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Philosophical question: Is pizza without sauce a pizza?

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Sethtevious
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8:08p, 10/15/23
On the Chef's Table: Pizza mini-series, Sarah Minnick says she doesn't use sauce on her pizzas because sauce makes it difficult to bake. So her pizzas are the dough, cheese, and the toppings. She's gained quite a following because of the eclectic choices in toppings she uses. Basically, she's become proficient at making sourdough bread, and topping it with cheese and something else. She made sourdough every day for 5 years straight to hone he craft, so I respect her dedication. I'm just not sure it is pizza.

Is a round flatbread with cheese on top a pizza if it contains no sauce? Even white pizzas have a sauce.
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8:55p, 10/15/23
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No
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10:06p, 10/15/23
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I'm gonna say no. At that point it's just bread with melted cheese and random accoutrements.

If she was a better chef maybe she wouldn't be going the no sauce route and calling it pizza.
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10:50p, 10/15/23
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A four cheese white pizza in Italy has no sauce.
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11:39a, 10/16/23
it can definitely be pizza without sauce
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 12:17p, 10/16/23
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Bruce Almighty said:
A four cheese white pizza in Italy has no sauce.
Do those use some soft spreadable cheese that basically act as a sauce though? Ricotta, etc.?
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2:03p, 10/16/23
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Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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In reply to Chipotlemonger • 2:10p, 10/16/23
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Chipotlemonger said:
Bruce Almighty said:
A four cheese white pizza in Italy has no sauce.
Do those use some soft spreadable cheese that basically act as a sauce though? Ricotta, etc.?
The cheese used is dependable on the region. I think mozzarella and gorgonzola are standard and the other two can be changed.
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 2:14p, 10/16/23
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DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 6:29p, 10/16/23
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
WTF?
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 8:02p, 10/16/23
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?


I see what you're saying but sauce isn't an integral part of a burger.

I say pizza = bread/sauce. It doesn't even have to have cheese to be pizza (tomato pie or facchia de vecchia) but bare minimum it's bread and sauce.
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8:07p, 10/16/23
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pizza
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noun
a dish of Italian origin consisting of a flat, round base of dough baked with a topping of tomato sauce and cheese, typically with added meat or vegetables.
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 10:10p, 10/16/23
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DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?


Do you not consider a taco without noodles a taco?
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In reply to Chipotlemonger • 12:44p, 10/17/23
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Chipotlemonger said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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Sauce is sauce. It doesn't add anything for me on pizza (except give me acid reflux). I'm much more concerned about the crust and other ingredients. Furthermore, I've never heard anyone talk about how good the sauce is at any pizza restaurant. I routinely hear about the crust and the toppings.
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 12:58p, 10/17/23
DatTallArchitect said:
Chipotlemonger said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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Sauce is sauce. It doesn't add anything for me on pizza (except give me acid reflux). I'm much more concerned about the crust and other ingredients. Furthermore, I've never heard anyone talk about how good the sauce is at any pizza restaurant. I routinely hear about the crust and the toppings.


It's certainly all preference but I'm a sauce guy. Bread and sauce are my focal points.
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In reply to DiskoTroop • 3:07p, 10/17/23
DiskoTroop said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?


I see what you're saying but sauce isn't an integral part of a burger.

I say pizza = bread/sauce. It doesn't even have to have cheese to be pizza (tomato pie or facchia de vecchia) but bare minimum it's bread and sauce.
I'd 100% disagree, unless olive oil is a sauce in your definition

when Dolce Vita was kicking it had a pizza rated as one of the best in the country and the ingredients were taleggio, arugula, pears & truffle oil

but I'm sure you bread and sauce guys know best
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3:16p, 10/17/23
I'd consider olive oil a sauce. That's essentially what focaccia is. Little salt, some herb, good dough and oil? Yeah. I'll call that pizza. Now, it had better be some good ass oil. Don't bring no Kroger brand stuff to that party. Better be good oil.
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In reply to DiskoTroop • 8:16p, 10/17/23
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if it HAS to be tomato sauce, then no, a sauce is not required for a pizza to be a pizza.
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In reply to MooreTrucker • 8:51p, 10/17/23
MooreTrucker said:
if it HAS to be tomato sauce, then no, a sauce is not required for a pizza to be a pizza.


No one said it had to be tomato sauce. I think garlic sauces and white pies are totally acceptable.
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In reply to DiskoTroop • 9:49p, 10/17/23
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DiskoTroop said:
MooreTrucker said:
if it HAS to be tomato sauce, then no, a sauce is not required for a pizza to be a pizza.


No one said it had to be tomato sauce. I think garlic sauces and white pies are totally acceptable.
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 10:28a, 10/18/23
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DatTallArchitect said:
DiskoTroop said:
MooreTrucker said:
if it HAS to be tomato sauce, then no, a sauce is not required for a pizza to be a pizza.


No one said it had to be tomato sauce. I think garlic sauces and white pies are totally acceptable.
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Webster's Dictionary said it. But I do agree.
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11:03a, 10/18/23
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From Webster's

a dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings and baked.

Usually meaning not always
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 12:42p, 10/18/23
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DatTallArchitect said:
Chipotlemonger said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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Sauce is sauce. It doesn't add anything for me on pizza (except give me acid reflux). I'm much more concerned about the crust and other ingredients. Furthermore, I've never heard anyone talk about how good the sauce is at any pizza restaurant. I routinely hear about the crust and the toppings.
You haven't? Almost every pizza review I've ever read says something about the sweetness, smokiness, boldness, tang, spiciness, etc. of the sauce.
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1:54p, 10/18/23
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Good sauce and how it's used is what truly sets a pizza apart, IMO. These high end places all have a good dough and all have good cheese/toppings.
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In reply to HtownAg92 • 1:58p, 10/18/23
HtownAg92 said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Chipotlemonger said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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Sauce is sauce. It doesn't add anything for me on pizza (except give me acid reflux). I'm much more concerned about the crust and other ingredients. Furthermore, I've never heard anyone talk about how good the sauce is at any pizza restaurant. I routinely hear about the crust and the toppings.
You haven't? Almost every pizza review I've ever read says something about the sweetness, smokiness, boldness, tang, spiciness, etc. of the sauce.
yep.

sauce can absolutely make or break a pizza. You can have the best crust and toppings in the world, but if your sauce is terrible, i'm not eating it.
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In reply to AggieOO • 4:17p, 10/18/23
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Well I'm a fattie and it's pizza so I'll still probably eat it but I'll tell you how much it sucks as I eat it.
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11:04p, 10/23/23
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Pizza without tomato sauce may be considered pizza, but it will never taste like pizza
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In reply to DatTallArchitect • 8:24p, 10/27/23
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DatTallArchitect said:
Chipotlemonger said:
DatTallArchitect said:
Tomatoes do not agree with my stomach, so marinara sauce is out for me. When I order or make pizza it has alfredo sauce, olive oil or no sauce at all (depending on the toppings). It's still pizza without sauce. Do you not consider a hamburger without sauce still a burger?
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Sauce is sauce. It doesn't add anything for me on pizza (except give me acid reflux). I'm much more concerned about the crust and other ingredients. Furthermore, I've never heard anyone talk about how good the sauce is at any pizza restaurant. I routinely hear about the crust and the toppings.

Seriously?
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