Why did it take the USA so long to have tests available?

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Some answers here. This is about as efficient/swift as I expect the federal government to be (which is to say not very):

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January 31: HHS Secretary Alex Azar declared a public health emergency, which initiated a new requirementlabs that wanted to conduct their own coronavirus tests must first obtain an emergency use authorization (EUA) from the FDA. According to reporting from Reuters, the emergency declaration made it more difficult to expand testing outside the CDC:
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That's because the declaration required diagnostic tests developed by individual labs, such as those at hospitals or universities, to undergo greater scrutiny than in non-emergenciespresumably because the stakes are higher.
"Paradoxically, it increased regulations on diagnostics while it created an easier pathway for vaccines and antivirals," said Dr. Amesh Adalja, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins University Center for Health Security. "There was a real foul-up with diagnostic tests that has exposed a flaw in the United States' pandemic response plan."
This was the moment when the wheels came off the bus. Keith Jerome, the lab director at the University of Washington Virology Lab in Seattle, told The New Yorker how perverse this heightened standard was from a public health perspective:
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From the point of view of the academic labs, we look at it, like, when there's any run-of-the-mill virus that people are used to, they trust us to make a test. But when there's a big emergency and we feel like we should really do something, it gets hard. It's a little frustrating. We've got a lot of scientists and doctors and laboratory personnel who are incredibly good at making assays. What we're not so good at is figuring out all the forms and working with the bureaucracy of the federal government.
EUAs were intended to speed up the normal authorization process. But in this case, labs that were already conducting their own coronavirus tests needed to cease operations until they were granted an EUA. By declaring a public health emergency and not waiving EUA requirements, the FDA was actually slowing down the testing process.
Obtaining an EUA is no quick task. The FDA requires new protocols to be validated by testing at least five known positive samples from a patient or a copy of the virus genome. Most hospital labs have not even seen coronavirus cases yet. An article in GQmagazine detailed how Alex Greninger, an assistant director of the clinical virology laboratories at the University of Washington Medical Center, was forced to navigate a regulatory morass:
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After emailing his application to the FDA, Greninger discovered that it was incomplete. It turned out that in addition to electronically filing it, he also had to print it out and mail a physical copy along with a copy burned onto a CD or saved to a thumb drive. That package had to be shipped off to FDA headquarters in Maryland. It was a strange and onerous requirement in 2020, but Greninger complied. He had no choice. On February 20, he overnighted the hard copies of his application to the FDA.
But submitting the physical application wasn't the end of the process. Before granting the EUA, the FDA wanted Greninger to run his testing protocol against the MERS and SARS viruses:
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Greninger complied. He called the CDC to inquire about getting some genetic material from a sample of SARS. The CDC, Greninger says, politely turned him down: the genetic material of the extremely contagious and deadly SARS virus was highly restricted.
"That's when I thought, 'Huh, maybe the FDA and the CDC haven't talked about this at all,'" Greninger told me. "I realized, Oh, wow, this is going to take a while, it's going to take several weeks."
February 3: The FDA hosted a previously scheduled all-day conference at its headquarters with regulators, researchers, and industry leaders to "discuss the general process for putting diagnostic tests cleared under emergencies on the path to permanent approval by the FDA," according to reporting by Reuters. "Though coronavirus was now the hottest topic in global medicine, a broadcast of the meeting conveyed little sense of urgency about the epidemic sweeping the globe" and the virus was only mentioned "in passing."
February 4: The FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the CDC's test to be used at any CDC-qualified lab. Prior to issuing the CDC an EUA, all tests had been collected in the field and then shipped to CDC headquarters in Atlanta for analysis. During this time period, the CDC was able to run only about 500 tests (12 of which came back positive). To implement nationwide testing, the CDC would need to distribute its testing kits to partner labs across the country.
In a declared emergency, the FDA has broad discretion about which laboratory-developed tests will be permitted to be used. By only issuing a single EUA to the CDC, the FDA put all its eggs in one basket. Alan Wells, the medical director for the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's clinical laboratories, told the Wall Street Journal: "We had considered developing a test but had been in communication with the CDC and FDA and had been told that the federal and state authorities would be able to handle everything."
February 5: The CDC began shipping test kits to about 100 state, city, and county public-health laboratories across the country, which would have allowed 50,000 patients to be tested. However, most of the partner labs ran into problems during the validation stage (which is necessary to ensure the tests were functioning properly), according to a ProPublica investigation:
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The [CDC] shunned the World Health Organization test guidelines used by other countries and set out to create a more complicated test of its own that could identify a range of similar viruses. But when it was sent to labs across the country in the first week of February, it didn't work as expected. The CDC test correctly identified COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus. But in all but a handful of state labs, it falsely flagged the presence of the other viruses in harmless samples.
The specific cause of these problems is still under investigation, but the initial findings suggest there were problems with one or more of the reagents used in the CDC testing kits. The CDC paused testing at its partner labs and resumed exclusive and very limited testing at its Atlanta headquarters.
February 10: The CDC notified the FDA about the reagent problems in the testing kits it had shipped to its partner labs. By not allowing private companies or public labs to use their own tests, the FDA had created a single point of failure and ultimately delayed large-scale testing by weeks. Keith Jerome, the lab director at the University of Washington, explained to The New Yorker why the FDA's plan was vulnerable from the outset:
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The FDA's exclusive authorization to the CDC to conduct COVID-19 tests ended up creating "what you'd think of as an agriculture monoculture. If something went wrong, it was going to shut everything down, and that's what happened." Jerome said that his lab has taken its own steps to mitigate this problem. "We've built three completely independent testing pathways in our laboratory, so that if there's a shortage of a reagent or a bit of plastic, we have other ways to do the testing."
February 21: Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD) at the CDC, told journalists that the issues with the reagents were still not resolved.
February 24: An association of more than 100 state and local health laboratories sent a letter to the FDA commissioner asking for "enforcement discretion" to use their own lab-developed tests. The chief executive of the association that sent the letter called it a "Hail Mary" pass and an act of desperation. The FDA directed the labs to submit an EUA application instead.
Between mid-January and February 28, the CDC produced more than 160,000 tests but used fewer than 4,000.
February 29: Facing a backlash to its rollout of testing, the FDA reversed its position and removed the requirement that advanced laboratories obtain prior emergency use authorization before using their own tests. At the time, this exemption applied only to "laboratories that are certified to perform high-complexity testing consistent with requirements under Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments." One researcher estimated 5,000 virology labs in the country met this standard. For context, U.S. testing capacity includes approximately 260,000 laboratory entities.
March 3: Vice President Pence announced the CDC was lifting all federal restrictions on who can be tested for COVID-19: "Any American can be tested, no restrictions, subject to doctor's orders." Previously, testing was limited to only those who were exhibiting symptoms and had recently traveled to China or had been exposed to a known case. However, the supply of tests in particular regions would continue to be the most common binding constraint.
March 12: The FDA issued an EUA to Roche. Paul Brown, the head of Roche's Molecular Solutions division, told The New Yorker, that "the company had been working on a test since February 1st" and that "the new tests, which are mostly automated, can make it possible for large testing companies such as Quest and LabCorp to test for COVID-19." The CDC and state and local public health labs have been running tests manually. Reaching the scale of millions of tests will require automated tests on high throughput machines at large testing companies.
March 13: President Trump declared a national emergency. The FDA issued an EUA to Thermo Fisher.
March 15: HHS Secretary Azar waived sanctions and penalties against any covered hospital that does not comply with various provisions of the HIPAA Privacy Rulerelated to patient privacy and consent, including the need "to obtain a patient's agreement to speak with family members or friends involved in the patient's care." Previously, HIPAA privacy provisions and the Common Rule were holding up testing and the dissemination of information. According to an article in the New York Times, these kinds of requirements prevented labs from conducting coronavirus tests on samples collected for research purposes:
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Federal and state officials said the flu study could not be repurposed because it did not have explicit permission from research subjects; the labs were also not certified for clinical work. While acknowledging the ethical questions, Dr. Chu and others argued there should be more flexibility in an emergency during which so many lives could be lost. On Monday night, state regulators told them to stop testing altogether.
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On a phone call the day after the C.D.C. and F.D.A. had told Dr. Chu to stop, officials relented, but only partially, the researchers recalled. They would allow the study's laboratories to test cases and report the results only in future samples. They would need to use a new consent form that explicitly mentioned that results of the coronavirus tests might be shared with the local health department.
They were not to test the thousands of samples that had already been collected.
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This is about as efficient/swift as I expect the federal government to be (which is to say not very):
Eh. There are numerous other elements of the federal government that absolutely are dynamic.

