Iranians in the Corps of Cadets "back in the day"?

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CanyonAg77
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Does anyone recall when Iranians started showing up on campus and joining the Corps? I don't think we had any my fish year, so this may have been 1974 or 1975.

My memory is that they only stayed for a year or two. The Shah was still in power, but maybe things were already in turmoil.

Or maybe the first cadets went home and started wildcatting, whipping out, and humping it, and they got put in asylums.

Anybody have one in their outfit, or recall associating with them?
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Smeghead4761
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I don't know if he was in the Corps, but next to the cash register at Shiraz Shish Kebab is a picture of a man I'm pretty sure is the owner, in a flight suit, next to a USAF trainer jet. Not sure if he was Shah-era Iranian air force or USAF.
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In the 70's and 80's Iranians were taking helicopter training in our Army, it was impossible to flunk one out. One even bought a house in downtown Dothan and threw massive parties. And Bell Helicopter had a large presence in Iran with a bunch of ex-Army pilots training Iranians until the overthrow. A friend of mine was one of the last to leave and said he had to lay on the floor of the bus going to the airport as the crowd kept pelting the bus with rocks.
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Fall '75

Good find
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This is an INTERESTING story. I was right in the middle of it...both at A&M, then flying in the Navy. This will be a log post. I'm doing this from memory, a long long time ago, so if something is incorrect, feel free to correct me.
In the fall of 1972, I was a fish in N-1 Neanderthals. We were the first class of of NROTC at A&M. Hard to believe, but yes, A&M didn't have NROTC until 1972. Certainly there were plenty of Aggies that served in the USN and USMC, but they got their Commissions via OCS or PLC.
I'm fairly certain the the first Iranians showed up my Zip year, fall of 75. Talk about so much change!!! in the fall of 74, Girls in the Corps. Now, Iranians??!! WTF!
They were good kids, scared to death, and I looked out for them as I could relate. I wasn't from Iran, but PA, as were alot of our N-1 fish, and I remember encountering some hostility..that we were gonna ruin the Corps somehow. So I looked out for those guys, kept the Corps crap at a minimum, taught them how to play the game. One guy asked me to explain American football to him, so I gathered a few of them in my room and explained football. I diagramed the field, explained offense and defense, the concept of down and distance. Why a team would punt. All the different penalties. They caught on quick, and it made going to Kyle a million times more enjoyable when they actually knew what was going on.
As far as I know, the NROTC outfits were the only ones with Iranians. Why the Navy? Simple. After a bitter sales fight between the Air Force and the Navy, the Shah bought F-14s instead of F-15s. And the US Navy would train those Iranian Pilots. So I assumed that these fish would eventually wind up in Pensacola where I was headed.
Here's where it gets interesting. These Cadets were gonna be future Officers for the Shah, so we can assume they were loyal to him. I don't remember discussing the Shah or Iranian politics with them. I didn't know anything except that it was assumed that the Shah was an American ally. Hey...the Oil! Well that changed one day when I was in the MSC. There were some Iranian Students, non-regs, who had a table set up, schooling everybody about what an SOB the Shah was. His secret Police, the SAVAK. And they weren't the only ones telling me this. I had a classmate, an American, non-reg, who's father was an Oil Exec in Tehran. He hated the Shah, and warned me that that place was a simmering cauldron and someday was gonna explode. Now I'm hearing this in 1976. By late 1978, when Khomeini took power, I was one of the least surprised. As we used to joke in the Navy....I crawled...I walked..Iran!!
When I got to Pensacola in Sept 1976, there were tons of Iranian Student Pilots being trained, first on the T-2 (1000 hours for yours truly) then the A-4, then on to Miramar in San Diego for F-14 training. Because there was so many of them, very few USN/USMC Jet guys got to stay in P-Cola. We all had to go to Meridian (puke) Kingsville, or lovely Beeville where I wound up. Them Iranian guys had MONEY...lots more than we did. First thing they did when they got to P-Cola was buy a C-Vet or a Van. They paid Sticker, and they paid cash. Nobody was sadder about the Shah leaving town than the car dealers in P-Cola.
I was deployed when alot that crazy was going on. After I got home, I asked my dad, who knew some people at the Trigon, "what happened to those Iranian Cadets"? He said it was sad. Their money of course stopped. They sure as hell were not gonna go back home. They scattered to all point of the Compass.
Who knows? Remember that in Sept 1980, Iran and Iraq started a horrific 8 year war. Iran needed Pilots, Engineers. (F-4 and F-14 parts were embargoed by us because of the Hostage Situation). I heard that some of them may have returned to serve against Iraq.
Again. This is one of the more interesting, but largely unknown stories in Corps of Cadets history. I was just a small part of it. If anybody out there has more info to add or point out something I may have gotten wrong, feel free to add or correct.
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Smeghead4761 said:

I don't know if he was in the Corps, but next to the cash register at Shiraz Shish Kebab is a picture of a man I'm pretty sure is the owner, in a flight suit, next to a USAF trainer jet. Not sure if he was Shah-era Iranian air force or USAF.

Is shiraz still open? Good food.

If I recall correctly he was an Iranian pilot. He defected at some point. Not sure where he flew his plane to, maybe turkey?
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I read this yesterday and did a little research to sort through the mists of time. August of '77, the San Antonio A&M Club and the San Antonio A&M Mothers Club got the arm put on them by the AFS to have a party for returning and new students at THE Aggie Park in SA. For some reason, the Clubs board of directors tabbed me as chairman for the event. I met a class of '79 surgebutt that night and we became lifelong friends. Per my conversation with him yesterday, it seems there we're ten or so Iranian student pilots in the Corps over his time at A&M. During that summer all the Iranian pilot trainees were housed at Lackland AFB for the summer. The AFS was very concerned that they would attend, and we had food and drink that would jive with their religious views. I seem to remember that they all fell in love with Sprite after trying it for the first time.
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bigtruckguy3500 said:

Smeghead4761 said:

I don't know if he was in the Corps, but next to the cash register at Shiraz Shish Kebab is a picture of a man I'm pretty sure is the owner, in a flight suit, next to a USAF trainer jet. Not sure if he was Shah-era Iranian air force or USAF.

Is shiraz still open? Good food.

If I recall correctly he was an Iranian pilot. He defected at some point. Not sure where he flew his plane to, maybe turkey?


He was. He went through UPT at Columbus AFB, I talked to him about it when I was in town right after graduating UPT at Columbus. I believe his time in service was up and left the country during the transition.

Really good food and such a nice guy.
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I don't specifically recall Iranians in the Corps 70-74, but we certainly had foreign students from a variety of countries as cadets so it wouldn't surprise me.

There were a bunch of Iranians in my USAF training course in mid '74, though.
CanyonAg77
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Lots of great replies, will respond later.

As far as international students, I own a 1926 "Longhorn". One of the students was from Baghdad, and his nickname was "Ali Baba"
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CanyonAg77 said:

Lots of great replies, will respond later.

As far as international students, I own a 1926 "Longhorn". One of the students was from Baghdad, and his nickname was "Ali Baba"

That's interesting. I think it would be cool to trace down some of these international students and see how A&M affected their lives, did their kids learn about Texas like some far off place their father/grandfather went to at one point, did any of them wonder about going to visit where their father/grandfather got his education, did any end up doing so....
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