Who is responsible for Bucky?

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Is this a pure Trev Alberts hire, or is there someone else that I should be sending a belated Christmas gift to?

This hire couldn't have worked out better given the circumstances and the playing style is so welcome after so many years of "just grind it out with defense". I know I may be getting ahead of myself but I just love this team's identity.
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Chris Beard, in a way
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With timing of buzz deciding to leave and the portal dates, there wasn't much time to find a coach especially a experienced well regarded coach.
Bucky probably wouldn't have been hired otherwise.
So maybe A*M just lucky on how this all worked out.
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Everything we have been told suggests Trev is a competitor on the field like he was as a Nebraska football player. And he was in a program under Osborn that was the real thing.

He left his alma mater due to concerns about lack of leadership and he has addressed our continual leadership thrash by managing access to coaches.

I think he has a good handle on being not just an AD but an A&M-focused specialist.

We will know more if he can help Elko sort the football challenges. And if we can get women's basketball sorted as well,

No leader can solve all of the problems but Trev also has been doing yeoman's work on the House agreement implementation and his input has been huge. Will it work? I think it will, but we have often found ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…
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After this year, I now realize I much prefer mbb over wbb even when the women were good.
I also realize that volleyball is more entertaining than wbb.
Albert could forget about wbb and concentrate on football and volleyball to spend money.
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aTmben said:

Is this a pure Trev Alberts hire, or is there someone else that I should be sending a belated Christmas gift to?

This hire couldn't have worked out better given the circumstances and the playing style is so welcome after so many years of "just grind it out with defense". I know I may be getting ahead of myself but I just love this team's identity.


It was a high risk high reward hire. Trev deserves a lot of credit for being brave enough to take the shot.

The situation helped a lot as we likely would have had to overpay big time just to get someone with any sort of track record and that likely came with a considerably lower upside. I was excited at the time and am thrilled with the early returns also recognizing this season could still absolutely fall apart. Any success we get this season is absolutely a bonus and ahead of schedule.

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As far as we know this was all Trev and whoever Trev happens to trust in the college basketball coaching ranks outside of a big push by some influential people for Chris Beard which I think Trev was willing to do, but if that one specific one didn't work out we were going to go in a completely different direction.

I think trying to piece together the order of operations we went through is an interesting question and how it might have gone differently if we had our opening earlier in the process.

Of high major jobs, I'm not sure we beat out any of the schools that hired the hot up and comers. Iowa (McCollum from Drake), Minnesota (Medved from Colorado State, this one is kind of a special case because he's an alum, not sure Minnesota gets him without that), Virginia (Odom from VCU), West Virginia (Ross Hodge from North Texas). Some other potential candidates that were off the board like Richard Pitino (New Mexico -> Xavier). Do we like any of those guys enough to outbid (by enough that we'd have to outbid them) the schools that got them? Maybe Hodge?

There was a couple of guys that were intriguing prospects kind of like Bucky that were already off the board also, but probably could have still been gotten if we were really convinced they were the guy, Bryan Hodgson (Arkansas State -> South Florida), Eric Olen (UC San Diego -> New Mexico),

A big wild card question is would we have been interested in Will Wade, and if so, could we have hired him instead of NC State? My gut feeling is maybe and no, but who knows.

Some things we're pretty sure did happen:

- We offered the job to, and thought we had, Chris Beard from Ole Miss - what an alternate reality this is to live in for a bit, at this point I'm glad it didn't happen, I was kind of iffy on it anyway
- We talked to Steve Lutz of Oklahoma State, and I think offered him the job - This was a favorite of mine during the process. I think he's got Oklahoma State trending back in a good direction. Whether Oklahoma State upped their NIL package or what I dunno, but didn't work out.
- We talked to Chris Mack of the College of Charleston - Not sure if we didn't officially offer or if he decided to stay where he is rather than taking on this challenge

Those three have some things in common that you really like in a search like this, they've previously worked at high major schools as head coaches. But then, really kind of overnight, it seems like we decided rather than go that route, or go the easy route and hire a mostly mediocre coach with ties to the school (Moser - OU; Forbes - Wake Forest), let's take a risk and see what happens.

