Anyone have the numbers on that?

I'm sure we are. Outside of vandy and Florida, the other schools are glorified junior colleges.

You are 3rd, behind Vandy and Florida, if you believe this report (I apologize in advance if the link doesn't work, but you can type the address in your browser).

http://mup.asu.edu/research2010.pdf

Scroll down to page 16 to see numbers. They also do separate lists of private vs. public. Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee are all top-50 in the combined private/public list. LSU makes the top 50 in the public-only list.

The other schools have plenty to brag about as well. Ole Miss has good medical, pharmacy, and law schools. Mississippi State has very good vet and engineering schools. Alabama also has a law school, and Auburn has good engineering and vet schools. The MS schools typically lag behind in rankings because they are so much smaller. Ole Miss and Mississippi State have enrollments just barely over 20k. Even Auburn only has 25k students. Alabama-Tuscaloosa has over 30k...not sure what their excuse is. I used to work in the UA system...compared to UAB (which granted, does have the medical school), the other UA system schools are underwhelming.

After the new grant from the government for vaccine development and the purchase of the law school, I suspect we will climb. This new grant could be huge for us.

I hope that we start more collaboration work with the other SEC schools. My understanding is the SEC has something similar to the CIC that the Big X has. I am sure that this will promote more research between schools.

Kickin ass and takin names...

ChemEng94,

The SECAC is still in its infancy but is out there to become the CIC for the SEC. It may take a decade to a generation to really pick up speed but both A&M and Missouri are on the ground floor as equal partners to what direction it takes, and what it grows into.

We're #1 in the latest ranking:

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1     Johns Hopkins U., Thea 2,004,482
2     U. MI-Ann Arbor 1,184,445
3     U. WI-Madison 1,029,295
4     U. WA Seattle 1,022,740
5     Duke U. 983,289     
6     U. CA, San Diego 943,219
7     U. CA, Los Angeles 936,995
8     U. CA, San Francisco 935,509
9     Stanford U. 839,839
10     U. PA 836,322     
11     U. Pittsburgh main campus 822,491
12     Columbia U. in the City of New
      York 807,235
13     U. MN Twin Cities 786,074
14     PA State U. University Park and
      Hershey Medical Ctr. 770,449
15     U. NC Chapel Hill 755,284     
16     OH State U. 755,194
17     Cornell U. 749,721
18     Washington U. St. Louis 695,974
19     U. CA, Berkeley 694,049
20     TX A&M U. 689,624
21     U. FL 681,548
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35     Vanderbilt U. 504,959

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And that doesn't count the Texas A&M med school that will go back to being under the flagship campus instead of the system in August. That will mean more research dollars counted towards the College Station campus. The new bio security contract will be another huge influx of research dollars.

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Looking at that list, medical research is where the dollars are!

That list tells me that the Cal System kicks ass! Impressive

The link I posted is a ranking of research universities. In addition, it takes into account endowments, giving, faculty awards, SAT scores, doctoral degrees granted, etc. To even be considered in this ranking, the school had to have > $40 million in research expenditures. It looks like the other link posted is based on just research expenditures alone. This is why rankings can be a little tricky; different groups use different criteria. Even total research expenditures can be misleading because some schools have a lot of "pass through" money; essentially funds that go through the university but ultimately are sent to and benefit other entities outside of the university. Bottom line, though, is TAMU looks to be right at the top of the SEC. That is good for the conference and something TAMU should be proud of. Y'all are certainly way ahead in the rankings compared to other schools in the SEC west.

I should have been more specific, Transplant. I was talking about total expenditures. Texas A&M is the leader in research dollars in Texas, and I was curious to see how they stacked up in the SEC. Good to see we're #1 there too.

I think we're #1 nationally when medical research is excluded... not positive though.

Blue Bell, just out of curiosity...are A&M's numbers for the whole system? I think it is interesting how different systems can be. For example, the Alabama system technically includes UA(T), UAB, and UAH. But the three schools are treated as totally separate entities. UA(T) would actually look a lot better if they were able to include numbers from UAB and UAH!

Do any of the other TAMU campuses have sports teams?

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Not D-1

Flagship. So dull

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Blue Bell, just out of curiosity...are A&M's numbers for the whole system? I think it is interesting how different systems can be. For example, the Alabama system technically includes UA(T), UAB, and UAH. But the three schools are treated as totally separate entities. UA(T) would actually look a lot better if they were able to include numbers from UAB and UAH!

