Why not move Prager to Game 3?

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8:52a, 3/26/25
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Typically you throw your best guys in order in games 1-3 to try to win as many as possible, but with our bats and defense playing poorly, the odds of winning game 1's with Prager feel so low that I would just save him.

When the bats come around, sure put him back up top. In the meantime, let's just try to salvage 1 game every weekend.
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9:00a, 3/26/25
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Not a bad idea. We've seen a lot of other programs put pitch backwards against us over the years. A win is a win in the record books.
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9:10a, 3/26/25
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If I'm Earley I'm considering all possible changes to shake things up. A win is a win.
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9:15a, 3/26/25
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including tandem starts
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9:30a, 3/26/25
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Kentucky and Mizzou you need at least 5 win. That leaves needing 8 wins in 19 other SEC games to get to 14 and leave yourself a chance

If we get to a point where we are going on road
To a top team and trying to salvage just 1-2 wins you definitely consider it
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9:42a, 3/26/25
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Got to be careful with weekends where weather could be a factor. Don't want to risk having a game 3 cancelled and then not having pitched Prager at all.
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9:45a, 3/26/25
Patton has damn near equally as good. Certainly hes been good enough. If we cant hit their Sunday it doesn't really matter. We've been making opponents Sunday guy look like Nolan Ryan each series.
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 10:27a, 3/26/25
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Gyles Marrett said:
Patton has damn near equally as good. Certainly hes been good enough. If we cant hit their Sunday it doesn't really matter. We've been making opponents Sunday guy look like Nolan Ryan each series.
This. We aren't doing any better hitting Sunday starters than Friday guys, so it's really on the offense.
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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 10:59a, 3/26/25
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Gyles Marrett said:
Patton has damn near equally as good. Certainly hes been good enough. If we cant hit their Sunday it doesn't really matter. We've been making opponents Sunday guy look like Nolan Ryan each series.
If there was a huge dropoff in quality of our starters, maybe you tinker with the rotation and sacrifice the Friday game on the road against top competition. But, that's not really our situation. I think Patton gives us a good chance to win on Sunday, and it would be really good if our hitting would do any damage at all in the first two games and force the other team to use their quality bullpen arms on those days. Prager going on Friday gives us the best chance for a win that day, but also the highest probability that our opponent will have to use their best bullpen arms to beat us.
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3:37p, 3/26/25
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I think you consider tandem starters before you pitch backwards. Should be looking at all options right now though.

Edit: thinking about it if we are really desperate we could throw wheoever on friday then do Prager/Moss & Lamkin/Patton tandems to try and win Saturday & Friday. That would be really desperate though.
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3:49p, 3/26/25
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I'd consider Patton or Lamkin in the Aschenbeck role. Gives you a chance to take 2 of the 3 games if you can get him into multiple games to nail down the win. Pitch the Sunday game by committee.
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3:54p, 3/26/25
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If we have another poor showing this weekend vs Kentucky, they should start to consider this.
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3:57p, 3/26/25
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Moving pitchers around will do nothing for us yall. We have a top 10 ERA in the country but can't hit a softball down the middle. This team is losing games because of the offense, plain and simple.
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4:04p, 3/26/25
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In SEC play, Prager has been pitching more like a Sunday pitcher anyway.

His ERA is 5.14 in SEC, Patton and Lamkin, 2.70 and 3.00.