Somebody soon was going to hire Bucky, I had him on my 2025 coaching carousel thread as a "Ready to jump" candidate. I think a lot of schools were hoping he'd jump somewhere like the MVC or American and run a program there for a few years to see how he does, because Samford to a power conference is a big jump, especially considering he's never even been an assistant at a high major job unlike some of these other guys. Have to remember that he was coaching high school basketball in 2019. Even Nate Oats was an assistant at Buffalo for a couple of years before he got the head job. But he's a coach that a lot of people have been keeping an eye on.

When it first started coming out that we were actually talking to him my reaction was "no way...." it's a VERY un-A&M move historically. Not only is Samford to A&M a HUGE jump, but he very famously plays a different style of basketball. This is a little akin to Texas Tech hiring Mike Leach but if instead of him being OC at Oklahoma and Kentucky he was the head coach at like Sam Houston.
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great info thanks!
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Very interesting.

I thought Bucky was another tournament appearance away from getting the call up to a power conference. Because of that, I didn't really think the talks with A&M were too serious.

Whether he was the first candidate or the 20th candidate, I knew A&M made a good decision.

I think Bucky made a great decision, too. He's not a climberhe had options for NCAA head coaching jobs before he left for Samford. If he decided to leave, he knew it was a good situation and he had a chance to be successful.
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Ag-ME said:

After this year, I now realize I much prefer mbb over wbb even when the women were good.
I also realize that volleyball is more entertaining than wbb.
Albert could forget about wbb and concentrate on football and volleyball to spend money.
I think it's going to be embarrassing to have Gary Blair's name on the court if we don't have a wbb program…
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Yeah I think another SoCon title and tournament appearance and a lot of schools would have been ready to pull the trigger.
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I recall reading that Trev did not want Beard at all but that was directed by BMAs and he didn't have a choice. Of the final 2 or 3, once Beard fell through and Trev had the reins, Bucky's stock kept elevating throughout the vetting process. I recall Trev spending a lot of time going back and forth between the candidates. At the time I felt like Trev nailed it, a young coach that embraced, not just building a good team but, a program that would build fan interest. The wide open style and personality was right on point.

I don't know where it goes from here but Bucky is way ahead of any schedule I could have imagined…building a complete roster under fire drill conditions to where we are today. It's exciting to think where we could be headed.

In short, I think Trev gets all the credit for this one.
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i guess i don't remember reading that Trev didn't want Beard. I remember it as Beard put out feelers he would be interested in the job.

I think now that was just to get Ole Miss to give him a raise.

And yes no matter what, Trev gets credit. Any hires he makes he'll get the blame or credit, that's how this all works
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Maryland is responsible, and we should send their AD a thank you note!

He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep
to gain what he cannot lose!



Soli Deo Gloria
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Padre_Island_Ag said:

Maryland is responsible, and we should send their AD a thank you note!



they didn't have an AD when Buzz was hired.
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Very interesting post. At some point I'd love some insight on how Bucky's interview went with Trev and how he convinced Trev he was the right person for the job. I've seen nothing yet to suggest this wasn't a home run hire.
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I think you have to give Alberts credit in any case . This imo is going to be a home run .
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Trev gets credit too for not extending Buzz when Buzz pushed for it. Which has been major issue with coaches in the past giving out unnecessary extensions. He could have gave it and most of our fans would have cheered it
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bobinator said:

This is a little akin to Texas Tech hiring Mike Leach but if instead of him being OC at Oklahoma and Kentucky he was the head coach at like Sam Houston.


Damn that's a really freakin good comparison. Hopefully we don't recruit a prominent broadcaster's son
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BQ_90 said:

Trev gets credit too for not extending Buzz when Buzz pushed for it. Which has been major issue with coaches in the past giving out unnecessary extensions. He could have gave it and most of our fans should have cheered it


Buzz pushed for an extension?


Buzz pushed to stay at A&M longer than he has stayed anywhere?



Buzz was going to change his documented approach to leave before they get tired of you?
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He wanted it beginning of last season. Or it came out about same time as the first rumors to Indiana came out
bobinator
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I remember all that. I don't know how much of that was truly wanting one or just wanting it in place in case he couldn't find another gig but either way good on Trev not to give it to him.

People have to remember if he didn't land Maryland we were probably going to be stuck together and it sounded like Buzz was about out of friends in the athletic department.
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I'm not sure he ever had any friends in the AD.

I actually thought he was coming back. I think if Maryland had an AD he would,have
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