Sch*****'s security blanket

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10:27a, 7/4/24
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No, not CDC. I'm talking about Aschenbeck. I'll always feel that Sch***** blew the CWS for us.

Chesnutt said he doesn't control his emotions very well and that cost us big time. In game one vs UT we had a 9-2 lead, then Stewart gave up a two run homer to make it 9-4. Rudis came in and gave up a homer to the first batter. I don't know if this showed on TV but being at the stadium you could see that Sch**** was steamed when he came to the mound and snatched the ball from Brad. Rudis was solid nearly all year. He finished the season with a 2.55 era and has a career record of 13-0 if I'm correct.

Rudis needed 8 more outs and there's a very good chance he would have got them. He at least should have been given one more batter to see what would happen. If he put the next guy on base, that would still be a situation well within Aschenbeck's comfort range. It turned out that a one run lead would have been enough for him, as he was about as dominant as he's been all year.

Using Aschenbeck for 2 2/3 innings set up the situation the next day when we had a 1-0 lead with only 2 1/3 innings to go where Sch***** had to turn to a guy who had pitched 8 1/3 innings all year. If Aschenbeck had been available good chance the Aggies would have won that game 1-0 and Sch***** could have left for Austin a day earlier.

Yes, I know Sch**** is a great coach and did a good job at A&M, but his malpractice probably cost us the championship. And I think it's fair to ask if it wasn't a result of him being distracted by his personal situation.
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10:48a, 7/4/24
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Agreed. He had multiple options on the Saturday night game if he was done with Rudis.

Burning Evan there was dumb.
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10:53a, 7/4/24
I thought the exact same thing. We were 7 outs from a freakin championship. Having a rested Asch in game 2 would have made the difference, IMO.
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In reply to McInnis • 10:58a, 7/4/24
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McInnis said:
Rudis came in and gave up a homer to the first batter. I don't know if this showed on TV but being at the stadium you could see that Sch**** was steamed when he came to the mound and snatched the ball from Brad. Rudis was solid nearly all year. He finished the season with a 2.55 era and has a career record of 13-0 if I'm correct.

Rudis needed 8 more outs and there's a very good chance he would have got them.

Rudis quite literally finished the season HR, HR, HR to his last 3 batters. I didn't trust him either.

Edit: not disagreeing with you in theory. Where he really f'd us was in failing to develop even ONE more bullpen arm he could trust. You need to ride some guys on Tuesdays even if you lose a couple of meaningless games.
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In reply to Onionman • 11:00a, 7/4/24
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I thought the exact same thing. We were 7 outs from a freakin championship. Having a rested Asch in game 2 would have made the difference, IMO.


Can't really fault that call in that moment.
Securing the Game 1 win was paramount.
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11:13a, 7/4/24
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Kinda wild, huh? Jack ass has yet to win a CWS title
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11:17a, 7/4/24
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So…he got mad and left…
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In reply to McInnis • 11:24a, 7/4/24
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The coach forever known now on this site as POS is known for treating his pitchers like ***** Not only does he not control his emotions, he is quick to overreact and to say things to them to undermine the mental aspect of the game.

Many will say he simply didn't pay attention to the pitchers; I would argue that he was rough on them and the fact that they were in a position to succeed this year was amazing.

The fact that not one pitcher followed him says it all. You would think that if Max was the pitcher-whisperer that some of these guys would have gone over to Austin. However, to go with Max would mean more BS from that POS.

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11:42a, 7/4/24
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In his 3 seasons I believe that he had a strong tendency to pull pitchers early. Especially starting pitchers.
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In reply to TxAg76 • 11:45a, 7/4/24
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TxAg76 said:
Onionman said:
I thought the exact same thing. We were 7 outs from a freakin championship. Having a rested Asch in game 2 would have made the difference, IMO.


Can't really fault that call in that moment.
Securing the Game 1 win was paramount.


