The real lesson from Schloss

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The big pull to get Schloss here was that he was going to be the only SEC baseball coach in Texas. He knows Texas has immense talent and we were the best job in Texas due to SEC's great commitment to baseball. Thereby making us potentially even the best job in the country.

Texas entering the SEC switched that. Texas has better player development facilities for baseball, a better city surrounding it, easier to travel to, a more storied program, and Texas is more marketable from a general standpoint, it's your basic big state school. Schloss bolted for that reason just as much as his buddy CDC in my opinion. I think the best stadium in the country was the only thing that was potentially going to keep him here.

A&M will not compete with Texas until it fixes some marketing issues and it has to provide the absolute best facilities to it's coaches to make up for the location disadvantage. Otherwise, in general some coaches and some players will see Texas as a better option. If A&M doesn't fix a few things, I can see Texas picking up another coach from us in the future.
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Could have posted these thoughts on one of several related threads.
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Or get an AD that doesn't specifically do stuff to piss the coach off.
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I feel like OP is a MarathonAg sock.
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While not formalized until July, rumors were flying that things were moving toward OU and t.u moving to the SEC. I don't think POS was so focused on doing his job that he did not realize this when he was hired by A&M a month earlier. In other words he knew before he took the A&M job it was only a matter of time, sooner rather than later, that A&M was not going to be the sole Texas SEC team.
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Wabs said:

Could have posted these thoughts on one of several related threads.
got it, you want this thread shut down cause you're not happy about it.
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GymBroFisher said:

Wabs said:

Could have posted these thoughts on one of several related threads.
got it, you want this thread shut down cause you're not happy about it.
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"a better city surrounding it"?

You lost all credibility with that statement.
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I think he would have stayed if we removed the bevel
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mwm said:

"a better city surrounding it"?

You lost all credibility with that statement.
I was meaning from a general perception standpoint
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Great news, right now we don't have many coaches that anybody else wants.
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AggieTrainer said:

Great news, right now we don't have many coaches that anybody else wants.
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GymBroFisher said:

mwm said:

"a better city surrounding it"?

You lost all credibility with that statement.
I was meaning from a general perception standpoint


No, these are 18-22 year olds, not young professionals. Crime, homelessness, no law enforcement isn't enticing to everyone. Especially parents.
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AggieTrainer said:

Great news, right now we don't have many coaches that anybody else wants.



Lmao
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While true at the end and used as part of the excuse narrative, Schloss was complaining early and often about A&M traditions (both at baseball and football games....he was obsessed with having dancing teams so his daughter could dance at games or something....he's also a dirty old man), NIL funds and facilities being too small.

Essentially his departure was going to happen (even his buddy BL knew it behind the scenes), but expedited by A&M AD change (Trev's mission was to stop the bleeding w boat anchor payoff to Jimbo), tu joining SEC, and his bottom buddy CDC AD at tu with an open checkbook for NIL, facilities, staff, etc.

tu will pay to win all SEC men's championships...money is not an issue regardless (irony, if you are winning at all of them, money also increases...something our AD needs to understand) and throw in crazy lifestyle excluding morals, Schloss is in the hell he always dreamed of.
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mwm said:

"a better city surrounding it"?

You lost all credibility with that statement.
What you really mean is area with better culture of sexual degeneracy around it. I mean he was making trips out of town to get his rocks off because BCS just wasn't weird enough for him. Austin is full of the **** he likes. Don't be surprised one day if he gets caught up in a trafficking sting or just sending dick pics to the wrong person.
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What is his buddy's relationship with TA like ? I get the feeling it's not great
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I know this...Schloss absolutely did NOT leave A&M for Texas because of ANYTHING related to their facilities whatsoever.

Texas cannot compete with A&M in that area.

A land locked University and their baseball facilies are already considered subpar in the SEC.

He went as he hated the culture and the guy loves to live an alternative life style which is not well accepted. He ran for his own personal selfish reasons and for more money and prestige. He was never staying in Aggieland long-term. Horrible cultural and moral fit for him.

As simple as that.
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GymBroFisher said:

The big pull to get Schloss here was that he was going to be the only SEC baseball coach in Texas. He knows Texas has immense talent and we were the best job in Texas due to SEC's great commitment to baseball. Thereby making us potentially even the best job in the country.

Texas entering the SEC switched that. Texas has better player development facilities for baseball, a better city surrounding it, easier to travel to, a more storied program, and Texas is more marketable from a general standpoint, it's your basic big state school. Schloss bolted for that reason just as much as his buddy CDC in my opinion. I think the best stadium in the country was the only thing that was potentially going to keep him here.

