Fellas,

Y'all familiar with this format? Two man best ball USGA Ghin handicapped. Each team designates 6 Red, White or Blue Tees.

What's the objective here... Go for Eagles on Par4s and 5s by playing the Reds etc?

I don't see the benefit of shortening the par 3s as if you ever play a par 3 tournaments with holes shorter than 100 yards, many struggle...

What's your strategy?

Historically scoring on par 3s is the worst. I'd love to see the statistical analysis on playing 6 par 3s at 105 and 6 par 5s at 575 VS 6 par 3s at 175 vs 6 par 5s at 450.


I think I make WAY more birdies on 5s and 4s playing from the whites, than I do bogies from the blues on par 3s. That's completely anecdotal though.

I'd take my luck on par 3s from the blues with a partner, and just try to mash our way through par 5s from the reds. Maybe if there were a VERY short par 4, I'd use a red tee on it. Only if it were truly an eagle opportunity though. I'm thinking of 10 at westridge as something I would use reds, but not necessarily 4.

khaos288 said:

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Historically scoring on par 3s is the worst. I'd love to see the statistical analysis on playing 6 par 3s at 105 and 6 par 5s at 575 VS 6 par 3s at 175 vs 6 par 5s at 450.


I think I make WAY more birdies on 5s and 4s playing from the whites, than I do bogies from the blues on par 3s. That's completely anecdotal though.

I'd take my luck on par 3s from the blues with a partner, and just try to mash our way through par 5s from the reds. Maybe if there were a VERY short par 4, I'd use a red tee on it. Only if it were truly an eagle opportunity though. I'm thinking of 10 at westridge as something I would use reds, but not necessarily 4.

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This is a good golfer syndrome. Typically Par5s have lower handicap rating (harder) as most average and worse golfers struggle. Par 5s essentially are short par 3s for good golfers. For me, 150 yard plus par 3s are tougher than 550 yard par 5s.

https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/course/course/489635e2-9391-4296-b90f-0024113781c6/detailedscorecard.htm

My partner is a D3 golfer and except for 12 and 15th(water), we can drive the greens on rest of the par4s from the reds.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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khaos288 said:

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Historically scoring on par 3s is the worst. I'd love to see the statistical analysis on playing 6 par 3s at 105 and 6 par 5s at 575 VS 6 par 3s at 175 vs 6 par 5s at 450.


I think I make WAY more birdies on 5s and 4s playing from the whites, than I do bogies from the blues on par 3s. That's completely anecdotal though.

I'd take my luck on par 3s from the blues with a partner, and just try to mash our way through par 5s from the reds. Maybe if there were a VERY short par 4, I'd use a red tee on it. Only if it were truly an eagle opportunity though. I'm thinking of 10 at westridge as something I would use reds, but not necessarily 4.

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This is a good golfer syndrome. Typically Par5s have lower handicap rating (harder) as most average and worse golfers struggle. Par 5s essentially are short par 3s for good golfers. For me, 150 yard plus par 3s are tougher than 550 yard par 5s.

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Yeah, I have no data collection since I don't use Grint any more.

When I look at front 9 westridge, and calculate to have the lowest amount of yardage for approach shots that will give me birdie opportunities, I would do this.

1. par 5 from reds 481. Driver 4 iron gets me green high. Chipping (0) for approach to birdie
2. par 4 from blues 425. Driver 9 iron. 150 for approach to birdie
3. par 3 from the blues 154. 9 iron. 154 for approach to birdie
4. par 4 from whites 286. Driver/3w sets you up right in front of the trap. Short pitch (30) for approach to birdie.
5. par 3 from blues 133. PW. 133 approach to birdie.
6. par 5 from reds 418. Driver wedge. Chipping/putting (0) for approach to birdie
7. par 3 from reds 110 (only par three with such a huge disparity, 190 from blues). Wedge. 110 for approach to birdie
8. par 4 from whites 406. driver wedge 130 approach to birdie
9. par 5 from whites 525. Driver fairway wood. 30 yard pitch approach to birdie.

With those choices, your average shot to give yourself a chance at birdie is 82 yards.

The opposite strategy would be something like.

1. par 5 from blue 550. driver, fairway wood. 55 yard pitch approach to birdie.
2. par 4 reds 310. driver wedge. 45 yard pitch approach to birdie.
3. par 3 reds 104. wedge. 104 yard pitch approach to birdie.
4. same
5. par 3 from reds 84 yards. wedge. 84 yards approach to birdie.
6. par 5 from blues 520. Driver fairway wood. 25 yard pitch approach to birdie.
7. par 3 from blues 190. 6 iron. 190 yard approach to birdie.
8. same
9. same

With those choices, you end up with 77 yards average shot into your birdie chance.

I think I would still go with the first group. I think I could capitalize more on the delta between the first two par 5s, and never have an approach longer than 154 than to have a ton of 25, 30, 30, 45 type pitches plus the wicked 190 par 3.

Long story short. It all depends. I think bogie avoidance is paramount in a 2 man, so removing the 190 par 3 is a must. Then you have to build as many birdie opportunities as possible. The pars on average/slightly harder than average can be assumed/calculated.

AggieDruggist89 said:

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https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/course/course/489635e2-9391-4296-b90f-0024113781c6/detailedscorecard.htm

My partner is a D3 golfer and except for 12 and 15th(water), we can drive the greens on rest of the par4s from the reds.

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I want to play #14 from the reds on that course

Reds for drivable par 4s. Blues for holes where it isn't likely to make a big difference and you are playing for par either way. For par 5s, I would look to use the tees that are the farthest back but still a chance to reach in 2. If you can't reach in 2, play blue.

Par 3, make sure you can get on the green. I think whites make sense for most of them.

Great analysis dude...

I agree with Bogey avoidance is paramount.

I'm also thinking where can Eagles come instead of Birdies...as if we are playing 250-300 yard par 4s, we are looking for the big bird... shifting our mind set.

khaos288 said:

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AggieDruggist89 said:

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https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/course/course/489635e2-9391-4296-b90f-0024113781c6/detailedscorecard.htm

My partner is a D3 golfer and except for 12 and 15th(water), we can drive the greens on rest of the par4s from the reds.

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I want to play #14 from the reds on that course

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Well, I've eagled it twice from Blue. Once in the match play final, chip in from about 20 yards...that hit the green hard with a massive zip and right to left break that hit the hole hard. Dagger.

Thanks. I love math and golf haha.

I definitely agree on potential eagles, for me it would be the par 5s. That 9 has one short par 4, but it's way too easy to go 1 degree left into the water, or 1 degree right and miss into a bunker or right of the green where you have hard pan chips back into a green that flows into the water on the far side.

On the back of Westridge I would swap the short par 4 for reds. It's insanely short with a big green and no OB trouble.

Kansas Kid said:

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Reds for drivable par 4s. Blues for holes where it isn't likely to make a big difference and you are playing for par either way. For par 5s, I would look to use the tees that are the farthest back but still a chance to reach in 2. If you can't reach in 2, play blue.

Par 3, make sure you can get on the green. I think whites make sense for most of them.

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Agree with everything except Playing for Par