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Bunk Moreland
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Instead of conversations splintering off on LIV tournament threads, or the saudi thread, etc. let's just consolidate a thread for topics pertaining to all of professional golf.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-rank-and-file-criticize

Good article with some interesting takes by Tour 'mules'
AggieDruggist89
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I'm staying away....some get emotional and pissy.

Like a little girl.
MarkPro
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Bunk, it is inevitable that any further discussions relating to professional golf, will at some point include references to LIV.

My personal take is that right or wrong, Phil was basically correct in asserting the problems with the PGAT. Having said that, his approach was completely misguided. It's been said in many articles that there was no impetus for the tour to change the status quo, because there was no one to compete with them. It's my understanding that the tour was set up to be run by the players, for the players, and somewhere along the way, that changed. Now with the radical reactions by the tour to LIV, it appears that the rank and file are grumbling. Can the PGAT make everyone happy? Doubtful, but that's the way most of life is.

The argument for the smaller, no cut tournaments, is that it will keep all the best players on site for 4 days. While there might be some merit to that from a sponsor standpoint, as a fan, I wouldn't want to watch, say Rory, who's 5 over, and would have missed the cut, play on the weekend, and possibly slap it around some more. Just my take.

I guess I could go on and on about the discussions that have played out on the board on the other threads, but I'll sit back and enjoy the show that is The Golf Board!

Bunk Moreland
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https://golf.com/news/players-championship-pace-of-play-2023/?amp=1

Agonizingly slow pace of play becoming a theme
HeyAbbott
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LIV Golf trying to copy the PGA Tour with their own version of the 16th hole at their tournament in Australia. As for Phil, he has made a lot of mistakes over the years and his bashing of the PGA Tour certainly didn't go well nor help his image either.
guadalupeag
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Bunk Moreland said:

Instead of conversations splintering off on LIV tournament threads, or the saudi thread, etc. let's just consolidate a thread for topics pertaining to all of professional golf.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-rank-and-file-criticize

Good article with some interesting takes by Tour 'mules'



Good article. Highlights what another poster (JAC1?) mentioned on another thread. LIV didn't give the players leverage over the tour, it gave the elite players leverage over the "mules" of the tour.
Nom de Plume
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MarkPro said:

Bunk, it is inevitable that any further discussions relating to professional golf, will at some point include references to LIV.

My personal take is that right or wrong, Phil was basically correct in asserting the problems with the PGAT. Having said that, his approach was completely misguided. It's been said in many articles that there was no impetus for the tour to change the status quo, because there was no one to compete with them. It's my understanding that the tour was set up to be run by the players, for the players, and somewhere along the way, that changed. Now with the radical reactions by the tour to LIV, it appears that the rank and file are grumbling. Can the PGAT make everyone happy? Doubtful, but that's the way most of life is.

The argument for the smaller, no cut tournaments, is that it will keep all the best players on site for 4 days. While there might be some merit to that from a sponsor standpoint, as a fan, I wouldn't want to watch, say Rory, who's 5 over, and would have missed the cut, play on the weekend, and possibly slap it around some more. Just my take.

I guess I could go on and on about the discussions that have played out on the board on the other threads, but I'll sit back and enjoy the show that is The Golf Board!



Yeah, Phil's method wasn't the best. But it did bring good changes (IMO) to PGAT play. In the end that's a good thing. I think all of us that are being honest with ourselves knows LIV is a temporary thing.

And I disagree about not watching Rory on the weekend when he would have normally missed the cut. Some folks might only be able to go on the weekend. And who wouldn't want to see a guy like that live in person, possibly get hot, and finish respectable?
JCA1
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guadalupeag said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Instead of conversations splintering off on LIV tournament threads, or the saudi thread, etc. let's just consolidate a thread for topics pertaining to all of professional golf.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-rank-and-file-criticize

Good article with some interesting takes by Tour 'mules'



Good article. Highlights what another poster (JAC1?) mentioned on another thread. LIV didn't give the players leverage over the tour, it gave the elite players leverage over the "mules" of the tour.


That was me. I just thought the few posters who kept arguing that the Tour deserved its comeuppance for not taking care of its "players" were incredibly simplistic. The "players" are often at odds with each other. Navigating the myriad of interests is more complex than some gave it credit.

As for the new schedule, aside from the no-cut aspect, I'm a fan. While it's understandable that the Tour wouldn't explicitly confirm it before, some events have always meant more than others. To officially recognize that is a good thing and should result in the top players coordinating their schedules more. I also like the projected pace of the schedule.
guadalupeag
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JCA1 said:

guadalupeag said:

Bunk Moreland said:

Instead of conversations splintering off on LIV tournament threads, or the saudi thread, etc. let's just consolidate a thread for topics pertaining to all of professional golf.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-rank-and-file-criticize

Good article with some interesting takes by Tour 'mules'



Good article. Highlights what another poster (JAC1?) mentioned on another thread. LIV didn't give the players leverage over the tour, it gave the elite players leverage over the "mules" of the tour.


That was me. I just thought the few posters who kept arguing that the Tour deserved its comeuppance for not taking care of its "players" were incredibly simplistic. The "players" are often at odds with each other. Navigating the myriad of interests is more complex than some gave it credit.

As for the new schedule, aside from the no-cut aspect, I'm a fan. While it's understandable that the Tour wouldn't explicitly confirm it before, some events have always meant more than others. To officially recognize that is a good thing and should result in the top players coordinating their schedules more. I also like the projected pace of the schedule.


Completely agree. That said, there's always unindented consequences to change. We don't see it yet, but there may be some negatives to all the changes down the line.
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