A&M will not compete with Texas until it fixes some marketing issues and it has to provide the absolute best facilities to it's coaches to make up for the location disadvantage. Otherwise, in general some coaches and some players will see Texas as a better option. If A&M doesn't fix a few things, I can see Texas picking up another coach from us in the future.

You should post less. Your points are nonsensical and add zero to the discussion. Marketing issues? Taking another coach from us in the future?
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Schloss bolted for that reason just as much as his buddy CDC in my opinion.
Here I disagree. The ONLY reason this happened, imo, was CDC being at tu. CDC is at Stanford, I doubt POS goes to tu or Stanford. He stays in the SEC. Yet, if CDC is at Ole Miss, we likely lose him. It was about CDC, the rest was POS looking for justification to follow CDC to tu. I truly believe this.

A&M is a top 5 job in college baseball. And once the facilities are finished, look out. POS used the facilities issue to justify his leaving. Same with the person he brought in that we let go once Trev got here. Same with us not picking the AD POS wanted when he was on the selection committee.

I do think there is smoke to the alternative lifestyle thing mentioned above as well. In the end, tu didn't give POS any added advantage to create a college baseball powerhouse that he was on the verge of making here. I do think had he had this same roster and injuries, he might be having a tough year as well, just like Earley. Regardless, tu doesn't have THAT many advantages over A&M. This was all about CDC and really, nothing more. As long as CDC was at an SEC school, we were likely to lose him if they had a coaching change...

The issue here is you are believing the optics, not the reality of the situation. Do you actually think tu would pull another coach from us in baseball or any other men's sport if they wanted him? No. This was a rare situation where POS's best friend was running an athletic department in the SEC. Period.
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SteveA said:

Or get an AD that doesn't specifically do stuff to piss the coach off.
I truly do not believe Trev did anything that caused this. Trev was an excuse for POS. The ONLY AD that would have kept POS here would have been hiring CDC. POS would have happily stayed.
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Now tu is going after listeater
NEXT YEAR IS HERE.......again
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Public reasons are very rarely the private motivations. But there is lots of speculation in this thread. Maybe we should have kept him but just like with Gillispie it didn't matter what we did but what he wanted.

With both BCG and Schloss one of the public reasons was slowness in addressing facilities which Bob Gates and $Bill both acknowledged hampered RC's recruiting.

A&M takes much less financial risk than Texas does in part because of our history but more importantly because of our isolation from Austin culturally and geographically. Consider the new Moody Center. That just is not something B/CS plus the school can pull off. Maybe it's a lack of cajones but more likely it's real estate aka location, location, location.

Not dissing B/CS but it doesn't have a major growth driver other than the University while Austin has many (and in spite of a generally anti-big business vibe among is keeping Austin weird demographic….which appears to have a new subscriber!!!!)
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Lol, I was looking at some older photos and putting "honor" on his back just makes me wanna' barf.

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GymBroFisher said:

The big pull to get Schloss here was that he was going to be the only SEC baseball coach in Texas. He knows Texas has immense talent and we were the best job in Texas due to SEC's great commitment to baseball. Thereby making us potentially even the best job in the country.

Texas entering the SEC switched that. Texas has better player development facilities for baseball, a better city surrounding it, easier to travel to, a more storied program, and Texas is more marketable from a general standpoint, it's your basic big state school. Schloss bolted for that reason just as much as his buddy CDC in my opinion. I think the best stadium in the country was the only thing that was potentially going to keep him here.

A&M will not compete with Texas until it fixes some marketing issues and it has to provide the absolute best facilities to it's coaches to make up for the location disadvantage. Otherwise, in general some coaches and some players will see Texas as a better option. If A&M doesn't fix a few things, I can see Texas picking up another coach from us in the future.

some people and coaches will hate the Austin bubble... some will love it... and some it will be immaterial to the goal of running the most effective program in the country. We love A&M for the reasons that it is NOT Austin, but to believe that we present a more successful or storied athletics program to recruits or Texas HS programs is nothing short of delusional. A&M has to be aggressively different and draw a distinction in culture and priorities. Our university sh-t the bed with respect to Schloss. Degenerate proclivities aside, he was a machine in his approach to baseball recruitment and performance..... if the BOR/AD was aware of his moral shortcomings (presuming they were true), then wtf did they hire him? They knew of his dissatisfaction and simply drank their own kool-aid, eventually reacting very late to secure a good replacement and being left no alternative but to eat his leftovers.

