Texas Army National Guard Questions

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SaltyTxAg
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I had a few questions regarding the Texas Army National Guard. I didn't find a thread that has already answered the questions I have, so I am sorry in advance if I sound like a broken record. Anyway, here you go:

1. How long is the commitment for the Guard?
2. If you are in the Guard, how does or did your employer accommodate your schedule for your Guard obligations and training? Do they resent you for having to make special considerations for you?
3. How long does someone have to serve before someone qualifies for the GI Bill?
4. Honestly, how tough is basic training?
5. Do you truly enjoy being in the Guard?
6. Which route is the best way to go regarding OCS?
7. What are some of the automatic medical issues that will DQ you from even joining, such as surgeries, medication, past injuries?

Thank yall in advance for your responses.
"Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids or somethin' you nerve-wracking sons-of-b**ches."
Swing Your Saber
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My nephew (Agg) ran the San Antonio MEPS at his last assignment & his best friend at school is the current (or former?) TX guard OCS S-3. Between the two of them they can probably answer all of your questions. My email is msefst at gmail dot com. Drop me a line & I will put you in touch w/them.
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Thank you, I'll shoot you an email here shortly. I appreciate it.
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CT'97
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1. How long is the commitment for the Guard?
Depends on your enlistment, generally 4-8 years.
2. If you are in the guard, how does or did your employer accommodate your schedule for your Guard obligations and training? Do they resent you for having to make special considerations for you?
My boss was very understanding and supportive. But I know of several who were not. The slowing down of the deployment schedules for the Guard should solve a lot of this.
3. How long does someone have to serve before someone qualifies for the GI Bill?
It depends, talk to a recruiter who can give you specifics.
4. Honestly, how tough is basic training?
Not really, parts sucked, but overall it was just a matter of getting up and doing what you were told when you were told. If you are not in shape or can't keep your ego in check you will have a harder time.
5. Do you truly enjoy being in the Guard?
Yes I did, many great friends.
6. Which route is the best way to go regarding OCS?
The OCS S3 might have a different answer but in my opinion a straight OCS enlistment option is the best route. It's the quickest way to a commission. If you have your degree, and I assume you do, go for the accelerated program and get your commission as fast as possible.
7. What are some of the automatic medical issues that will DQ you from even joining, such as surgeries, medication, past injuries?
Most of the standard stuff that would prevent you from doing Army stuff outdoors. Again, I'll refer you to a recruiter to sort that out. It's their job to make sure you meet the standards before they take you to MEPS.
Schrute Farms
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Just adding my two cents to the previous posts. I'm assuming you're gathering info before committing to a recruiter. I did the same thing and enjoyed hearing differing accounts from people.

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1. How long is the commitment for the Guard?

  • Expect 6-8 years. Six years active drill time - two years non-drilling time.
2. If you are in the guard, how does or did your employer accommodate your schedule for your Guard obligations and training? Do they resent you for having to make special considerations for you?

  • My employer has endured almost two cumulative years of me being absent. They have always been accommodating but I understand the stress it places on scheduling and overtime pay. Regardless of positive attitudes, it's tough on the employer and may inadvertently affect you.
  • Do not buy into the one weekend a month, two weeks a year schedule. Expect to be deployed - Texas deploys more than any other state to countries well beyond OIF/OEF. The train up + deployment is going to knock out a year of your life.
  • If you're a hard charger or placed in a leadership position (especially officer) you will be attending schools throughout the year. These can be anywhere from one week to three months in length.
  • Honesty is the best way to maintain positive standing with your employer. They are forced to accommodate your Guard schedule. It goes a long way to help them with these schedule changes and being up front about upcoming changes.

3. How long does someone have to serve before someone qualifies for the GI Bill?

  • Your GI Bill is conditional to your active days served. Everyone receives the GI Bill following IET. However, it's only a % of the GI Bill. In order to earn the full %, you have to put in a lot of active time. Most guys need two full deployments to achieve 90-100% GI Bill status.
  • However, Texas is freaking awesome. While investing days into your GI Bill, you have state and federal tuition assistance to help with school. Additionally, if you max out your GI Bill benefits, the Hazlewood Act provides even more financial aid.

