From the Auburn side

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buckyball34
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Here's what people are saying...

Confused on why there was only 0.6 seconds left on the clock for the last play. Not conceding that the ball hit the rim. Some say it was as close as the buzzer beater. This is at best a misunderstanding of the rules and at worst a disingenuous interpretation of the replay.

Saying there was not indisputable evidence that the ball was still in the hand. Call on the floor was a made basket and therefore should have counted. I think this is the most fair argument but dependent on next point.

SEC has given no explanation or not shown the frames used to overturn the call. This is hard to believe for me. I think it is more likely the explanation has not been accepted.

Lots of sour grapes over there. For some reason they take issue with Bucky's statement about the refs knowing the situation and calling the shot off if it was close. I think that's the reality and maybe he should have kept that to himself for A&M's sake but in know way is that disparaging to Auburn.

This post isn't meant to be a prompt to prove these views wrong, but just a bit of schadenfreude.
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Without an explanation, the exact call of when it was in his hand may or may not be meaningless. The rulebook allows them to use the video review to "correct timing mistakes" not just determine the singular timing sequence between his fingers and the red light. They have the ability to start an integrated stopwatch as soon as the player touches the inbound and see how much time elapses until the shot is away and rule that he didnt get it off in time also (ie correcting when the clock started). They likely also don't feel that they need to go into that considering that the raw video supports them well enough.
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The sense of entitlement from Auburn fans is crazy. They were gifted by egregious ref error that gave an opportunity at a last shot in the first place... the whole point of A&M purposefully missing the free throw is so Auburn doesn't get a chance to inbound the ball with the clock stopped. Via ref gift, they got just that and with A&M only up 2 points rather than rightfully 3 (if A&M had tried to make the free throw).

Then the replay review shows the ball appearing to still be in his hands as the buzzer goes off. Also, common sense dictates that player can't catch, bring the ball down and pivot on one foot and then bring the other foot forward past the other..... and do all this only slightly slower than the fastest a player can get a shot off..

But here we are.
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Thanks for the perspective. I suspect we would be seeing this differently if the teams were reversed. Fans will be fans.
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This is what I think happened as well. I think the league office was timing it and it was determined that he didn't even have enough time to get the shot off, so the finger tip image doesn't really matter.
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Common sense says you can't catch, turn, & shoot in .6 seconds.
AggieEyes
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Did they tell the SEC Refs about 31-6 second-half Aggie run ?

halfastros81
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Just curious, do they have any comments wrt to the "shooting" foul and subsequent 3 free throws they got at the end of H1.
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AggieEyes
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Or maybe Pearl got out coached ?
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Someone explain to me, just watched the game again, how this sequence happens?

Pop gets fouled in the corner. Whistle blows and there is 1.7 seconds on the clock. Time out called.

Before Pop's 1st free throw, the clock goes from 1.7 to 2.0.

Why?

After the 1st free throw, before the 2nd free throw, the clock goes from 2.0 to 2.4. The announcer says, "The clock now reads 2.4 seconds, I'm not sure why." Or something like that.

.7 second added to the clock after a foul called in the corner.

That is ridiculous and the clock operator should be called out on it.

It's not a timing call like the last shot. A whistle blows and the clock reads 1.7.

AND YOU GAIN .7 seconds. I call bs on this. Bucky called bs on this.

How is .7 seconds added to the clock? Can anybody explain that?
Method Man
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We definitely got screwed several times to get it to that point where he could possibly get a shot off. That said, I kind of miss the days where we didn't review everything.
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The ole "Get on the bus".... Melvin Watkins move...

I dig it.
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With no timeouts for AU, did it really matter if he made or missed the final FT. The answer is yes - PROVIDED THAT the miss is executed correctly. I would still be ok with taking chances making the FT and with 0 timeouts, about the only thing that gives them a chance is a stupid foul or miracle la Laettner v Kentucky. Even then Laettner had like 2 full seconds.

Even in the scenario where Pop is trying to make it…he may miss it anyway, so either way only some miracle could happen. A make there is not 100%. AU was gifted a mulligan and it worked until it didn't so you feel for them being gutted, but they never should have even gotten the shot off.

PS - my son is a FR at AU and they are having a rough go athletically this fall, so I'm frustrated for him, but glad we got the W.
halfastros81
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It was a very weird sequence .
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buckyball34 said:

Here's what people are saying...

Confused on why there was only 0.6 seconds left on the clock for the last play. Not conceding that the ball hit the rim. Some say it was as close as the buzzer beater. This is at best a misunderstanding of the rules and at worst a disingenuous interpretation of the replay.

Saying there was not indisputable evidence that the ball was still in the hand. Call on the floor was a made basket and therefore should have counted. I think this is the most fair argument but dependent on next point.