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ensign_beedrill said:

Lol, I was looking at some older photos and putting "honor" on his back just makes me wanna' barf.




That's what he tells other men to do with his wife. Get honor and stay honor.
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GymBroFisher said:

The big pull to get Schloss here was that he was going to be the only SEC baseball coach in Texas. He knows Texas has immense talent and we were the best job in Texas due to SEC's great commitment to baseball. Thereby making us potentially even the best job in the country.

Texas entering the SEC switched that. Texas has better player development facilities for baseball, a better city surrounding it, easier to travel to, a more storied program, and Texas is more marketable from a general standpoint, it's your basic big state school. Schloss bolted for that reason just as much as his buddy CDC in my opinion. I think the best stadium in the country was the only thing that was potentially going to keep him here.

A&M will not compete with Texas until it fixes some marketing issues and it has to provide the absolute best facilities to it's coaches to make up for the location disadvantage. Otherwise, in general some coaches and some players will see Texas as a better option. If A&M doesn't fix a few things, I can see Texas picking up another coach from us in the future.

I really don't give a **** about the sips. We need to fix A&M to where it can be all it can be. Thing is, we usually manage to crap the bed some way, some how. It doesn't matter the sport, you can bank on it. The issues we have are much larger and I think its part of a culture problem that stems from our loyalty, fervent support, and the deserved/undeserved hero status that is thrust upon our athletes. I also think there is an attitude within the athletic department that exudes "we are A&M, we are the best, we have the best, and we do things 1st class." I think this subtly tamps down the sense of urgency to get things done.


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As it stands now, Easterwood is only a shuttle airport for AA to DFW. If Bryan/College Station were serious, they upgrade the terminal at Easterwood to have probably triple the number of gates and then market themselves to lower cost airlines like Avelo and/or Breeze as a mid-continent stopover hub and as a reliever airport for Southwest. You market to Southwest for routes to BNA and PHX, along with to Love Field. You could easily market to Northwest Houston & Katy residents to fly out of Easterwood versus doing the madness that is IAH and Hobby because in total time to the gate, its probably quicker and a whole lot less stressful.

I say this because I used to travel by air often out of Easterwood to not hassle with IAH, Hobby, and Bergstrom. Timewise, it was quicker for me and the fare differences on UAL and AA were not much different from Houston or Austin if you shopped it. Traveling on UAL sucked because once you took off, you flew for about 15 minutes only to be thrown into the mess at IAH. Point is, B/CS could do a lot to solve some of its travel logistics nightmares.
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greg.w.h said:

Public reasons are very rarely the private motivations. But there is lots of speculation in this thread. Maybe we should have kept him but just like with Gillispie it didn't matter what we did but what he wanted.

With both BCG and Schloss one of the public reasons was slowness in addressing facilities which Bob Gates and $Bill both acknowledged hampered RC's recruiting.

A&M takes much less financial risk than Texas does in part because of our history but more importantly because of our isolation from Austin culturally and geographically. Consider the new Moody Center. That just is not something B/CS plus the school can pull off. Maybe it's a lack of cajones but more likely it's real estate aka location, location, location.

Not dissing B/CS but it doesn't have a major growth driver other than the University while Austin has many (and in spite of a generally anti-big business vibe among is keeping Austin weird demographic….which appears to have a new subscriber!!!!)
The Moody Foundation in Austin is all about cultural improvements and is involved in these sorts of amenities all over the state. B-CS is not a big enough city to get their attention for such an improvement.
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Bunk Moreland said:

I feel like OP is a MarathonAg sock.

Not sure but he/she is hella annoying
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Sgt. Schultz said:

GymBroFisher said:

The big pull to get Schloss here was that he was going to be the only SEC baseball coach in Texas. He knows Texas has immense talent and we were the best job in Texas due to SEC's great commitment to baseball. Thereby making us potentially even the best job in the country.

Texas entering the SEC switched that. Texas has better player development facilities for baseball, a better city surrounding it, easier to travel to, a more storied program, and Texas is more marketable from a general standpoint, it's your basic big state school. Schloss bolted for that reason just as much as his buddy CDC in my opinion. I think the best stadium in the country was the only thing that was potentially going to keep him here.

A&M will not compete with Texas until it fixes some marketing issues and it has to provide the absolute best facilities to it's coaches to make up for the location disadvantage. Otherwise, in general some coaches and some players will see Texas as a better option. If A&M doesn't fix a few things, I can see Texas picking up another coach from us in the future.

