Help answer some school rumors?

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FireAg
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Anyone have anything concrete?

- Texas is considering canceling STAAR testing...

- K-12 schools might be done for the year, and there is a major effort going on right now to finish the semester on-line...
Charpie
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We got an email from our ISD that we will know more by Thursday
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www.texasisd.com is a good resource for any possible changes regarding STAAR testing. I doubt anything would be cancelled for a week or two. There is a good online article in the Houston Chronicle about possibly extending time out of school, just google Houston Chronicle school leaders.
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About one or both?
Belton Ag
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I can see them cancelling STAAR testing, but based on current information regarding the epidemic, cancelling the rest of the school year would be shocking to say the least.
FireAg
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I fully expect them to keep the kids out of school through April...

We are on a one week ban, but I expect it to snowball...
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Both.

Most schools are on spring break or extended it for another week. I think they are in a wait and see mode and prepping to move to an online mode for a few weeks.
FireAg
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Which is interesting to me because, while i think the universities are well prepared to go fully online, I think that preparedness decreases as you go down in school age...
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Belton Ag said:

I can see them cancelling STAAR testing, but based on current information regarding the epidemic, cancelling the rest of the school year would be shocking to say the least.
I agree it would be shocking, but I have seen multiple elected officials (none in TX) float the idea on the news today.

The mayor of NYC (who is trying to keep them open as long as possible) said on CNN about an hour ago that once they close, they may not open again for the school year or maybe even the calendar year.

The Gov of Ohio was the other one saying the school year may be done.

I think they are mentally preparing people for the possibility.

Edited to add that Boston is having school tomorrow (last I saw) but then they are closing for 6 weeks.

3rd Generation Ag
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High school not really a problem either. Most of us uses the came Canvas platform used by many colleges. Students can access digital instruction adn submit work that same way. Teachers and students can interact in a safe and controlled manner.

I do not see how early elementary can do the same. Hard to imagine an online kinder or pre K.

You might even see a splint. 8 and below be done for the year and high school having to finish classes to get credit needed through a digital system. Schools that don't use canvas use Google classroom. So the systems are there for high school
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My public school kid gets an extra week of spring break. We don't know anymore than that.

My private school kids an extra week of spring break and then at least 2 weeks of distance learning. Teachers are doing in-service next week to plan exactly how that's going to work.
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They use Canvas here in junior high, so I suspect that's how my 14yo will finish 8th grade...

My 8yo though...they don't use any of that...
nai06
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Sort of a long post:

I would say most districts aren't equipped to transition to online learning. For that to happen, a district has to ensure every kid has the proper equipment at home. At the bare minimum an ipad and internet. That simply isn't the case for most districts. You can't hold a kid responsible for classwork at home if they can't access it or complete it.

As far as extending the school year, I don't see that happening either. Gov. Abbott has declared a statewide emergency as have many cities and counties. What will likely happen is that districts will use any inclement weather days already built into the school calendar and then apply for a waiver from TEA. I can't imagine them not granting the waivers. Look at the Houston area schools after Harvey. Its a similar situation.


STAAR Testing is a whole different ballgame. Right now my guess is that it continues with the results not being counted. But at this point its pretty uncharted territory. With Harvey, I think the test went on as planned but kids that failed were still allowed to graduate or move in to the next grade level. With this being statewide they might actually cancel the whole thing. Many state legislators are already sending letters to the TEA to cancel testing for the year. Hell, this could be the thing that finally kills standardized testing statewide.


College Board is allowing students who are signed up for the SATs to reschedule or get a refund with no penalty right now but is moving forward with AP testing in May. Students affected by the shutdown will be allowed to take the late tests with no penalty. That creates a new set of problems with scheduling though.


The key date right now is April 1. Thats really when schools will have to make a decision to continue with classes or cancel the rest of the semester. I know schools don't want to cancel the rest of the semester but its going to be dependent on the severity of the outbreak at that point. TEA cannot on its own cancel public school. That has to be done by Gov. Abbott and the State Health Dept.


I'm by no means an expert on this, but thats my best guess on this plays out. Hopefully its helpful.
lunchbox
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One of my kids goes to a dual-credit HS associated with Lone Star College so they do a lot of online stuff (Canvas, etc) anyway.

My other kid is attending K-12, which is the online homeschool program ran out of Huntsville ISD. Other ISDs have their own programs. I am assuming/hoping that they will get back up and running soon.
Belton Ag
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Both of our kids in Bryan ISD use Google Classroom. We're able to access and make our kids go through the process, but I'd estimate that we're among a very small percentage here in Bryan that are both able and willing to have our kids learn on-line.