4. Honestly, how tough is basic training?

  • It depends on your preparation. If you enter as a fat body, it's going to be tougher than entering as a PT stud. Same with memorizing accountable material.
  • New soldiers are protected. There is a limit DSs can smoke you, a limit to sleep deprivation, a limit to "verbal abuse", etc. Again, if you enter prepared it's all about playing the game and mental endurance.
  • The hardest part is having no freedom, dealing with younger guys entering life experience, missing family, and wondering why the heck you signed up in the first place.

5. Do you truly enjoy being in the Guard?

  • 100%. One of the best decisions to date.

6. Which route is the best way to go regarding OCS?

  • Are you discussing the difference between enlisting then commissioning v. straight commissioning? Federal OCS v. State OCS?

7. What are some of the automatic medical issues that will DQ you from even joining, such as surgeries, medication, past injuries?

  • This is where I completely defer to the recruiter. You never know until they drop your packet. Some recruiters are more creative than others...some Docs at MEPS are stricter than others. You're never DQ'd until you're actually DQ'd.

HTH. If you decide to contact a recruiter, contact one that is recommended by someone you trust. Two close friends have been recruiting for a few years and they're very honest about the difference in quality between exceptional recruiters and guys just serving their time. Contact the exceptional recruiter.

Best of luck.


Kyle98
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Just to add a bit more from my experience to what others have already said. Current Guard officer here, non-prior service, enlisted with the OCS option.

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1. How long is the commitment for the Guard?
Only thing I have to add is that if you do commission, your enlisted contract is torn up, and you begin a new 8 year obligation (6 years drilling, 2 years IRR) at that point, I believe.


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2. If you are in the guard, how does or did your employer accommodate your schedule for your Guard obligations and training? Do they resent you for having to make special considerations for you?
I've been lucky with employers, I haven't had a problem at all. As was mentioned above, officers and senior NCOs can expect to spend quite a bit of time between drills prepping for the next drill weekend and beyond, plus extra time for schools, etc. This year is going to be the first year since I commissioned (2011) that I will have done only 1 annual training period. I haven't deployed yet, but I'm still away quite a bit.
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3. How long does someone have to serve before someone qualifies for the GI Bill?
Nothing to add to this than the info above.


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4. Honestly, how tough is basic training?
It's as hard as you make it. The physical stuff gets easier as it goes and you get in better shape. The hardest part for me was being an older guy (I was 33) and dealing with the immaturity of all the kids in your platoon.


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5. Do you truly enjoy being in the Guard?
Absolutely. Home station drills can be a chore, sometimes, but I love going out in the field and getting dirty. As an artillery officer, I get paid to shoot really big guns, how awesome is that?


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6. Which route is the best way to go regarding OCS?
I did the 09S enlistment, which is enlisting to go to OCS. I went to BCT, then came home and drilled with my assigned unit until pre-OCS drills started in March. There were well over 150 candidates that first drill. I think we sent 25 or so to accelerated (it was pretty much a requirement that you be prior-service to get accelerated or be an absolute PT stud, there were so few slots for so many who wanted to go) and we had 45ish start the traditional program. I did the traditional program. Two weeks at Salina, KS in June, then 12 months of 3 day (Fri evening to Sun evening) drills at Camp Swift (between Bastop and Elgin on TX95), then 2 weeks at Fort Lewis, WA in July.

If you have more questions about OCS, let me know, I'll be happy to answer. If I don't know the answer, I can get it, my first CO after commissioning is now the OCS commander for the TXARNG.


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7. What are some of the automatic medical issues that will DQ you from even joining, such as surgeries, medication, past injuries?

Like the others said, this is best answered by a recruiter.
SaltyTxAg
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Thank yall so much for all of the information, I really do appreciate it. I'm class of 2007, and 30 years old. I figured if I am going to do it, I need to do it now.
"Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids or somethin' you nerve-wracking sons-of-b**ches."
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You might consider the Army Reserve as well. My husband did it in 2011 and has loved it. He qualified for the GI Bill Reserve immediately after AIT and had a kicker in his enlistment contract for additional money on top of his GI bill. He also got a $20,000 enlistment bonus whereas the Guard offered nothing. He did enlist but is going into their direct commissioning program this fall and will be 2LT after a relatively short training. Much less time commitment than OCS. Keep in mind with the Reserves you won't be subject to things like hurricane relief or disasters the governor can call you up for. There's also no combat arms in the reserves which can be a downside if that's what you're looking for. My husband is a 68A and his AIT was 44 weeks in addition to the 10 weeks of basic. So he basically had a year of active duty under his belt after he finished training.
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Having worked with both, I'll second the recommendation to look at the reserves. Unless you're dead set on being combat arms, I'd say it's a better option across the board for many reasons I'd be willing to discuss in private so as not to offend good folks in the Guard.

