Will We Cancel Tuesday Against Sam

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8:30a, 4/18/25
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One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 8:32a, 4/18/25
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One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.


Should worry about winning today. And then winning Tuesday. And then the next series.
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8:32a, 4/18/25
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I think with how many losses we took in the front end of the schedule that we need as many wins as we can get, if nothing more than to just make our final record look better.
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8:32a, 4/18/25
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We are hot, and that's fun. But don't get ahead of yourself. Given the beginning we had... just get in and don't worry about seeding, especially now.
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In reply to angus55 • 8:58a, 4/18/25
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angus55 said:
LOYAL AG said:
One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.


Should worry about winning today. And then winning Tuesday. And then the next series.


Nice theory and I generally agree but it's literally the Tuesday game I'm talking about. If we keep winning these high RPI series that game arguably hurts more than it helps. That's the question.
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 9:07a, 4/18/25
Racking up wins is more important than RPI rn.

And with the way some of our draft-headed guys struggled early, so is letting them rack up stats to catch up.

We won't cancel this.
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In reply to 20ag07 • 9:10a, 4/18/25
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Racking up wins is more important than RPI rn.

And with the way some of our draft-headed guys struggled early, so is letting them rack up stats to catch up.

We won't cancel this.


Yep

Gimmee the win to pump up Our record

The two situations are different

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9:12a, 4/18/25
It's ridiculous that any win could actually hurt your RPI ranking. They need to adjust that formula or completely factor out those games. "Awesome, we won!"………."yeah it was a great game but we got penalized for it and dropped in the rankings." In what sane world are positive accomplishments penalized? College baseball and undefeated college football teams are 2 that quickly come to mind.
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9:16a, 4/18/25
This team still has too many unanswered questions out of the bullpen. Any live baseball where we can trot out some arms is a good thing. I'd love to see if Wansing can throw an inning or two.
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9:18a, 4/18/25
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We still have series against t.u., LSU, and Georgia, plus a series against Arkansas that we haven't won yet.

We need all the wins we can get, and those series are going to be hard to get wins against. You're looking way too far ahead and forgetting what we have in front of us.
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In reply to RoadkillBBQ • 9:20a, 4/18/25
If you never saw RPI on a week-to week basis, only at the end of the season, you'd have no issue with the formula.

It's the fact that you beat a way crappier team on a Tues in Apr than somebody else did, that makes it look like it's "hurting" you.

At the end of the season, the formula is fair. It's the movement people don't like.
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9:34a, 4/18/25
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I don't ever like the approach to hide from games. If we deserve to be there, then we should perform. Plus these games are also good momentum builders, especially for our pitchers. They definitely were for our pen last season. I'd rather see us play.

Good topic btw.
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10:23a, 4/18/25
This is the type of thing you can get away with if you are trying to stay on the right side of an 8/9 seed. Everybody knows what's happening, but the committee won't really punish you.

If you find yourself on the bubble, which we currently are, they will absolutely murder you for it, and use it as an unsaid reason to leave you out.
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10:26a, 4/18/25
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I want to play for the sole reason to keep the bats swinging. Don't want alot of time off....
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10:27a, 4/18/25
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Tend to agree with everyone on the idea that right now we just need to play baseball and keep winning games just thought it was an interesting question based on what we saw from one of Earley's mentors.

Thanks for the discussion.
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10:28a, 4/18/25
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I am always in favor of playing the games as scheduled, even if it hurts your RPI. That's just the nature of college baseball schedules.
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11:03a, 4/18/25
The one tactic used by POS that I truly loathed. I understood why he did it in '22 but hated that he resorted to it.

IMO, the more Fightin' Texas Aggie baseball the better. I guess you can argue that cancelling this game would be an attempt to insure that later in the season and might bite my tongue about it if we were near the end of the season but right now there is plenty of opportunity to bump our RPI up to where it needs to be.
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 11:05a, 4/18/25
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Not all bosses are mentors
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In reply to Wabs • 11:14a, 4/18/25
Wabs said:
I want to play for the sole reason to keep the bats swinging. Don't want alot of time off....