This appears to have been a perfect storm of:

(1) A questionable/problematic legal framework.
(2) Unclear leadership at a few different levels.
(3) Cultural priorities that did not fit the circumstances.

All 3 are responsible for the lack of dynamism.

They'll be a lot to unpack when the dust settles.
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Regardless of who caused it, lack of US testing has undoubtedly increased the spread. Just imagine if anyone who wanted a test could have received a test, even if only since March 1st.

Particularly when you have people out there that are potentially asymptomatic yet contagious like Sen. Rand.

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also people were saying europe had test so much faster than the US. Well turns out their tests sucked and gave false positives/negatives about 50% of the time.

Again people need to realize these literally had to be invented. There were not warehouses full of these things.
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SUag said:

Regardless of who caused it, lack of US testing has undoubtedly increased the spread. Just imagine if anyone who wanted a test could have received a test, even if only since March 1st.

Particularly when you have people out there that are potentially asymptomatic yet contagious like Sen. Rand.


100% agree.

Example.

My dad has it according to his doctor. But because he is not clinical they will not test him. They said they have to keep the tests for people that are clinical. That makes sense under the circumstances.

But.

He spent all week last week with my BIL, and had direct contact with a person in Louisiana who is now deceased. But my BIL did not go to that dinner. Other than that they were together, including driving all the way back to their homes West of Austin from NO. And were together the day he turned ill.

My BIL works is a warehouse manager and handles thousands of boxes a week delivered right to your door. He is still at work and not under quarantine because my dad never got an actual test.



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SUag said:

Regardless of who caused it, lack of US testing has undoubtedly increased the spread. Just imagine if anyone who wanted a test could have received a test, even if only since March 1st.

Particularly when you have people out there that are potentially asymptomatic yet contagious like Sen. Rand.




I doubt we will even be to the point of tests being available for all by May 1st
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SUag said:

Regardless of who caused it, lack of US testing has undoubtedly increased the spread. Just imagine if anyone who wanted a test could have received a test, even if only since March 1st.

Particularly when you have people out there that are potentially asymptomatic yet contagious like Sen. Rand.


Just imagine if this virus didnt exist..

Reality is this is a NEW virus that testing for had to be INVENTED. Didnt help either that China was DELETING ALL THEIR DATA on this virus. Then on top of that you have to ramp up manufacturing. Which 90% of is in China..

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Reality is this is a NEW virus that testing for had to be INVENTED. Didnt help either that China was DELETING ALL THEIR DATA on this virus. Then on top of that you have to ramp up manufacturing. Which 90% of is in China..
Those are different issues to the extent any of that is true.

There absolutely were laws, regulations, policies and decisions made (and not made) that stalled efforts to address other issues.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

SUag said:

Regardless of who caused it, lack of US testing has undoubtedly increased the spread. Just imagine if anyone who wanted a test could have received a test, even if only since March 1st.

Particularly when you have people out there that are potentially asymptomatic yet contagious like Sen. Rand.