Maybe in a normal situation but the Aggies were down two starting pitchers - Sdao with injury and Jones with meltdown. It was certain that the Aggies wouldn't be able to win another game without heavy reliance on their bullpen.
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1:57p, 7/4/24
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I agree with the OP. Also, why pull Badmaev in game 2 when he was throwing really well? Iirc, he only let one batter get on base. If Badmaev goes deeper, and Rudis goes deeper in game 1, you have Evan closing out game 2 instead of K Wilson. And, I do like K Wilson, however, that's a difficult position to be put in for any freshman. That said, I think that experience will help K Wilson later on in his career.
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In reply to COYOTE1213 • 2:46p, 7/4/24
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Which a lot of people liked since RC tended to leave them maaaaaaaybe a batter or 2 too long.
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2:57p, 7/4/24
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Hate to admit it but he does come out on top more often than not in those close affairs when it matters though. I mean the 2 years he knocked us out at TCU, the tu game in the regional, the guy isnt a complete putz, but the argument can be made based on what we know now that maybe he was at the very least distracted
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In reply to waco_aggie05 • 2:59p, 7/4/24
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Failing to play any backups, or do literally anting to develop the roster for next year almost from the beginning of the year makes me wonder if this was on his mind for the entire season.
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3:01p, 7/4/24
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This is a non-issue to me. You can go back and second guess, but in the end, it's a judgment call. There's no guarantee if we use anyone but Aschenbeck that we still win that first game. There's no guarantee that if we threw Asch in game 2 that we would've won that game either. I think Schloss was pretty good at pulling pitchers when it needed to be done. I really don't doubt his decisions here.

Schloss wanted to win this series, regardless of what some of you might think. His philosophy, which he spoke of many times, is if you have a chance to win a game now, you take it now. You can't play around with what might or might not happen tomorrow when you have a chance today.
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 3:06p, 7/4/24
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I think he overreacted to his failure with TCU in 2016. He basically blew off the first game to save pitching for game 2 (to make it to the champ series) and got double dipped. So he pitched scared in game 2 of this series. He panicked in my opinion.
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In reply to waco_aggie05 • 3:22p, 7/4/24
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waco_aggie05 said:
Hate to admit it but he does come out on top more often than not in those close affairs when it matters though. I mean the 2 years he knocked us out at TCU, the tu game in the regional, the guy isnt a complete putz, but the argument can be made based on what we know now that maybe he was at the very least distracted

A&M is about to find out that he (POS) knows something about baseball like all who played but the assistant coaches around him enabled him to take credit for close game victories. Earley is going to prove how much was the connections that young coaches have with players vs fatherly figures who have egos which drive them for success but at the expense of kids who need to be coached up and not talked down.
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In reply to McInnis • 3:28p, 7/4/24
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McInnis said:
No, not CDC. I'm talking about Aschenbeck. I'll always feel that Sch***** blew the CWS for us.

Chesnutt said he doesn't control his emotions very well and that cost us big time. In game one vs UT we had a 9-2 lead, then Stewart gave up a two run homer to make it 9-4. Rudis came in and gave up a homer to the first batter. I don't know if this showed on TV but being at the stadium you could see that Sch**** was steamed when he came to the mound and snatched the ball from Brad. Rudis was solid nearly all year. He finished the season with a 2.55 era and has a career record of 13-0 if I'm correct.

Rudis needed 8 more outs and there's a very good chance he would have got them. He at least should have been given one more batter to see what would happen. If he put the next guy on base, that would still be a situation well within Aschenbeck's comfort range. It turned out that a one run lead would have been enough for him, as he was about as dominant as he's been all year.

Using Aschenbeck for 2 2/3 innings set up the situation the next day when we had a 1-0 lead with only 2 1/3 innings to go where Sch***** had to turn to a guy who had pitched 8 1/3 innings all year. If Aschenbeck had been available good chance the Aggies would have won that game 1-0 and Sch***** could have left for Austin a day earlier.

Yes, I know Sch**** is a great coach and did a good job at A&M, but his malpractice probably cost us the championship. And I think it's fair to ask if it wasn't a result of him being distracted by his personal situation.