I really don't give a **** about the sips. We need to fix A&M to where it can be all it can be. Thing is, we usually manage to crap the bed some way, some how. It doesn't matter the sport, you can bank on it. The issues we have are much larger and I think its part of a culture problem that stems from our loyalty, fervent support, and the deserved/undeserved hero status that is thrust upon our athletes. I also think there is an attitude within the athletic department that exudes "we are A&M, we are the best, we have the best, and we do things 1st class." I think this subtly tamps down the sense of urgency to get things done.


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As it stands now, Easterwood is only a shuttle airport for AA to DFW. If Bryan/College Station were serious, they upgrade the terminal at Easterwood to have probably triple the number of gates and then market themselves to lower cost airlines like Avelo and/or Breeze as a mid-continent stopover hub and as a reliever airport for Southwest. You market to Southwest for routes to BNA and PHX, along with to Love Field. You could easily market to Northwest Houston & Katy residents to fly out of Easterwood versus doing the madness that is IAH and Hobby because in total time to the gate, its probably quicker and a whole lot less stressful.

I say this because I used to travel by air often out of Easterwood to not hassle with IAH, Hobby, and Bergstrom. Timewise, it was quicker for me and the fare differences on UAL and AA were not much different from Houston or Austin if you shopped it. Traveling on UAL sucked because once you took off, you flew for about 15 minutes only to be thrown into the mess at IAH. Point is, B/CS could do a lot to solve some of its travel logistics nightmares.
I feel like A&M ONLY lets money talk. We have been able to swing for hot coaches in most sports by throwing big paychecks at them. We often way overpay, which any good coach is going to listen. We have to overpay in many sports. However, I also think we have a habit of being very tight and bureaucratic once the coach is procured. We let the big donors get too involved with the program. We ratchet back anything resembling big marketing pushes, we stall on facilities (of course until we start losing steam and need a new coach), prioritize head coach over asst coaching packages, and are generally afraid to push all the chips in on athletics. We don't have a sports identity. It's practically a mirror image of the school makeup. We love to build stuff (engineering), we are bureaucratic/dogmatic (military history), afraid to market ourselves (marketing is the redheaded step child at Mays), and way too stuck in tradition (all male, all military, only we "get it"). IMO, what you get is a fantastic school, full of honorable people, very safe for students, insulated from the outside, and generally very conservative/religious. The problem is we don't really understand what it takes to be successful in sports. We think its buildings, not culture. We refuse to allow outside influences make decisions (marketing). We even struggle with this concept that we need to hire people that "get" A&M. I am of the opinion that we need to hire people that "get" marketing, compensation, sports management, fan experience, etc. I don't care that they are Aggies, and frankly probably need to NOT be Aggies to move us outside of the current culture rut we are in.

On the airport suggestion. I am of the same opinion. The economic centerline of Houston is expected to move to West Highway 6 by mid 2035. Houston has nowhere to grow but north and west. College Station could, and should be like a Bakersfield in LA. A distant suburb of one of the 3 or 4 biggest cities in America. It's part of the reason, despite the flaws and challenges to the speed rail, that I am fully in favor of it. College Station is a stop (maybe THE stop) on that line to DFW. A change like that makes a world of difference for BCS. The airport piece is also really interesting, because it could feed/seed the speed rail. Southwest dropping into to College Station, jump on the rail and get to Dallas/Houston. But that requires people in BCS wanting to get bigger and stronger, which I seriously doubt they really want.
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Texas_Ag11 said:


It's part of the reason, despite the flaws and challenges to the speed rail, that I am fully in favor of it. College Station is a stop (maybe THE stop) on that line to DFW. A change like that makes a world of difference for BCS. The airport piece is also really interesting, because it could feed/seed the speed rail. Southwest dropping into to College Station, jump on the rail and get to Dallas/Houston. But that requires people in BCS wanting to get bigger and stronger, which I seriously doubt they really want.

Unless it has changed, the planned stop in Brazos Valley isn't that close to College Station. It is on 30 about half way between College Station and Huntsville. Probably a 30-40 minute drive to Easterwood Airport from there.

I just can't see someone commuting to the train stop in downtown Houston/Dallas, then taking a train to this Brazos Valley stop, and then having a 30-40 minute shuttle to the airport over just commuting to one of the airports in Houston or the Metroplex and flying out of there.
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