Howdy,

Quick question: do Corps units rotate through different dorms each year or are they consistently housed in the same dorm year to year?

Thanks

I went from 12 to 2 to 4. Stayed in 2 for two years.

I think the answer is "it depends."

Since the 1940's the Band dorms have been 9 & 11

Right now there is a lot of movement resulting from dorm renovations, so I would expect numerous Corps units to be in different dorms each year until the project is complete.

Typically major units will move around each year based on grades, with the exception of the band.

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Typically major units will move around each year based on grades

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How do they factor grades into housing?

And only the BQ's EVER venture into Dorm 11.

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And only the BQ's EVER venture into Dorm 11

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VERY TRUE!

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As a Bull...

Brave man, you. It was quite rare in our era for a Trigon Bull to come into any dorm, much less all the way down the Quad to Dorm 11. I can count on my thumb the times I remember in my 4 years.

Thanks for the responses!

The unit my daughter is joining in the Fall is in one of the renovated dorms and I was wondering if it'll stay the same or not. She'll have a great experience either way!

The major units with better grades will be placed in the newer renovated dorms. There is no telling what will happen next year (2015-2016) when a large portion of the Corps will be moved to the commons.

New dorms.

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Brave man, you. It was quite rare in our era for a Trigon Bull to come into any dorm, much less all the way down the Quad to Dorm 11. I can count on my thumb the times I remember in my 4 years

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One of the guys in our company was lucky enough to have a Vice Admiral CINCPAC as a dad. I think he visited three times and was reviewing officer at march in once. Other than that, I don't remember our advisor (an A-6 pilot) in our dorm very often.

You mentioned moving dorms, I lived on the fourth stoop all four years. K-2 first stoop, E-2 (and the dog, hit the wall for a dog for a year) always on the 2nd, M-2(I think) on the third and S-2 4th. We always had P-2 satelliting too.

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It was quite rare in our era for a Trigon Bull to come into any dorm,

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Nothing like coming back from morning chow to find the commandant in your room waiting for you.

What's the final capacity of the quad supposed to be? I got an e-mail saying they expect 2500 cadets to start next year, and it's my understanding that the old quad could only hold 2400 and the new dorms are losing capacity...

I sure wouldn't mind being a cadet in the commons.

You got some day ducks in the count.

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it's my understanding that the old quad could only hold 2400 and the new dorms are losing capacity...

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If I remember correctly, each dorm can hold roughly 230 cadets. With twelve dorms (and factoring in half of 1st deck dorm 2 is office space, quad capacity is ~2700 +- ~40.

Also, if I remember correctly the newly renovated dorms have the same capacity.

2 kids/room @ 28 rooms/stoop @ 4 stoops/dorm @ 12 dorms = 2688 kids - ~10 room equivalents used for other stuff (BQ drum room, Dorm 2 Corps HQ, etc.) = capacity for 2678 cadets in the Quad. Someone with modern/refurbished Quad dorm knowledge make adjustments to the above.

20 years ago folks thought the Corps would NEVER take back all the Quad. Excellent news, good work, SF.

BQ74,

The drum rooms and other storage were turned into rooms several years ago.
I admit I don't remember if it was 28 or 30 rooms per floor.
Other than HQ, 1 room per dorm as CTO office, and the laundry rooms in dorms 1 and 3, capacity is still roughly 2700.

Now my count/knowledge is ~2 years old.
With dorm 7 ( and subsequent dorms being down) that total goes down to ~2500 cadets. Part of the reason for the triple rooms has been: 1) upper classmen cannot room with their juniors (seniors with sophomores etc.) 2) people from different outfits cannot room together.

I have heard that once the new dorm is built on west campus some nonregs will be forced out of (probably one of the commons dorms) and several quad dorms outfits will move in; allowing new than 1 dorm renovation at a time.

To clarify for everyone, this summer we will complete renovation of the third Corps dorm (dorm 7, Leonard Hall) and open our second Leadership Learning Center (LLC) on the quad - the Grady Ash LLC. Next year there will be NO renovation on the quad while they begin building a new dorm on West Campus. That means we will have all 12 dorms available for the Corps this school year: a total of approx 2620 beds.

The following year the current plan is to renovate the remaining 9 dorms that have not yet been renovated, along with building 2 more Leadership Learning Centers (LLCs) and renovating the interior of the quad (paving and landscaping) in a year to 18 months. The cadets who occupy those 9 dorms will move to the Commons during the renovation, and the non-regs from the Commons will move to the new dorms on West Campus. When complete, the quad renovation will still leave the quad with approx 2600 beds when all is said and done.

Hope that clarifies things for all. While plans have not yet been finalized for the complete renovation of the entire quad, the intent is to complete the quad by 2017, and still have a capacity of ~2600 beds in all 12 dorms.

Thanks for your support of our Corps. Gig 'em!