Our oldest is enrolled in the STEM program and a large part of the curriculum is lab based, that's another thing I can't see that's feasible on-line.
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Keep in mind when you talk about some kids not having the ability/resources for distance learning, there's going to be a good many that won't have parents that are willing/able to supervise their learning.
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Lousiana cancelled school through Easter
HISD is already cancelled through the end of March
Cancelling through Easter seems possible
3rd Generation Ag
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Canvas works well from a smart phone. I teach at an urban high school with lower middle class kids. 99 percnt of them have newer and nicer smart phones than I have with zero data issues. Many of them actually type faster on their phones than on the chromebooks the schools provide. While we are NOT one to one, there are still chrome carts in every core subject classroom. If I were an adminsitrator, I would allow those to be checked out to individual students who claim not to have home technology. I would also think that large districts would have the negoitating ability to get some sort of wifi access for students who do not have it through their phones. At the high school level that might be less than one percent. About thirty kids at my school For younger students the ratio not has high, but my daughter taught for 20 years at Arlington's lowest income elementary, and she said by age 10 over half the kids had smart phones. My prek grandaughter said some of the kids in her class in grand prarie have phones. Parents and grandparents said dream on baby. But she does have a Kindle Fire that would be good enought I would think for school.
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CDC released updated recommendation for schools to close for 8-20 weeks.

Out of the box thinking : half day shifts for lower primary with less kids per class?

I realize that isn't the recommendation for social distance, but idk how these kids won't be a half year behind if school is just done.
3rd Generation Ag
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If everyone is behind it does not matter that much. You simply start the next year where they left off. You have to reteach a ton at the elementary level anyway.

We just got word to check our school email. Arltingon will be making some decisions in the next couple of days.
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Talked to the teenager who attends Westwood in Austin. Her teachers said that they are prepared to go through google classroom. The district is planning on issuing laptops to the kids on the east side of the district who may not have access to a computer.

This sucks for seniors.
FireAg
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Shut down schools for 20 weeks, and you might as well go ahead and shut down the economy now...
Proposition Joe
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Where did they update this?

I've seen some reports saying they think it would help, but I haven't seen any active recommendation of this aside from places where community spread has been confirmed.
FireAg
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Charpie said:

Talked to the teenager who attends Westwood in Austin. Her teachers said that they are prepared to go through google classroom. The district is planning on issuing laptops to the kids on the east side of the district who may not have access to a computer.

This sucks for seniors.

Holy *****..that sounds pretty definitive...
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https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/CDC-School-closures-of-8-weeks-or-more-may-be-needed-568801641.html
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We will know more in the next few days, but we did receive word any teacher who wanted to pick up a few personal items could be scheduled for a small window of time to come in the building Monday. (Sounds like just a few min) No helpers or family allowed. We will begin online learning soon.
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3rd Generation Ag said:

Canvas works well from a smart phone. I teach at an urban high school with lower middle class kids. 99 percnt of them have newer and nicer smart phones than I have with zero data issues. Many of them actually type faster on their phones than on the chromebooks the schools provide. While we are NOT one to one, there are still chrome carts in every core subject classroom. If I were an adminsitrator, I would allow those to be checked out to individual students who claim not to have home technology. I would also think that large districts would have the negoitating ability to get some sort of wifi access for students who do not have it through their phones. At the high school level that might be less than one percent. About thirty kids at my school For younger students the ratio not has high, but my daughter taught for 20 years at Arlington's lowest income elementary, and she said by age 10 over half the kids had smart phones. My prek grandaughter said some of the kids in her class in grand prarie have phones. Parents and grandparents said dream on baby. But she does have a Kindle Fire that would be good enought I would think for school.
I teach in a similar high school and while I agree that many kids have smart phones and data, its that 1% that concerns me. I'm sure we could find a work around, but I just don't see it as being as simple as flipping a switch and now we are online. Even within the school I teach at, not everyone uses canvas or google classroom. I don't even have a class set for some of my textbooks and no online access for any of the 3 subjects I teach. Overall its a pretty fragmented system IMO. And I teach in a fairly well funded larger district. I can't imagine every school has the same resources.