Besides, gotta sell churros.
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11:16a, 4/18/25
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If we can win one today the 2022 comparisons are really going to start to ramp up. We cancelled two midweek games down the stretch agains RPI #127 Sam Houston and #161 UIW. IIRC, the UIW one was considered more questionable at the time.

After six SEC series in 2022 (ironically after the Arkansas series):
Overall Record: 25-14
SEC Record: 10-8
RPI (April 12, before series wins @UGA and vs Arkansas): 50
RPI (April 26, post Arkansas): 25

2025, entering Friday:
Overall Record: 22-15
SEC Record: 7-9
RPI: 44

We ended up with an RPI of 9 on Selection Monday. We were sitting at 20 on May 9 and 13 going into Hoover.
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11:18a, 4/18/25
I really really really really reallly really reallly reallly reallly reallly reallly really really really really hate the trend in teams cancelling games against the small schools that could hurt their RPI. It shouldn't be allowed. I don't know how to fix that issue, but its really ****ty for those teams and players that are fighting their own RPI/SOS schedules to get in.

Strategize your schedule at the beginning and be held to what you committed to in the first place. No excuse to cancel barring weather or tragedy.
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 11:44a, 4/18/25
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LOYAL AG said:
Tend to agree with everyone on the idea that right now we just need to play baseball and keep winning games just thought it was an interesting question based on what we saw from one of Earley's mentors.

Thanks for the discussion.
We have three non-conference games left. Lamar will be a Quad 2 game, Houston a Quad 3, and Sam a Quad 4. Win all three and I don't think it hurts our RPI.
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In reply to trouble • 12:45p, 4/18/25
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trouble said:
Not all bosses are mentors


Not to derail the thread but this is fanspeak. Schloss is a hell of a baseball coach. He build TCU from nothing to multiple CWS appearances, took us to 2 CWS in 3 years and has tu #1 in year 1. He's most definitely a mentor to Earley and we can only hope he learned a ton about how to run a winning program from Schloss.
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 12:48p, 4/18/25
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LOYAL AG said:
trouble said:
Not all bosses are mentors


Not to derail the thread but this is fanspeak. Schloss is a hell of a baseball coach. He build TCU from nothing to multiple CWS appearances, took us to 2 CWS in 3 years and has tu #1 in year 1. He's most definitely a mentor to Earley and we can only hope he learned a ton about how to run a winning program from Schloss.
I don't know how you can say this with certainty. Some guys do very little to develop those under them beyond their specific job at the time.

The Schloss coaching tree isn't exactly killing it outside of Vitello (and I think we know how Tony feels about him).
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 12:49p, 4/18/25
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LOYAL AG said:
One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.



Typical of Scloss. What about the other team? Awefully selfish of Schloss. Bad bull, too.
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In reply to powerbelly • 12:55p, 4/18/25
Well Saarloos (who people here wanted him to bring with him to CS, as well as as many players from TCU as he could) has TCU sitting at the front of the B12 and in the top 25 rn, a place we'd love to be.
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In reply to trouble • 1:22p, 4/18/25
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trouble said:
Not all bosses are mentors
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In reply to Bryanisbest • 1:38p, 4/18/25
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Bryanisbest said:
LOYAL AG said:
One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.



Typical of Scloss. What about the other team? Awefully selfish of Schloss. Bad bull, too.


The other team isn't relevant here. if their RPI is so low that we're having this conversation then they aren't going to regionals unless they win their conference tournament in which case RPI doesn't matter.
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In reply to powerbelly • 1:38p, 4/18/25
Vitello at Tenn...
Mazey did a lot for WVU
Whitting was doing well at UofH..NIL killed that
Sarloos at TCU is doing pretty good.
Earley is yet to be seen

That's just off the top of my head.
It's not a bad tree.
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In reply to powerbelly • 1:40p, 4/18/25
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powerbelly said:
LOYAL AG said:
trouble said:
Not all bosses are mentors


Not to derail the thread but this is fanspeak. Schloss is a hell of a baseball coach. He build TCU from nothing to multiple CWS appearances, took us to 2 CWS in 3 years and has tu #1 in year 1. He's most definitely a mentor to Earley and we can only hope he learned a ton about how to run a winning program from Schloss.
I don't know how you can say this with certainty. Some guys do very little to develop those under them beyond their specific job at the time.

