New Flag Post category - AI

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CanyonAg77
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May I suggest a new reason/category to flag posts:

The use of Grok or other AI to craft a response. It's lazy, intrusive, and usually results in a wall of text that is unreadable.

I don't read them, and I feel that posters who use AI detract from the discussion.
Omperlodge
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1. AI Is a Tool, Not a Replacement for Thought
AI doesn't have opinions, lived experience, or intent. The human using it does. When someone posts a response generated or assisted by AI, they are still choosing the topic, framing the question, selecting what to post, and deciding whether the content reflects their views. That's no different from using spellcheck, grammar tools, templates, or even copy-pasting from notes.
Banning AI responses confuses how something is written with who is responsible for it. Accountability should lie with the poster, not the tool.
2. Quality Should Matter More Than Process
Forums should judge posts on their content, not on how they were produced. If a response is accurate, relevant, thoughtful, and follows community rules, it should stand on its own merit.
Low-effort or misleading posts were a problem long before AI existed. The solution has always been moderation based on qualitynot banning pens because someone once wrote nonsense with one.
3. AI Improves Accessibility and Inclusion
Not everyone communicates equally well in writing. AI helps:
  • Non-native speakers express ideas clearly
  • Neurodivergent users organize thoughts
  • People with disabilities participate more easily
  • Busy professionals contribute without spending excessive time polishing text
Banning AI disproportionately excludes these groups and favors those who already have strong writing skills or abundant free time.
4. AI Levels the Playing Field, Not the Conversation
Forums already include users with advantages: lawyers, engineers, academics, people who write for a living. AI helps everyday users participate at a similar level of clarity and structure. That doesn't cheapen discussionit broadens it.
The value of a forum comes from ideas and perspectives, not from who can write the most elegant paragraph unaided.
5. Detection Is Inherently Unreliable
"AI detection" is inconsistent at best and wrong at worst. False positives punish legitimate users, discourage participation, and create paranoia. Communities end up policing vibes instead of substance.
Rules that cannot be enforced fairly should not exist.
6. Transparency Can Solve Most Concerns
If a community is worried about deception, the answer isn't prohibitionit's norms. Encourage users to disclose AI assistance if it materially affects the post. Encourage original thought, citations, and discussion. Enforce rules against spam, plagiarism, and misinformation regardless of whether AI is involved.
These are solvable problems without banning a useful tool.
7. AI Is Already Embedded in Modern Communication
Search engines summarize content. Email clients rewrite drafts. Phones autocomplete messages. Drawing an arbitrary line at "forum responses" is both impractical and inconsistent with how people already communicate online.
Trying to freeze forums in a pre-AI world doesn't preserve authenticityit just makes the platform feel outdated and hostile to new users.
8. The Real Threat Is Spam, Not AI
The actual problems communities facespam floods, low-effort engagement, bad-faith postingare moderation issues, not technology issues. AI can make spam worse, but it can also make good contributors better. Blanket bans punish the wrong people.
Moderate behavior. Moderate outcomes. Don't moderate tools.
9. Progress Comes From Adaptation, Not Fear
Every major communication shiftfrom word processors to search engines to smartphonessparked the same panic. And every time, communities that adapted thrived, while those that resisted faded.
AI isn't going away. Forums that learn how to integrate it thoughtfully will be stronger, more diverse, and more active than those that try to pretend it doesn't exist.
Conclusion
Allowing AI-assisted forum responses doesn't mean lowering standards. It means focusing on what actually matters: accuracy, relevance, respect, and meaningful discussion. AI is just another toolpowerful, yes, but neutral.
Judge posts by their value, not by the keyboard that typed them.
CanyonAg77
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Okay, replying to an anti-AI post with a 10,000 word AI post is peak TexAgs
txags92
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I disagree with the blanket removal of AI generated content. If somebody wants to use AI to create a post and try to pass it off as their own thoughts or ideas, that should obviously be removed. But in the case you just had removed from the Savannah Guthrie thread, that was not the case at all. There was a user asking for a summary of what had been discussed in a 15 page thread. I posted a response that was clearly identified as AI and which engine it came from, and gave the prompt I used to generate the content, so that it was clear I was not asking AI to impart any opinion or extraneous analysis beyond simply summarizing the thread.

I think there needs to be a distinction between the use of AI in place of original thought or discussion versus the use of AI to distill down many pages of thread postings into some bullets of what has been discussed. AI is a tool and using it as a tool to summarize a 15 page thread is a reasonable use of that tool that should not be automatically banned or deleted IMO just because you don't feel like reading it.