Good bull. Take the Commons and grow the Corps so that we keep it. That will be a serious change of pace for those kids that year in the Commons. Who would have thought?

I appreciate that the Commandant reads these threads and responds to them.

Learning Centers? Academic perks like the athletes get?

Dorm 2 for 4 years with staph on the first floor

2600 had been a goal for so long, it had almost morphed into a dream.... and now it's almost a reality. A concerted, continuous, and coordinated effort by the Commandant and his staff (both cadre and cadet) and the leadership of both the University and Board of Regents has made it happen. Once we hit 2,600...

Will this be the end of the growth of the Corps?

I don't know, but I hope not. Let me offer this....

The "Vision 2020" plan for the University was the result of a planning process with focus groups looking at the academic colleges, the faculty/staff, the built environment, athletics... and the Corps of Cadets. The work of these focus groups was published in a "Groundwork Report" that was the baseline research document for what eventually became the "Vision 2020" plan for Texas A&M.

In the Groundwork Report, the Corps of Cadets focus group touched on many of the improvements that have/are happening with the Corps. With regards to strength, this report recommended that the Corps grow and stabilize at a level of 3,600-4,000 cadets. A worthy goal, to be sure, especially if the university is projected to continue to increase its enrollment.

Where would we put the extra 1,000+ cadets?

The Quad= 2,600 beds +/-
The Southside modular dormitories (Appelt, Eppright, Rudder, Underwood, and Wells)=1,305 beds, +/-.

I'll leave the math to you.

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Where would we put the extra 1,000+ cadets?

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Let's think big. There is a plan to build a new band room and drill field on the old bonfire site (Duncan drill field).

Why not look at building 2 band dorms, 360 feet long x 4 stories tall, as part of that complex? They could be placed along the east and west sidelines, similar to the layout of the current drill field and dorm 11.

I'd think that new dorms could house 400+, so that could facilitate 800 bq's in the future!

Let's move the fish to Bryan Airfield!

Not real happy about the new 'band hall' deal because Rhea will be having the non-reg music folks using it, too. Not a good precedent long term for the Aggie Band as we know it.

Seriously hoping that SF and his successors NEVER let the 'control' of the Aggie Band revert to some future Music Department geek in the College of Liberal Arts.

From my cold dead hands (Trumpet over head).....

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Rhea will be having the non-reg music folks using it, too.

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Non-reg music students already use the existing band hall. Are you aware the university has multiple non-reg ensembles?

Also, FTAB is not a music class, it is a kinesiology class, and thus not subject to control by any of the colleges.

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Yeah, I know and have known for a long time. Still don't like it and will NEVER support it in ANY manner. Actions have consequences.

LTC Adams used to give all the band fish an 'A' each semester as credit for not having to take PE; we got lots of physical education in back in the day.



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The concert and symphonic bands are run by Dr. Rhea.

There is no plan to limit the growth of the Corps once we get to 2600. We are currently going through a planning process of our own, looking out to 2020 and beyond, and size of the Corps is a big part of that planning.

For context, the only mandate that President Loftin gave me when I became Commandant was to "grow the Corps to 2600 by 2020." We are going to achieve that 5 years earlier than mandated, but have no plans to stop growing the Corps. For now, we are looking at growth to 3000 by 2020, and what the logistical considerations would be to accommodate such growth (dorms, uniforms, staff, academic support, scholarships, Duncan Dining Hall, etc). We should have something to present to the President by the beginning of the school year, but we have no plans at this time to stop at 2600.

As for the Band/Music Building, there is certainly NO threat to the Aggie Band by building such a facility. The cornerstone of that building is the Aggie Band rehearsal hall and the new, turfed Aggie Band Drill Field. Believe me when I say that the organization that will get the biggest use of that building will be the Aggie Band.

However, Ryan the Temp had it right when he said that non-regs are already a big part of the music program based in the current Adams Band Hall. A total of over 1200 students from across campus use the Adams Band Hall as they participate in 9 different Bands, Orchestras, and Symphonies - some of which have won national and international acclaim. Currently A&M has the 2nd largest music program in the nation - behind only the University of Illinois - and that fact has never posed a threat to the Aggie Band at all. And it won't in the future when we build the new Band/Music building on Duncan Field.

Hope this helps. I am a big advocate for a large, robust, visible, active, engaged Corps, and I firmly believe it will be that way for well into the foreseeable future. That includes a large Aggie Band that continues to be the Pulse of the Spirit of Aggieland - just as it has been for over a century.

Thanks for your support of our Corps! Gig 'em!

The Hullabloo Pep Band (like in "the camel's nose under the tent" analogy) will jointly occupy the new & improved FTAB hall (destined for construction in the open space directly behind Duncan).

In ten years Hullabaloo will be alternating with FTAB at Kyle halftimes.

Err bop, aren't you the ol'Ag who once predicted Texas A&M would NEVER go...co-ed ?