I think transitioning to online instruction is going to be a bear and will have to be done on a case by case basis.
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Never waste an opportunity to capitalize on a crises. Educators hate STAAR. Parents hate STAAR. The pressure will rise to the point that STAAR is cancelled this year IMO.
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Fire I know you asked the original question and it's the question we are all trying to figure out. I'm a Board Trustee for our local ISD and we are taking a cautious approach. Currently we have suspended school and all school related activities through next week, after coming off Spring Break this week. Gov Abbott at this time has given the local district the autonomy to make local decisions. Our district is collaborating with our neighboring districts and local Health Department for guidance. We are making decisions in conjunction with our neighbors and not in a vacuum. It's so fluid at the moment that you don't want to make an irrational decision, while at the same time being very prudent in your decision making.

One of the issues we have in our local area is that we are a huge medical community and many of our families are involved in the medical community. Providers, nurses, staff, pharmacists, etc. and many of these families have both of the spouses working in the medical sector. If we have no school for an extended period of time then we leave these families with big decisions on how to care for their kids, in which case you will see some of our medical workers staying home with their kids putting an even larger strain on the health care system. We were asked by our local medical communities to take this into consideration when making our decisions because it will put a huge strain on these families from that standpoint.

There are no easy answers or solutions. I prefer the route we are taking of let's take it a week at a time and reevaluate the situation as we move forward. The next 2-3 weeks will tell us a lot of what will happen moving forward for our ISD's.

Some schools are set up to go to an online platform, but most are not. The fact is there are a lot of families who do not have access to WiFi/internet service in their homes or have a device for online class, especially in your more rural communities.
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I was chatting with a friend's wife (school administrator in Spring Branch ISD) and her friend (teacher) yesterday at a crawfish boil - they've been on twice daily phone calls with area ISD's and the CDC about how to coordinate. They did not have an idea how long this is supposed to go on and reported the phone calls are largely repeating the same information. Without going into details it sounded like there was a late-breaking reversal by HISD on closing that caught area ISD's off guard, so it's entirely possible there's not a reliable answer at this point.

I think it can be safely assumed the duration of closures will be made on a case by case basis by region until there's a central directive from the state (if that ever happens). At this point I would wager at least through March 31 is a safe bet, with a strong likelihood (better than 50%) that April and May will follow in the next 10 to 14 days. Big asterisk -- that is merely my speculation.
Charpie
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Your last paragraph is spot on. Our high school area is blessed, but parts of the district aren't. I don't know how going online only is gonna work for them
TXTransplant
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I mentioned this option to my 9th grader, and his immediate reaction was that his teachers wouldn't be able to manage it. Several of them already struggle with Google classroom assignments and online grade reporting. He's had to show one of his teachers how to access assignments that kids submit online.
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I posted this on the Houston board, and I think it is relevant here:

I went last fall to a k-12 conference about technology in education, and most school districts are still caught up with the idea that every student needs a teacher trying to differentiate instruction for 28 kids with different educational needs. Technology could help k-12 education on a bunch of levels, not just emergencies like this, but I don't think there are any districts in Texas really ready to offer classes online at this scale.

Also, parents and community groups in economically disadvantaged areas will scream that their kids don't have access to the technology they need to work from home.
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BBRex said:

I posted this on the Houston board, and I think it is relevant here:

I went last fall to a k-12 conference about technology in education, and most school districts are still caught up with the idea that every student needs a teacher trying to differentiate instruction for 28 kids with different educational needs. Technology could help k-12 education on a bunch of levels, not just emergencies like this, but I don't think there are any districts in Texas really ready to offer classes online at this scale.

Also, parents and community groups in economically disadvantaged areas will scream that their kids don't have access to the technology they need to work from home.
As I said above K12 is 100% online and run by Huntsville ISD - those who are socioeconomically disadvantaged have their laptop, printer, etc. provided by the program. It IS possible...but you would have to convince everyone of it first.
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Fitch said:

I was chatting with a friend's wife (school administrator in Spring Branch ISD) and her friend (teacher) yesterday at a crawfish boil - they've been on twice daily phone calls with area ISD's and the CDC about how to coordinate. They did not have an idea how long this is supposed to go on and reported the phone calls are largely repeating the same information. Without going into details it sounded like there was a late-breaking reversal by HISD on closing that caught area ISD's off guard, so it's entirely possible there's not a reliable answer at this point.

I think it can be safely assumed the duration of closures will be made on a case by case basis by region until there's a central directive from the state (if that ever happens). At this point I would wager at least through March 31 is a safe bet, with a strong likelihood (better than 50%) that April and May will follow in the next 10 to 14 days. Big asterisk -- that is merely my speculation.


Am I the only one that finds irony in people discussing the need to close schools (for social distancing purposes) at a crawfish boil?
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