I brought up my red flag when we had a 1-run lead with 2-2/3 left in game 2, and think many posters had too much of a "I trust Schloss" in every situation, thinking he was saving Ausch for game 3 (which we NEVER led again).
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3:30p, 7/4/24
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Game 2 score was 1-0 before two TENN HRs. We didn't score enough runs. No team is going to win 1-0 in Omaha and against a team with 50 wins.
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In reply to MaroonStain • 3:40p, 7/4/24
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MaroonStain said:
Game 2 score was 1-0 before two TENN HRs. We didn't score enough runs. No team is going to win 1-0 in Omaha and against a team with 50 wins.
Agree. Game 2 was not on the pitching.
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3:47p, 7/4/24
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We lost game 2 because of our bats. Score 5 runs and we win.
One day at a time.
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In reply to trouble • 3:50p, 7/4/24
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Which a lot of people liked since RC tended to leave them maaaaaaaybe a batter or 2 too long.


TC and MJ both did this pos typically pulled them at the right time.
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 3:58p, 7/4/24
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ensign_beedrill said:
This is a non-issue to me. You can go back and second guess, but in the end, it's a judgment call. There's no guarantee if we use anyone but Aschenbeck that we still win that first game. There's no guarantee that if we threw Asch in game 2 that we would've won that game either. I think Schloss was pretty good at pulling pitchers when it needed to be done. I really don't doubt his decisions here.

Schloss wanted to win this series, regardless of what some of you might think. His philosophy, which he spoke of many times, is if you have a chance to win a game now, you take it now. You can't play around with what might or might not happen tomorrow when you have a chance today.


This… no coach is going to blow a game out of spite… Earley and the players even said they had no clue he was leaving based on how he coached…
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In reply to MaroonStain • 4:12p, 7/4/24
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Game 2 score was 1-0 before two TENN HRs. We didn't score enough runs. No team is going to win 1-0 in Omaha and against a team with 50 wins.
to be clear, my point has never been that we lost game2 because it's pitching. It's because we wasted pitching in game 2 that we knew we needed in game 3.
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In reply to Sean98 • 4:24p, 7/4/24
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Failing to play any backups, or do literally anting to develop the roster for next year almost from the beginning of the year makes me wonder if this was on his mind for the entire season.
Great point. He was probably focused on winning it all this year and had no vestment beyond June.
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In reply to McInnis • 5:14p, 7/4/24
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No, not CDC. I'm talking about Aschenbeck. I'll always feel that Sch***** blew the CWS for us.

Chesnutt said he doesn't control his emotions very well and that cost us big time. In game one vs UT we had a 9-2 lead, then Stewart gave up a two run homer to make it 9-4. Rudis came in and gave up a homer to the first batter. I don't know if this showed on TV but being at the stadium you could see that Sch**** was steamed when he came to the mound and snatched the ball from Brad. Rudis was solid nearly all year. He finished the season with a 2.55 era and has a career record of 13-0 if I'm correct.

Rudis needed 8 more outs and there's a very good chance he would have got them. He at least should have been given one more batter to see what would happen. If he put the next guy on base, that would still be a situation well within Aschenbeck's comfort range. It turned out that a one run lead would have been enough for him, as he was about as dominant as he's been all year.

Using Aschenbeck for 2 2/3 innings set up the situation the next day when we had a 1-0 lead with only 2 1/3 innings to go where Sch***** had to turn to a guy who had pitched 8 1/3 innings all year. If Aschenbeck had been available good chance the Aggies would have won that game 1-0 and Sch***** could have left for Austin a day earlier.

Yes, I know Sch**** is a great coach and did a good job at A&M, but his malpractice probably cost us the championship. And I think it's fair to ask if it wasn't a result of him being distracted by his personal situation.


This is a silly take. Of course keeping Rudis in would've been better in hindsight. But in that moment, we had no idea if we'd have a lead in the next game where Aschenbeck could come in or not. It's risky to let things spiral against Tennessee, which was one of the hottest hitting teams in the nation. There's also no guarantee Aschenbeck would have kept them from hitting any runs in game 2.