And frankly, if you are deadset on combat arms, there's some MOS options that would get you far more deployment opportunities which would be vastly more intense than being combat arms but never mobilizing.
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2. If you are in the guard, how does or did your employer accommodate your schedule for your Guard obligations and training? Do they resent you for having to make special considerations for you?
If you're going to miss work, you have to provide your employer a copy of your orders or drill schedule or whatever legitimate documenation as early in advance as you can. Maybe some barracks lawyer can correct me but I think the minimum is like 30 days in advance. Your drill weekends will most likely be scheduled 6+ months in advance so this won't be too much of a problem.

Caveat to drill scheduling. There is some dependence on whether Dallas has a televised game or not At least during my era anyway.

Your employer is obligated to let you go to drill and most importantly the 2 week Annual Training. They are not obligated to pay you for the time you didn't work. There are lots of scenarios out there for pay during AT.

When I worked for the State of Texas, they would give you up to 3 weeks time off with pay for National Guard AT. When I worked for Dell, they would do some sort of deal where they would reimburse you for the delta between your Guard pay and your Dell salary so that you didn't lose money by serving in the Guard. So, it depends greatly on the employer.

If you look carefully at many of the folks higher up the ranks, you'll find that many of them are teachers, State and Local Government employees, etc. Folks who get lots of time off. My perception was also that many of the long-term Guardsmen might not have civilian jobs that were extremely demanding.

So, I never had any trouble getting time off or getting hassled about it. But... be warned, when you're not in the office for 2 weeks, even though you've been busting your ass putting in 16+ hour days everyday, you're co-workers believe you were on vacation and having a great time "playing Army". I helped dispel some of that perception when one of my co-workers asked me about how good the Air Conditioning system was on the M1 Abrams Tank.

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5. Do you truly enjoy being in the Guard?
This is a Yes and No. I think back to some of the times I had and they were great. There were also a ton of really miserable times too. I liked learning how to lead people and training a team to become technically and tactically proficient at their military job regardless of what their civilian job might have been - jailer, police officer, butcher, janitor, data processing specialist, student, backhoe operator, etc.

I'll say this, two of my best friends in the entire world and two guys who I would trust even more than my Corps buddies are the guy who was my first tank gunner and a guy who was a fellow Platoon Leader. Those two guys are among the very few who I would trust without question. By the way, that doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes and so on. It just means that I have a deeper bond wtih those two guys than anybody else I know.

Did I enjoy putting main gun down range and rocking off on the .50 cal MG? Oh yes. Did I enjoy all the paperwork and general dick arounds the Guard throws at you? No. But... what you can learn from this is the ability to run circles around most of your civilian peers. Especially the ones who punch out at 5pm and forget about work unti 8am tomorrow.

There will be a day when you ask yourself how long you should stay in for. That's your decision. Personally, I got to a point where the demands for my Guard job (extra training activities, etc.) were conflicting with my civilian job (extra demands at work, etc.) and I needed to make a decision. I could excel at one or the other but not both. Since the civilian job paid significantly more and offered many more growth opportunities, I wrapped it up after 6 years and spend my final 2 years IRR.

Hope that helps. I say do it. Years down the road, you won't regret having served. Of course if your hair is as long as mine is, you might surprise some people when they find out that you did serve.
SaltyTxAg
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Again everyone, thank you very much for yall's insight, I am going to be deciding in the next few weeks, so everything yall have said is helping me make a decision.
"Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids or somethin' you nerve-wracking sons-of-b**ches."
HollywoodBQ
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Funny timing on this. My fellow Tank Platoon Leader buddy that I described earlier is meeting me in Los Angeles in about 3 weeks time to see RUSH in concert. He and I both have to go to go to the SF Bay Area for work the following week. He was going to fly but after he found out I was driving from LA - SF, it looks like he might decide to tag along with me. There aren't many people I would be willing to invite into my car for a 5-6 hour drive but, a guy I developed a great relationship with in the Guard. Yeah. That would actually be fun. There will be no unpredictable BS from this guy I've spent a significant amount of time in the field with.
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I served as an instructor for the TXARNG OCS for a couple of years if you have any specific questions about National Guard OCS.
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The problem is slots. I was in both the TXARNG and Army Reserve. It is best to get into a specialty that has positions available, especially as one gets promoted. In the TXARNG, I found positions in SA and Austin and I am in SA. In the Reserves, I drilled in Dallas and then found out that my position was being transferred to Utah. I retired before that happened.

