus mortgage, taxes, insurance = ???

We were in the same boat 3+ years ago. Decided to keep our first home as a rental when we bought our current home. Fortunate timing, but it's been good. Both our rental and our current home are at 3.25%. Both have appreciated nicely. Blessed with good tenants. Challenge now is deciding the best way to tap into the rental equity and put it to work.
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If you do rent it, look into "selling" it to a new s corp you own so you can take advantage of higher value for capital gains exclusion and higher depreciation under s corp.
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coming from a landlord and real estate professional, hold and rent, you will be really glad you did in 10 years
Ol Jock 99
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We could probably rent our house for at least $12-1300 more per month than the mortgage
Don't forget insurance, taxes, and a set aside for maintenance.
warreng
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There is also a big difference between a 1031 exchange and the capital gains exclusion on a primary residence. You don't get out of paying the tax on a 1031 you just push it back. Eventually you have to sell a property and pay it. The only way to truly get out of paying it on a 1031 is for you to die and someone inherits it and sells it at the same value it was when they inherited it. When you sell a primary and meet all the requirements you don't ever have to pay that capital gains and the money does not have to be rolled into another property. You also cannot sell and 1031 money from an investment property into a primary residence I don't believe.
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warreng said:

You also cannot sell and 1031 money from an investment property into a primary residence I don't believe.


That's correct.
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