The Schloss coaching tree isn't exactly killing it outside of Vitello (and I think we know how Tony feels about him).


I've learned something from everyone I've ever worked for. Some of it was good and some wasn't. Like I said we can only hope Earley learned some good stuff from Schloss. Either way he learned something.
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In reply to LOYAL AG • 1:41p, 4/18/25
LOYAL AG said:
Bryanisbest said:
LOYAL AG said:
One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.



Typical of Scloss. What about the other team? Awefully selfish of Schloss. Bad bull, too.


The other team isn't relevant here. if their RPI is so low that we're having this conversation then they aren't going to regionals unless they win their conference tournament in which case RPI doesn't matter.



When I'm being objective, I don't think it is the coach's fault for wanting to game the system the best way he can to give his team the best shot of having a better offseason position.

The issue is that right now, they are incentivized to do these kinds of things when they should be held to the schedule they first made and only allowed to add makeup games if other needed to be cancelled or postponed.
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In reply to swimmerbabe11 • 1:44p, 4/18/25
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swimmerbabe11 said:
LOYAL AG said:
Bryanisbest said:
LOYAL AG said:
One of the things we saw Swingin' Jim do in 2022 was cancel a couple of Tuesday games against low RPI teams because he knew he was playing for a national seed and a win over RPI 200+ teams would actually hurt our metrics. At the time fans didn't really like it but it worked and we got a national seed.

Here we are now with a chance to play our way into a host spot or a 2-seed and I'm curious if we'll see Earley take the same mindset. The math likely says beating them hurts your RPI yet it's one more win and that might help. Hard to say.



Typical of Scloss. What about the other team? Awefully selfish of Schloss. Bad bull, too.


The other team isn't relevant here. if their RPI is so low that we're having this conversation then they aren't going to regionals unless they win their conference tournament in which case RPI doesn't matter.



When I'm being objective, I don't think it is the coach's fault for wanting to game the system the best way he can to give his team the best shot of having a better offseason position.

The issue is that right now, they are incentivized to do these kinds of things when they should be held to the schedule they first made and only allowed to add makeup games if other needed to be cancelled or postponed.



Selfishness. What if your kid was on the other team and he'd been looking forward to playing the Aggies all year. Play the game. Principle is more important than selfish goals.
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In reply to Bryanisbest • 1:50p, 4/18/25
Hey, I agree with you that it's a bad practice. Those reallys in my first post on the subject were hand typed. I think its chickensh. However, if you have a bubble team and not playing that game is the difference, 10/10 coaches are going to cancel the game. They are incentivized and paid to make those kind of decisions.

The NCAA needs to hold them accountable to the schedules they proposed in the beginning and only let them off the hook in extenuating circumstances.
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1:57p, 4/18/25
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There's a part of me that loves people who look for every advantage they can get to reach their goals. It shows they are smart, pay attention to details, and are driven.

But the older I get and the more I see too many people focus just what's in it for themselves and not keep commitments, including that former coach you speak of, the more I think about the passage from 1st Corinthians that says that not everything that is permissible is advantageous. At least not in the grander scheme of things.
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In reply to swimmerbabe11 • 1:58p, 4/18/25
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swimmerbabe11 said:
Hey, I agree with you that it's a bad practice. Those reallys in my first post on the subject were hand typed. I think its chickensh. However, if you have a bubble team and not playing that game is the difference, 10/10 coaches are going to cancel the game. They are incentivized and paid to make those kind of decisions.

The NCAA needs to hold them accountable to the schedules they proposed in the beginning and only let them off the hook in extenuating circumstances.


Hey, sorry. I didn't read that first post.
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