Maybe the compromise solution is for there to be a way to tag AI posts and users can select in their settings not to see posts with that tag applied if they so desire.
CanyonAg77
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I respect your tracking me down on this post to discuss it, rather than cluttering that thread.

First, I just wish I had the power to remove posts. There are many I would remove long before I got to yours. I certainly have little influence or power on TexAgs. I can only guess that there is either a mod who also dislikes AI, or that other folks followed my lead.

I flag AI posts as trolling, the closest category to how I feel about them.

As to that particular post, I would rather the guy who wanted a summary would simply use Chat GTP himself, and not put the results up.

Several things about AI posts bother me.

The main objection is that I want discussions with people, not bots or paid agitators. AI feels like I'm reading what a robot thinks, not what a poster thinks. Almost seems lazy, too. As if the poster didn't want to bother to learn or have an opinion, but simply wanted to throw up a post. It would be the same thing if someone cut and pasted a Wikipedia article.

Another problem is the WALL OF TEXT. Seems like folks who post AI usually post thousands of words. Ain't nobody got time for that

I'd be on board with a way to exclude AI responses. Not sure how that could be done.
txags92
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CanyonAg77 said:


I respect your tracking me down on this post to discuss it, rather than cluttering that thread.

First, I just wish I had the power to remove posts. There are many I would remove long before I got to yours. I certainly have little influence or power on TexAgs. I can only guess that there is either a mod who also dislikes AI, or that other folks followed my lead.

I flag AI posts as trolling, the closest category to how I feel about them.

As to that particular post, I would rather the guy who wanted a summary would simply use Chat GTP himself, and not put the results up.

Several things about AI posts bother me.

The main objection is that I want discussions with people, not bots or paid agitators. AI feels like I'm reading what a robot thinks, not what a poster thinks. Almost seems lazy, too. As if the poster didn't want to bother to learn or have an opinion, but simply wanted to throw up a post. It would be the same thing if someone cut and pasted a Wikipedia article.

Another problem is the WALL OF TEXT. Seems like folks who post AI usually post thousands of words. Ain't nobody got time for that

I'd be on board with a way to exclude AI responses. Not sure how that could be done.

I share your feeling about people who use AI to replace their own critical thinking and appeal to it as some sort of authority, or even worse pass it off as their own without acknowledging the source. But I think there is a place for using AI to distill information from within the thread concisely to try to catch up on threads with hundreds of posts. I had a discussion about the limitations and risks of AI use with somebody the other day and we both agreed that one of the most important things in selecting an AI prompt was limiting what sources of data it could use to respond. In the Guthrie thread, I didn't ask AI to give a current status of the investigation that could have allowed it to go out to cesspools like Reddit for information and result in a wall of gibberish with questionable sourcing. Instead I asked it to summarize the posts within the thread and separate what was confirmed, deemed false, or speculation.

We can agree to disagree about to what degree posts with it should allowed, but think there should be an allowance for clearly IDed and carefully source controlled AI summaries for very large and fast moving threads. Yes, people can go out and do it themselves, but the same could be said for all of the X posts and news site links that get posted. People can go get that themselves, but having it linked or summarized in the thread can advance the discussion easier. I will leave it to the tech geniuses how to find a middle ground that allows people to not see it if they want to go that route.

ETA: FWIW, I didn't really search you out here. I was actually coming here to start a discussion about it after staff deleted the discussion from the other thread while I was in the middle of responding. I saw your thread already here instead.
CanyonAg77
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No problem, I didn't intend to accuse you of stalking.

I have seen people post something and lead with "AI says..." I appreciate that, because I immediately skip the rest of the post.

Maybe I need to use AI to determine if a post is AI?

Or we could simply limit character count. I think it's the WALL OF TEXT that sets me off the quickest.

Along those lines, I hate when people quote a long reply and make a three word response. Do people not know you can reply without quoting?
txags92
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CanyonAg77 said:

No problem, I didn't intend to accuse you of stalking.

I have seen people post something and lead with "AI says..." I appreciate that, because I immediately skip the rest of the post.

Maybe I need to use AI to determine if a post is AI?

Or we could simply limit character count. I think it's the WALL OF TEXT that sets me off the quickest.

Along those lines, I hate when people quote a long reply and make a three word response. Do people not know you can reply without quoting?

My thought is it would be really easy for Texags to add a button that has to be clicked when you go to make a post that says "does your post contain AI generated content?". If you click yes, it gets an AI tag and anybody who has their settings set to not see AI tagged posts just doesn't see it. If you click no, and it is determined that you lied, then you get a ban, length to be determined.
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