I understand the hate for Schloss is well-earned, but come on.
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In reply to epozehl • 5:22p, 7/4/24
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I thought it was way too early to pull Big Zane there myself. Not much point in starting him if you're just going to pull him after one hit.
And no, you can't put game 2 on the pitchers. But that just seemed like an odd move.
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5:29p, 7/4/24
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This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but you go to your gun there every single time. Secure the win when you can, don't take a chance.

It really sucks that Aschenbeck had to throw in game 1, but I won't blame Schloss for that move.
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5:40p, 7/4/24
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Pretty sure everyone was OK with bringing Asch in at that time.
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In reply to Guy12 • 5:40p, 7/4/24
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Guy12 said:
McInnis said:
No, not CDC. I'm talking about Aschenbeck. I'll always feel that Sch***** blew the CWS for us.

Chesnutt said he doesn't control his emotions very well and that cost us big time. In game one vs UT we had a 9-2 lead, then Stewart gave up a two run homer to make it 9-4. Rudis came in and gave up a homer to the first batter. I don't know if this showed on TV but being at the stadium you could see that Sch**** was steamed when he came to the mound and snatched the ball from Brad. Rudis was solid nearly all year. He finished the season with a 2.55 era and has a career record of 13-0 if I'm correct.

Rudis needed 8 more outs and there's a very good chance he would have got them. He at least should have been given one more batter to see what would happen. If he put the next guy on base, that would still be a situation well within Aschenbeck's comfort range. It turned out that a one run lead would have been enough for him, as he was about as dominant as he's been all year.

Using Aschenbeck for 2 2/3 innings set up the situation the next day when we had a 1-0 lead with only 2 1/3 innings to go where Sch***** had to turn to a guy who had pitched 8 1/3 innings all year. If Aschenbeck had been available good chance the Aggies would have won that game 1-0 and Sch***** could have left for Austin a day earlier.

Yes, I know Sch**** is a great coach and did a good job at A&M, but his malpractice probably cost us the championship. And I think it's fair to ask if it wasn't a result of him being distracted by his personal situation.


This is a silly take. Of course keeping Rudis in would've been better in hindsight. But in that moment, we had no idea if we'd have a lead in the next game where Aschenbeck could come in or not. It's risky to let things spiral against Tennessee, which was one of the hottest hitting teams in the nation. There's also no guarantee Aschenbeck would have kept them from hitting any runs in game 2.

I understand the hate for Schloss is well-earned, but come on.


I don't think it's silly at all. If game one had gotten dicey, then Asch could have come in. He struck out 7 of 8 batters he faced that night. Pretty sure he could have have taken care of a 2 or 3 run lead. All I said is to give Rudis at least one more batter instead of panicking and going to the security blanket too soon, knowing that pitching depth the next day would be an issue.

While I agree that hitting was the main reason we lost game two, there wasn't much Sch****** could have done about that from the dugout.

In 2018 Arkansas won 48 games and was then shut out in the championship game. It can happen.
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6:12p, 7/4/24
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Have an opportunity to win a finals game, you fire your bullets to secure it.

Unfortunate the way the rest of the series played out, but I'm not going to second guess bringing in asch
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7:44p, 7/4/24
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I don't understand why more pitchers and players didn't see the field on tuesdays. Poor Appel was beat up yet he caught practically every inning.
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In reply to aginlakeway • 8:43p, 7/4/24
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We lost game 2 because of our bats. Score 5 runs and we win.
Or rather a combination of the bats going a little cold and the UT pitching getting really hot. Give UT credit for being a solid all around team, they earned that title, and even then A&M was within one good swing of tying it at the end of Game 3
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11:27p, 7/4/24
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Or pitch someone other than Asch. Rudd's got jacked up in the SEC semifinals against Tennessee with the long ball, not sure he even got an out, Then it happened again in the CWS final. No priblem replacing him but yes I wish he had tried someone other than Asch first.
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