SEC has given no explanation or not shown the frames used to overturn the call. This is hard to believe for me. I think it is more likely the explanation has not been accepted.

Lots of sour grapes over there. For some reason they take issue with Bucky's statement about the refs knowing the situation and calling the shot off if it was close. I think that's the reality and maybe he should have kept that to himself for A&M's sake but in know way is that disparaging to Auburn.

This post isn't meant to be a prompt to prove these views wrong, but just a bit of schadenfreude.


Bottom line is refs gave yall the ball for no reason after the missed free throw that hit the rim. That was the biggest issue where they messed up the game was over then and it should've never come to the last shot that wasn't good.
phatty26
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There were several bad calls the bull**** at the end of the first half was the worst call I've ever seen. How do you tip a ball then get called for a foul on a 3 pointer. That was some bs there.
buckyball34
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halfastros81 said:

Just curious, do they have any comments wrt to the "shooting" foul and subsequent 3 free throws they got at the end of H1.
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Been silent on that.
buckyball34
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AggieEyes said:

Or maybe Pearl got out coached ?


There are plenty acknowledging this part.
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Well the Ags can tell you from the past screwups by the refs. You'll get no official explanation if anything outta the home office
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buckyball34 said:



Saying there was not indisputable evidence that the ball was still in the hand. Call on the floor was a made basket and therefore should have counted.


This is what I have seen said the most about it
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The whole final 10 seconds was a disaster, but ultimately the right team won and I guess that's all that matters
Wooahhhh
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Nice post.
bobinator
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For those that haven't read the other BuckyBall34 thread go check it out because he's been pretty balanced on this.

I think the main problem for Auburn fans is that immediately after the game the replay they showed in the arena had the wrong clock on it. With a wrong clock superimposed on the video, it looks EXTREMELY clear that he got the shot off. So right there, in the moment, they think this is an extremely obvious call and the shot should count and then the refs come out of their little huddle and wave it off.

So coming from that, to then seeing blurry pictures on the internet that maybe it was out, maybe it wasn't, is no doubt hard for a lot of their fans to take, regardless of what series of officiating blunders led to that moment in the first place.
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MarcAg said:



The whole final 10 seconds was a disaster, but ultimately the right team won and I guess that's all that matters

The right team won for sure, if someone can't see that they are either Auburn fans or very anti A&M.
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Also, the refs always get on the mic after a review and announce the result of the review. I can't say with a certainty whether they always give an explanation, but they did not handle things the right way.

They wanted to make the (right) call, but not announce it, and get out of dodge as quickly as possible.
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I honestly think the refs knew they screwed up from the previous sequence. They recognized from the replay that it was ridiculously close and decided to do the right thing. They didn't have the technical ability to check when the clock started so they had to make a common sense decision that ultimately was the right one.


bobinator
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They do have the technical ability to check that. That's part of what I think happened.
levimod
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The Collective said:

Common sense says you can't catch, turn, & shoot in .6 seconds.


Derek Fisher coulda shot twice in that time. Similar type of horse*****
JJxvi
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bobinator said:

They do have the technical ability to check that. That's part of what I think happened.


yeah I believe that the replay machines have the ability to start a clock at any point the refs want to time and then roll the video forward in sync to another frame and see exactly how much time elapsed on the "stopwatch"
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JJxvi
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Its basically why they change the ****ing time so much after every replay review at the end of games
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bobinator
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I brought this up on another thread but a somewhat similar timing issue happened in another very stupid ending between us and Georgia at Reed a while back where they did time out something that happened during a play so I know that's at least technically possible.

Big difference is the entire sequence played out before they reviewed it.

Georgia had the ball and went down the court in the closing seconds and scored, but the clock stopped for some reason in the middle of the possession. The refs went back and timed how long the clock stopped and determined that the clock should have run out before they scored and so they called the game right there.

The entire play sequence is going to be based on players looking up at the clock to see how much time is left so I was actually kind of on the Georgia side of that one where I think they should have reset the ball and the clock and done the whole thing over again but that wasn't an option for the officials at the time.
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I also recall the phantom And-1 that was called on the putback, then the shove in the back before another offensive rebound that was awarded 2 shots for Auburn.

Then all of the self-inflicted wounds...
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Mikeyshooter
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bobinator said:

They do have the technical ability to check that. That's part of what I think happened.

If they indeed have the ability to move frame by frame at 60 frames per second or whatever, then it only makes sense to provide this info in real time for the TV audience and those in the arena.


bobinator
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"only makes sense" is a pretty high bar for SEC basketball officiating.
Wooahhhh
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exactly, you're asking too much of SEC officiating. They have issues in both football & basketball. Greg Sankey, for the last 2 years, doesn't appear to think it's a problem for the league, imo.
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