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Korea, Japan, Hong King, etc. all doing better than Western "no mask" countries in cases and deaths

I've been thinking about this too. Masks seem to be helping a bit, but our surgeon general says not to wear them.

Maybe they've learnt to not touch their face (because of the masks)

Mask and gloves definitely help me remember not to touch my face, so I wear them on every food or mail run. The bonus is that if I do get an asymptomatic infection, it will lesson my chances of contributing to the spread. Just my $.02

Anybody have feedback if fishing gators would work as a mask out in public.

Pass.

Redassag94 said:

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Anybody have feedback if fishing gators would work as a mask out in public.

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I've been using my buff lately. I'll loop it in half then double it up. At the very least it's going to reduce anything coming from me. Most people steer clear of me and some have asked about where I got it.

Plus is some much more stylish than a paper mask.

jagvocate said:

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Korea, Japan, Hong King, etc. all doing better than Western "no mask" countries in cases and deaths

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CUMULATIVE # of cases.

But this is from 3/20. Japan has 2x+'d this number because they chose to only mask. South Korean kicked this thing's ass but it wasn't just masks - it was testing.

And the mask info isn't trying to tell you to not wear masks. It's telling you that you can't rely on them and must still wash hands and not touch your face.

One thing I don't get is that they say most cloth masks won't help because the virus particles are so small they'll get through them. But then they say these viruses float around in water droplets, which logic says are larger than the viruses themselves. So it seems like there is some potential benefit as long as you use relatively tight fabric cloth and wash them rigorously.

I think some of the real issue is to help reduce hoarding of masks to that the healthcare staff has as many as possible in high risk direct contact situations which I understand completely, but I still think some kind of mask would have some benefits complementary to social distancing, it's one more step distance per se.

jagvocate said:

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Japan is on the verge of exponential growth in Tokyo. Their measures only slowed it down for a little while. No country has really slowed this thing down.

aTm papi said:

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gI've been thinking about this too. Masks seem to be helping a bit, but our surgeon general says not to wear them.

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likely surgeon general prefers social distancing / isolation if he give masks the ok Then more people would be out. when things open i fully expect masks to be more of the norm for several months

The other benefit of wearing a mask is the constant reminder to not touch your face.

aTm papi said:

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I've been thinking about this too. Masks seem to be helping a bit, but our surgeon general says not to wear them.

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He says to quit buying them up.

There is nothing to keep you from having one made or making one yourself and wearing that. Which is effective in reducing the when used and sanitized properly especially if you have 100% compliance like in the czech republic.

Do an etsy search and you can find tons of hand made masks that you can buy and leave the medical ones to the doctors.

The purpose of the mask is to keep YOU from aerosolizing the virus into the air. It helps keep sick people from spreading it. The key is that we ALL have to assume we have it and we are doing it for other people and not ourselve.

But by being selfless and wearing masks we can help.

Key factors:

A) Buy a mask with a "tight weave"
B) Buy multiple preferably in white so you can wash them at the end of the day. IMO I would want 10 per person in my house so I can switch it out throughout the day. Don't wear the same one in the same location. Once you've worn it in 1 location it is now considered "contaminated" Take it off, put it in a plastic bag and grab a new one.
C) Use hot water and disinfectant when washing your masks. I would wash them in the garage before bringing them into the house. Possibly with soapy water with a touch of bleach.

From the beginning.... we were told not to buy or wear masks.

It was solely because they knew from the start that our healthcare facilities would be facing a shortage. What a damn mess... our country didn't even have a plan to address mask shortages in the event of a pandemic. Sad.

Texas Land Baron said:

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Mask and gloves definitely help me remember not to touch my face, so I wear them on every food or mail run. The bonus is that if I do get an asymptomatic infection, it will lesson my chances of contributing to the spread. Just my $.02

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Yup we have disposable gloves and some alcohol spray (I have alcohol from way before the srpead)

We spritz our gloves before taking them off to avoid cross contamination of our hands.

FaithfulAg04 said:

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From the beginning.... we were told not to buy or wear masks.

It was solely because they knew from the start that our healthcare facilities would be facing a shortage. What a damn mess... our country didn't even have a plan to address mask shortages in the event of a pandemic. Sad.

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When you consider the fact that we had a stash but it was used up by the H1N1 epidemic and the fact that Chinese were buying them up all over the world and is now re-selling them to people....


But LOTS of these countries the citizens make their own masks. That's what people keep missing out. A homemade mask is still a preventative measure.

Heck a bandana or Balaclava helps. Not because it prevents you from catching it but it keeps people from spreading it.

And that is the differentiation people need to make. It stops the aerosol. It shortens the distance which the virus travels too.


Hong Kong won't let people in their stores without a mask on right now. That helps prevent the spread.

A friend of mine is a pulmonary specialist in The Villages, FL. He has one mask and has been using the same one for a week. I am sending him a couple from my garage.

Also he told me The Villages is about to explode. Which will be a scary scenario for death rate.

Tmoneyag99 said:

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"The purpose of the mask is to keep YOU from aerosolizing the virus into the air. It helps keep sick people from spreading it. The key is that we ALL have to assume we have it and we are doing it for other people and not ourselve."

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As I've pointed out elsewhere (Quora) long ago, the masks people were discussing back when this argument magically appeared were not home made ones. They were N95 masks. They are usually very cheap. There are two kinds. Most Americans purchased the more expensive ones, which have a vent to prevent water logging due to supersaturated (cooled) expunged air. The vent means they don't absorb many water droplets during coughing. That they are for sick people is one of many extremely weak arguments from WHO, CDC, Jerome Adams, etc. For another, feel free to compute the number of masks per USA hospital health care worker.

We had a guy in our neighborhood Facebook group get a couple dozen cases from China shipped right before all this started to go wild. He posted with his own account setting n95 masks for $30 a piece. Was ripped apart by a thousand angry neighbors for profiteering - hoping they were seized.

I am interested in finding out who had a "stockpile" of 39 million masks and are now selling them at 5 times the normal cost to medical facilities.Very fishy that anyone would stockpile that many under normal circumstances. Profiteering at the expense of public welfare is despicable.

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I am interested in finding out who had a "stockpile" of 39 million masks and are now selling them at 5 times the normal cost to medical facilities.Very fishy that anyone would stockpile that many under normal circumstances. Profiteering at the expense of public welfare is despicable.

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Cornering the world supply, and price gouging during a world crisis, should be perfectly legal, according to forum 16. Because, you know, none of them have ever benefitted from government intervention....snicker.

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aggieheart said:

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I am interested in finding out who had a "stockpile" of 39 million masks and are now selling them at 5 times the normal cost to medical facilities.Very fishy that anyone would stockpile that many under normal circumstances. Profiteering at the expense of public welfare is despicable.

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Cornering the world supply, and price gouging during a world crisis, should be perfectly legal, according to forum 16. Because, you know, none of them have ever benefitted from government intervention....snicker.

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This is precisely what china did.

There was a Czech article floating around here somewhere.

Go look on Amazon.

Might have less to do with masks and more with the people of other countries actually heeding warnings. We've still got neighbors hosting dinner and pool parties. Merica!
Mandatory two week lockdown would stop this **** cold.