Just imagine if this virus didnt exist..

Reality is this is a NEW virus that testing for had to be INVENTED. Didnt help either that China was DELETING ALL THEIR DATA on this virus. Then on top of that you have to ramp up manufacturing. Which 90% of is in China..




China deleted all their data? Do you have a link for that assertion?
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agsalaska said:

SUag said:

Regardless of who caused it, lack of US testing has undoubtedly increased the spread. Just imagine if anyone who wanted a test could have received a test, even if only since March 1st.

Particularly when you have people out there that are potentially asymptomatic yet contagious like Sen. Rand.


100% agree.

Example.

My dad has it according to his doctor. But because he is not clinical they will not test him. They said they have to keep the tests for people that are clinical. That makes sense under the circumstances.

But.

He spent all week last week with my BIL, and had direct contact with a person in Louisiana who is now deceased. But my BIL did not go to that dinner. Other than that they were together, including driving all the way back to their homes West of Austin from NO. And were together the day he turned ill.

My BIL works is a warehouse manager and handles thousands of boxes a week delivered right to your door. He is still at work and not under quarantine because my dad never got an actual test.
First, I think the lack of testing availability is a huge issue.

But this is a separate issue. If someone came in contact with someone or had symptoms they should self isolate. No offense, but I highly doubt a positive test would've kept your dad from doing all this if his doctor telling him he had it didn't.

I had a stomach virus with a fever and some congestion from allergies a couple weeks ago. I never got tested, I'm 90+% sure I didn't have it, i still self quarantined. Stayed self quarantined for 7 days after my last symptoms. This isn't rocket science.
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Yukon Cornelius said:

also people were saying europe had test so much faster than the US. Well turns out their tests sucked and gave false positives/negatives about 50% of the time.

Again people need to realize these literally had to be invented. There were not warehouses full of these things.
This is false. It was the Chinese C19 test specifically that provided false positives. These tests aren't very difficult tests to create, they're PCR based. You could have a test created and validated in a few days, starting mass production by the end of the week and ramped up the next week.
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I am deeply troubled that the CDC knew about a mystery pneumonia in Wuhan no later than December 31st, knew we had a US case on January 15th 20th, knew we had a US death on January 20th, and didn't start working on a test until January 31st. A test should have already been out in the community by January 31st. Not only did they wait too long, the test they developed didn't work.

If they weren't developing tests, I wonder what else they weren't doing. Were they advising hospitals to report mystery pneumonia? Were they tracking travelers from Wuhan? If you don't have a test, you need to be aggressively tracking the potentially infected (at minimum those that traveled from Wuhan after December 1st). Was that happening in mid-February?

The CDC is the world leader in pandemic management. Literally every country on earth uses the CDC manual. Why we didn't is a question that needs to be answered when this is over.
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I want to know who made the decision to reject kits from WHO and why they did so, especially when we didn't have any ready yet.

- turns out we didn't. it's BS - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-tests-who.html
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Thomas Ford 91 said:

I am deeply troubled that the CDC knew about a mystery pneumonia in Wuhan no later than December 31st, knew we had a US case on January 15th, knew we had a US death on January 20th, and didn't start working on a test until January 31st. A test should have already been out in the community by January 31st. Not only did they wait too long, the test they developed didn't work.

If they weren't developing tests, I wonder what else they weren't doing. Were they advising hospitals to report mystery pneumonia? Were they tracking travelers from Wuhan? If you don't have a test, you need to be aggressively tracking the potentially infected (at minimum those that traveled from Wuhan after December 1st). Was that happening in mid-February?