Right now, I work with an individual (1st LT) that has to travel to El Paso and he is a FA officer. He is transferring to the IRR. It is not economically feasible to stay in the Guard.

Do some research before making a decision. It will save you some heartache down the road.
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I'm an FA officer in El Paso (out here for AT right now, actually) who lives in DFW, and the travel is annoying, buy by no means crippling. Even as a 1LT, the pay covers the flights, and leaves me a little extra. If you're joining for the paycheck, you're going to be disappointed anyway, so I look at the money I do make as a bonus. I'm sure I know the guy you're talking about, and each individual situation is different, so I'm not saying he's wrong, but I thought I'd provide an alternate view.

Sapper, when were you an instructor?
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Fall of 08 until the fall of 2010. Long enough to know Salina sucks but the job was fun.
Kyle98
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I enjoyed my year and a half in OCS, Class 54, 2010-2011. I'm sure we crossed paths.

My first company commander post-OCS is the OCS commander now, and he called me a few months back asking if I needed a CPT slot. I had just got moved from battery XO to BN staff, so I'm good for now, but I might try to do a couple of years as a TAC/Instructor after I have a battery command under my belt.
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Everybody else seems to have answered the questions pretty thoroughly, but I want to add one key point:

Verify that everything your recruiter promises you is in writing. Be it a bonus, a G.I Bill kicker, Student Loan Repayment, OCS, etc.

It seems like common sense, but a lot of people trust their recruiter too much, and a lot of recruiters just don't care enough to do all the work the right way.
SaltyTxAg
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Thanks for the heads up, I'm going to for sure get everything in writing. I'll be deciding in the next few weeks when I'm actually going to go to MEPS. Thanks for all of yalls input. I do appreciate it.
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Have you talked to a recruiter yet?
SaltyTxAg
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I wanted to give y'all an update. I spoke with a recruiter and will be going to MEPS sometime in January. I am finishing up my MBA in March and trying to get locked into a BCT slot for April or May. I wanted to go the traditional OCS route, but I would have to wait a whole year to start OCS due to it only having one class a year and I would not be out of BCT in time. As of right now they said I would be eligible for federal OCS, but my recruiter would have to do some more research. I have a few more questions if someone could help by answering them:

1) What MOS officer positions should I avoid at all cost if I can help it?

2) What are MOS officer positions are the most desirable?

3) Besides getting into shape, what should I work on mentally to be prepared to understand what I'm getting myself into at 30 years old.

Again guys, thank y'all for your responses, and if any of y'all are willing to reach out and give me any other advice, I'm all ears.
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Understand that if you want something, get it in writing from the get go.

The promises of "your unit will send you to XXX" are bull****. Your unit won't give a **** about you.
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Hey, Naveronski - your comment about the unit not giving a damn about you - not sure about your experience that made you state that, but for the most part, if not all, TXARNG units have leadership (Enlisted, NCOs and Officers) that care about the Soldiers, making sure that they get fed, get water, get ammo, get their mil ed taken care of, that they have the right uniforms, are not standing out in a formation baking under the sun, getting frostbitten, etc.

I can so with 100% confidence that in my 29+ years in the Guard - all in Texas and in one in Afghanistan - that I've never seen or heard a Leader do or say anything that would indicate that they're not taking care of a Soldier. That goes for Guard units I've worked with from WV, OH, OR, CA, FL, MS, and LA too. Throw in some USAR units, along with Active Duty Army, and some Seabees and some Air Force guys too.

Yes, sometimes, a Soldier gets screwed around by the system, and sometimes it's their own doing that does it to them - but never intentionally. Does it happen? Yes. It happens in corporate America more than the military.

But to say that a unit doesn't care? I would expect you to have some solid evidence to support that.

PS - I don't want to get into any sort of long, drawn out discussion on this thread - you're painting an incorrect picture of the Guard, and the Army overall.
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PS - I don't want to get into any sort of long, drawn out discussion on this thread - you're painting an incorrect picture of the Guard, and the Army overall.
I disagree. Although blunt, Naveronski isn't giving bad advice.