Do any of the other TAMU campuses have sports teams?

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They are for A&M alone. A&M does more research than Texas, that should tell you have much emphasis we put on it.

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Not at the FBS level. TAMU Kingsville is the most established sports program among the remaining system schools and they are FCS. My FIL was an academic all-American back there in the day when they were Texas A&I.

Didn't A&M-Corpus Christi make the NCAA tourney a few years back?

A&M corpus has basketball and baseball. i think this year is the first year they will football

Kingsville is DII.

I wish they'd make the jump to FCS.

Yeah, but all your players still drink GATORaid. Sorry just thought I'd join in the off-season hysteria.

Yep I know it is misspelled.

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Schools so good the state can't afford them.

We're number one! We're number one!

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Yeah, but all your players still drink GATORaid.

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Actually I believe our Athletics use Powerade...

We need to make an AggieAid or RevelAid. Couldn't they divert a few million of that huge budget towards something more fun. Who cares about genetic research or cures for cancer???

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That is the biggest problem for Bama when it comes to research numbers. The biggest part of the medical school for the UA system is at UAB,the biggest part of the aerospace/engineering school is at UAH, and the major part of the business and law school for the UA system is in Tuscaloosa. Having the medical school at UAB has probably hurt worse than the aerospace/engineering school at UAH. There are a lot of UA(T) alumns that would love for the UA BOTs to move the medical school back under UA(T)'s reign.

It wouldn't matter - A&M would still own you.

Then, there's the whole Alabama/Texas comparison.

You're just a football school in an inbred state.

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That is the biggest problem for Bama when it comes to research numbers. The biggest part of the medical school for the UA system is at UAB,the biggest part of the aerospace/engineering school is at UAH, and the major part of the business and law school for the UA system is in Tuscaloosa. Having the medical school at UAB has probably hurt worse than the aerospace/engineering school at UAH. There are a lot of UA(T) alumns that would love for the UA BOTs to move the medical school back under UA(T)'s reign.

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You could include every university in Alabama and it still wouldn't matchup to A&M. Most of the SEC schools are woefully lacking in this area.

What's interesting about those numbers is the distribution. UAB alone is #36...not that far behind TAMU in the rankings. Also, in FY2010, UAB had significantly more federal research funding compared to TAMU ($325 million vs $288 million). UT Austin reported $350 million in expenditures from federal sources.

What really sets TAMU apart is the money from state and local sources...over $139 million in FY2010; that is 20% of the total research expenditures. No other state in the top 25 comes even close to that. Ohio State and Florida show about 14% of their expenditures as state and local funds, but no other schools come even close to 20%. Until you get to #27, MD Anderson, and they are at 30%.

What this tells me is that the state and local government are putting A LOT of money into TAMU (not so much UT Austin, though; they only reported $24 million in state and local funds). That's great, but another reason why these rankings are highly subjective. Typically, state and local funds are restricted for ONLY PIs in the state, This means the competition is much less for these funds than for federal funds. Also, state and local funds include earmark money (aka Pork) that basically are non-competitive.

From an academic perspective (and you can argue all day long if that has any value), what really demonstrates research dominance is peer-reviewed research funding from NIH, NSF, DOE, etc. My former university (Mississippi State) gets 31% of its research expenditures from state and local funds. To me, that isn't something to brag too much about, because it is too easy to become dependent on these funds. It can sometimes even discourage professors and researchers from going after more prestigious sources of funding (because the in-state money is so much easier to get).

I will say, though, it is good to see the state of TX investing in research via higher education. The other extreme is Alabama...UAB only reported a paltry $760,000 in expenditures from state and local government (a pathetic 0.15% of their total). After having lived in AL for 6 years, though, that doesn't surprise me. The government there made it clear time and time again that education (higher ed or K-12) wasn't a priority

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Actually I believe our Athletics use Powerade...

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We have Gatorade. It's owned by Pepsi. Powerade is a Coke product

Even when we were coke, we used Gatorade. No self-respecting athletics department would supply Powerade to their athletes.

what andrew is trying to say is that we phaucking crush the competition? he just likes to be nice about it.

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Even when we were coke, we used Gatorade. No self-respecting athletics department would supply Powerade to their athletes.

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Interesting. On campus last week, TAMU supplied the FCA sports camp with Powerade branded water containers. And during my time in the Band (02-06) after half-time the Athletics Dept or powers that be always supplied us with a pallet of Red Powerade to be passed out, not Gatorade.

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