The CDC is the world leader in pandemic management. Literally every country on earth uses the CDC manual. Why we didn't is a question that needs to be answered when this is over.
The first US case was on Jan 20, and the first death was on Feb. 29th. The rest of this seems conspiracy driven and trash.
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After emailing his application to the FDA, Greninger discovered that it was incomplete. It turned out that in addition to electronically filing it, he also had to print it out and mail a physical copy along with a copy burned onto a CD or saved to a thumb drive. That package had to be shipped off to FDA headquarters in Maryland. It was a strange and onerous requirement in 2020, but Greninger complied. He had no choice. On February 20, he overnighted the hard copies of his application to the FDA.
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Thomas Ford 91 said:

I am deeply troubled that the CDC knew about a mystery pneumonia in Wuhan no later than December 31st, knew we had a US case on January 15th, knew we had a US death on January 20th, and didn't start working on a test until January 31st. A test should have already been out in the community by January 31st. Not only did they wait too long, the test they developed didn't work.

If they weren't developing tests, I wonder what else they weren't doing. Were they advising hospitals to report mystery pneumonia? Were they tracking travelers from Wuhan? If you don't have a test, you need to be aggressively tracking the potentially infected (at minimum those that traveled from Wuhan after December 1st). Was that happening in mid-February?

The CDC is the world leader in pandemic management. Literally every country on earth uses the CDC manual. Why we didn't is a question that needs to be answered when this is over.

You know the answer....

What is the accountability structure of the CDC?
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TelcoAg said:

I want to know who made the decision to reject kits from WHO and why they did so, especially when we didn't have any ready yet.
This is a better question. The only response I've heard from an administration official is that it wasn't FDA approved. Although true, but there's regulatory standards to harmonize across regulatory bodies (International Council for Harmonisation) so filing for approval, especially under emergency conditions, would have been an easy procedure. Basically, the FDA just needs some kind of documentation of the logic behind why they used the test to detect something. Edit to add: someone decided to skip approval of the WHO test.
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TelcoAg said:

I want to know who made the decision to reject kits from WHO and why they did so, especially when we didn't have any ready yet.
The WHO kits had a high rate of false negatives. You had pass a series (3) before you were cleared. In the meantime, you were self quarantining.

In other words, it didn't change the decision tree. Whether you were sick or not, you were self quarantining. Yes, it affected tracking, but it would have also induced panic sooner.
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TelcoAg said:

I want to know who made the decision to reject kits from WHO and why they did so, especially when we didn't have any ready yet.
It was discussed last week in one of the press conferences.

The WHO test kits were only 40-50% accurate. Their tests were garbage.

May as well flip a coin at that point.

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From an interview I heard with the someone from the WHO the other day, the US was never offered test kits. The WHO only offers test kits to developing countries. It is expected for a country with as much power as the US, that we can make our own.
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TelcoAg said:

I want to know who made the decision to reject kits from WHO and why they did so, especially when we didn't have any ready yet.
It was discussed last week in one of the press conferences.

The WHO test kits were only 40-50% accurate. Their tests were garbage.

May as well flip a coin at that point.


I don't believe this is true. The original tests created by China were very inaccurate, but the tests used by the WHO are deemed to be extremely accurate.
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Why did it take the USA so long to have tests available?
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/biden-trump-wrong-about-who-coronavirus-tests/

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  • Former Vice President Joe Biden falsely claimed that the WHO "offered the testing kits that they have available" but "we refused them." The U.S. did not actively turn down testing kits from the WHO, although it could have requested them. The kits, however, are primarily intended for lower income nations without testing capacity.
  • President Donald Trump also falsely claimed that the WHO test "was a bad test." The test is highly accurate and has performed well.



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AustinAg2K said:

From an interview I heard with the someone from the WHO the other day, the US was never offered test kits. The WHO only offers test kits to developing countries. It is expected for a country with as much power as the US, that we can make our own.
That's really interesting. If you had a source for that, I'd appreciate it.
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Regardless of the answer, let this be a big lesson for anyone advocating for Medicare for all. Government run anything doesn't work
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Oh, man, it's all BS. Both that it was bad and that we rejected it. Good lord the information flying around is ****

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-tests-who.html
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A spokeswoman for the W.H.O. said she did not know what Dr. Birx was referring to, but the agency had been supplying kits to member nations since January.