Avoiding a point-by-point break down as to why he is right, I'll leave it at this: Your unit may care about you in terms of "bullets and beans" but your career is on you. The NG is filled with politics, bullet points, and paperwork that leaves many good Soldiers hanging out to dry because they put too much faith in the people above them.
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Congrats!

Best of luck to you as you prep for the long haul.

In regards to preparation, Google has about everything I could put on here. The best advice I can give is to have fun. We had an MBA holder near 30 in my Basic. He received so much **** from the DSs for being educated but sucking at learning new skills (which is expected). The fact that you're an officer candidate and have a grad degree, expect for some excellent insults to come your way.
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Get everything in writing. You are the only one who truly cares about your career. In that regard be selfish and take care of you.
Naveronski
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Yes, my unit feeds us.

And that has nothing to do with the senior leadership's attitude toward their soldiers.

My initial point was regarding career progression, as another poster mentioned. False promises run rampant, so expect that going in, and realize no one will do anything for a soldier unless they are required to. You are a line item, easily replaced.
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86sq, having served over 30 years on Active, NG, and the Reserves and having been to places like Bosnia, Iraq, and a few other places, I have been assigned to very good units and have been in very bad units and it is reflective as to the leadership.

My first experience as a Commissioned Officer was with the TXARNG and it almost destroyed my career even before it started. I had to appeal three OER's that were slanted and untrue as to my performance and it not only happened to me, but to several other officers in my unit solely because the Battalion Commander disliked my Company Commander.

After the successful appeal, I wrote to the TXARNG IG about investigating this LTC and even though he was reprimanded, he still was later promoted to COL.

The door does swing both ways and politics, unfortunately, does holds sway.
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APHIS AG -

Point taken, and all the other comments made. Just proves that there's two sides to every story.
SaltyTxAg
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Again, anyone have some insight to these questions of mine?

1) What MOS officer positions should I avoid at all cost if I can help it?

2) What are MOS officer positions are the most desirable?

3) Besides getting into shape, what should I work on mentally to be prepared to understand what I'm getting myself into at 30 years old.
"Christ almighty, it's like I'm sittin' here playing cards with my brother's kids or somethin' you nerve-wracking sons-of-b**ches."
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Again, anyone have some insight to these questions of mine?

1) What MOS officer positions should I avoid at all cost if I can help it?

I would avoid anything with a small number of units and limited promotion potential. Other than that ask for something that you think you will enjoy doing.

2) What are MOS officer positions are the most desirable?

Combat arms generally would be my choice but that depends on you. Do you think you will enjoy putting a 60-80 ruck on and sleeping under the stars? If not maybe Infantry isn't for you. Do you like sitting in front of a laptop digging through reports and maps and putting together information, maybe Intel is for you.

Honestly don't worry about branch that much, at least not yet. While at OCS you will have plenty of time to figure that out and put together your wish list. They try to balance that wish list based on the needs of the units and determine where the new classes of 2LT's will go.

3) Besides getting into shape, what should I work on mentally to be prepared to understand what I'm getting myself into at 30 years old.

Just know that no matter what's going on it will eventually stop and you will get a meal and some sleep and eventually a shower. It might be 36 hrs or it might be longer but all training evolution's end so don't quit.

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Again, anyone have some insight to these questions of mine?

1) What MOS officer positions should I avoid at all cost if I can help it?

2) What are MOS officer positions are the most desirable?

3) Besides getting into shape, what should I work on mentally to be prepared to understand what I'm getting myself into at 30 years old.


1.) Any combat service support jobs (Finance, quartermaster, transpo)

2.) Aviation.

3.) Just realize that TRADOC will make you reconsider your life choices every day you are stuck in that environment. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Just remember, it gets better. It's not forever. Think of the poor schmucks who go through some sort of super soldier course in the worst weather possible. The initial entry training you will be going through isn't near as bad.

On that note - you will be in training with 17 year old kids to begin with. May the odds be ever in your favor. You're going to want to strangle people. Just wait. OCS will probably be every man out for himself. The OML will turn the nicest people into absolute d-bags, and that's when true colors really shine. Don't be one of the a-holes who lets his buddy fail because you want to come out on top. It gets noticed, and the Army is a lot smaller than you think.

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