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In reply to Gyles Marrett • 8:40p, 3/26/25
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Gyles Marrett said:
Patton has damn near equally as good. Certainly hes been good enough. If we cant hit their Sunday it doesn't really matter. We've been making opponents Sunday guy look like Nolan Ryan each series.
This! Lamkin and Patton have been just as effective as Prager. If you can't score, it doesn't matter who you have on the bump.
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In reply to 85AustinAg • 8:42p, 3/26/25
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85AustinAg said:
I'd consider Patton or Lamkin in the Aschenbeck role. Gives you a chance to take 2 of the 3 games if you can get him into multiple games to nail down the win. Pitch the Sunday game by committee.
Gotta have a lead to "nail down the win." When you can't score runs there is no nailing down the win.
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In reply to AggieBB • 10:08p, 3/26/25
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Our starters put us in position to win. It's the relief pitching that needs the help.
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9:05a, 3/27/25
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Pitching ain't the problem. At all.
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10:51a, 3/27/25
It is correct that Prager has not been nearly as sharp or effective as he was last season. Giving up more walks, throwing fastballs at 90 or less, slider seldom sharp and more fat pitches when behind in count. He might be more effective as a Saturday or Sunday starter.
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In reply to The Marksman • 11:36a, 3/27/25
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The Marksman said:
Moving pitchers around will do nothing for us yall. We have a top 10 ERA in the country but can't hit a softball down the middle. This team is losing games because of the offense, plain and simple.
A&M has a top 10 ERA in innings 1 thru 6

it's not top 10 in innings 7 thru 9

that's the problem
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In reply to CapCityAg89 • 11:58a, 3/27/25
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Pitching ain't the problem. At all.


This, why shake up something thats working.
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In reply to CapCityAg89 • 12:10p, 3/27/25
CapCityAg89 said:
Pitching ain't the problem. At all.


I disagree. I'm watching the 7th, 8th, & 9th innings of these games and seeing that the bullpen is a problem.
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12:13p, 3/27/25
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Two things can be true:
1. The bullpen, while talented, has been erratic
2. Our offense is dreadful
In SEC play so far, we are averaging approximately 2 runs per game. We're not winning any games like that no matter how good our pitchers are. That's why, in my opinion, offense is the issue here and not pitching. Moving our starting pitchers around isn't going to help us win.
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In reply to The Marksman • 1:26p, 3/27/25
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The Marksman said:
Two things can be true:
1. The bullpen, while talented, has been erratic
2. Our offense is dreadful
In SEC play so far, we are averaging approximately 2 runs per game. We're not winning any games like that no matter how good our pitchers are. That's why, in my opinion, offense is the issue here and not pitching. Moving our starting pitchers around isn't going to help us win.
This. If we start scoring runs, and still can't hold a lead, then we can talk about the pitching, but I just don't see that as highly relevant at this point. We're second in the SEC in ERA. Having our best pitchers pitch fewer innings is likely to result in us giving up more runs overall, and it doesn't really matter when you give up runs (whether its the early innings or late innings) if the number stays the same.
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In reply to twk • 4:58p, 3/27/25
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twk said:
The Marksman said:
Two things can be true:
1. The bullpen, while talented, has been erratic
2. Our offense is dreadful
In SEC play so far, we are averaging approximately 2 runs per game. We're not winning any games like that no matter how good our pitchers are. That's why, in my opinion, offense is the issue here and not pitching. Moving our starting pitchers around isn't going to help us win.
This. If we start scoring runs, and still can't hold a lead, then we can talk about the pitching, but I just don't see that as highly relevant at this point. We're second in the SEC in ERA. Having our best pitchers pitch fewer innings is likely to result in us giving up more runs overall, and it doesn't really matter when you give up runs (whether its the early innings or late innings) if the number stays the same.

The other issue is the pressure it puts on our pitchers. Our guys are basically top 5 in the country KNOWING that if they aren't top 1 (and maybe even if they are), it's a loss. I think they could be even more effective if they thought there was some leeway for a mistake.
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In reply to The Marksman • 5:43p, 3/27/25
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The Marksman said:
Moving pitchers around will do nothing for us yall. We have a top 10 ERA in the country but can't hit a softball down the middle. This team is losing games because of the offense, plain and simple.


This!

Has ZERO to do with our starting pitcher. They are all excellent. We cannot score runs and make bad defensive plays. Pitching so far has simply kept us close in all our matches. Put more balls in play (versus swining for the fences) and this would be a different team.
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