The accuracy of the test was validated by three laboratories before it was rolled out, the spokeswoman said, and it had consistently showed "good performance in laboratory and clinical use, and neither a significant number of false positive nor false negative results have been reported."

In any case, Mr. Biden's assertion that the Trump administration refused tests offered by the W.H.O. appears to be wrong. The W.H.O. does not sell tests to wealthy countries, which usually prefer to make their own.

Dr. Anne Schuchat, deputy principal director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, confirmed that the W.H.O. gave test kits "primarily to underresourced countries." Another administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed that the W.H.O. had never offered to sell or give tests to the United States.

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BallerStaf2003 said:

Regardless of the answer, let this be a big lesson for anyone advocating for Medicare for all. Government run anything doesn't work
Let's keep the fun stuff for forum 16. Oh and hey man, glad you're not dead.
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Pelayo said:

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Why did it take the USA so long to have tests available?
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In some regards this is true, an interview with from NPR All Things Considered (Edit: NPR's Fresh Air):


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In the case of Alex Azar, he did go to the president in January. He did push past resistance from the president's political aides to warn the president the new coronavirus could be a major problem. There were aides around Trump - Kellyanne Conway had some skepticism at times that this was something that needed to be a presidential priority.

But at the same time, Secretary Azar has not always given the president the worst-case scenario of what could happen.My understanding is he did not push to do aggressive additional testing in recent weeks, and that's partly because more testing might have led to more cases being discovered of coronavirus outbreak, and the president had made clear - the lower the numbers on coronavirus, the better for the president, the better for his potential reelection this fall.
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I really hope that with as much of a cluster the testing issue is, we don't lose site of all the other areas where we were woefully under-prepared. Masks, vents, and (it would seem) distribution planning and training. There are major structural flaws in many aspects of this and we'd better make it a priority to care about this stuff going forward. Lord knows I didn't
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BallerStaf2003 said:

Regardless of the answer, let this be a big lesson for anyone advocating for Medicare for all. Government run anything doesn't work


South Korea has a government. In fact, they have a government that runs a universal single payer healthcare system. They're the poster child of good response to Coronavirus.

I'm not a Medicare for all supporter, but this is an intellectually dishonest argument.
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All I can determine from this discussion is that I don't know who to believe about anything regarding COVID-19.
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TelcoAg said:

I really hope that with as much of a cluster the testing issue is, we don't lose site of all the other areas where we were woefully under-prepared. Masks, vents, and (it would seem) distribution planning and training. There are major structural flaws in many aspects of this and we'd better make it a priority to care about this stuff going forward. Lord knows I didn't
Agree, though think we were set up for more of an Ebola like disease where its aggressiveness also makes it easier to contain. I remember being on vacation in Jan. reading about this disease and was alerted by it then. It reminded me of HIV in the sense that you could spread it without knowing you had it unless you tested regularly or found out in some other way like low blood cell counts.
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It's not about just a lack of testing...

ITS LACK OF A STRATEGIC PLAN

We should have had protocols in place for this. The problem is we were basically flying blind and we were inventing the protocols and procedures on the fly. Why are Asian countries like Korea doing so much better? They are faced with the reality of a biological threat out of China much more than we are. The next H1N1 getting out of China will effect them first, so they are constantly ready with their plan and steps to take action quickly. That's how they knew what to do and have faired so much better than all western countries. That doesn't excuse us. We should have had a plan in place, not just for assembling tests and masks, but to cut through all the government red tape bull**** that prevents testing centers from being established, etc. This crisis was created long ago when our government continued to cut funding for research, the CDC and didn't have much interest in SARS-like viruses. Nobody thought to practice and prepare. These are the results.
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This article answers a lot of these questions...

AP: Testing blunders crippled US response as coronavirus spread
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